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Well, I know little about quantum physics, but I think they have come to the conclusion that vacuum energy or zero-point energy exists, but I could well be wrong. :)
The problem, I think, is whether there is a way to tap into that vacuum energy to do useful work or not.

I think terms like "vacuum energy or zero-point energy" are a play on the fabric of space problem. Logically, particles and EM waves cannot move through a space without occupying said space. Thus we must conclude space cannot be empty and must be seething with energy in translation. To claim otherwise makes a mockery of the conservation of mass and energy.

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I think our Bedini pulse motor experimenter was trying to show that there is a possible scientific explanation, i.e., tapping into zero-point energy, which could make a 'free energy' device at least a possibility, if someone can figure out how to tap into that source of energy in a practical way

Suppose two people discover something but don't tell anyone, is it still a discovery and science?. Which begs the question how many people it takes?. Many people seem to think that if they personally cannot see or understand something it cannot exist. Ironically, we don't understand most of the universe. Does it not exist if we don't understand it?, apparently some seem to think so.

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Yes, he said he intends to use air core coils on his large pulse motor build to allow for faster and higher amplitude flyback spikes and higher RPM's as well, I think he said. Whether that will work and be beneficial I don't know. I do recall that in one of the old Kapanadze videos Kapanadze apparently said his device only works if he uses an air core coil. Bedini, on the other hand, seemed to prefer soft iron cores on his pulse motor drive coils, or maybe that was just on his solid state bedini 'monopole' pulser circuit. Not sure.

It's cool and there are lots of people trying different things and sharing their thoughts. We can hardly judge anyone for trying. If we never try how would we learn anything new?.

I built and tested all this stuff years ago so I can help. When Bedini say's splitting the positive (I split the negative because I use electron flow notation) he is talking about a modified boost converter. Here is the coil discharge polarity and current flow for 12v batteries,
 (+)Battery A (-)>>>>(+)Inductance Coil Discharge(-)>>>>(-)Battery B(+).
As we can see when the coil discharges Battery A and the coil add in series. When the batteries are "split", (+)Batt A(-) and (-)Batt B(+), they are in equilibrium. We do this so when the coil discharges it can discharge to zero volts versus when Batt A is removed and the coil can only discharge to 12v into Batt B. This is just the most efficient way to generate impulses and little more. Bedini didn't invent this and many FE inventors were doing the same thing back around 1920.

Once we understand "splitting the (+) or (-)" is just a very efficient pulse generator we can start looking at other aspects of the circuits in question. I found 99% of people fail because they cannot follow instructions. The inventor claims they build their coils in a specific way with know materials. Then everyone proceeds to build their coils completely different with other materials. It's no wonder they fail, they cannot seem to follow simple instructions. Then the inventor claims the switching is critical and there is only a narrow band where something happens. So everyone basically slaps something together and cries foul when it doesn't work.

This comes back to my prior post...
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I like to use this example, So how many ways can we order all the 52 cards in a pack?
http://www.murderousmaths.co.uk/cardperms.htm
80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636, 856,403,766,975,289,505,440, 883,277,824,000,000,000,000
“Any time you pick up a well-shuffled deck, you are almost certainly holding an arrangement of cards that has never before existed and might not exist again.”

The odds are stacked against us and like many things if everything is not exactly correct it will not work. Imagine if computer builders and programmers just threw a bunch of shit together ad hock. This is not what professionals do and neither should we.

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This means we need to drain from the energy of our space to zpt, if there is more of it here.
Similar to how we get energy from the difference in temperatures, hot and cold.  :)

Also similar to energy from permanent magnets. Energy could be extracted from the ZPE, but not in a closed cycle. For example, with the Casimir effect, 2 very close plates will be attracted to each other because of the “depression” of the ZPF between the plates, compared to the one outside. They will be able to work. But to start again, how can they be returned to the starting position without expending the same energy as they provided? The same problem arises as with magnets. There's no more magic in quantum mechanics than there is in classical physics.  :(


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The "Bendini" guy's latest video. He shows his method of making 8 strand litz wire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn8GlIq45H0


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Oh the endless days hand winding coils and the dreaded litz wire, lol.

It got a lot easier with a 3D printer to make the coil formers and coil winders. I wound so many coils I kept wearing my fingerprints off and none of my phone and home biometric security would work. It's just hard and tedious work any way we look at it.

Will the researcher in the video succeed?. I give them odds of maybe 1%. I say this because they are trying to reverse engineer the technology backwards. No FE inventors started with electronic switching. They used mechanical switching with lots of noise and HV spikes, methodically determined what worked and was required and only then tried to replicate the effect with electronics.

For example, in a similar setup I bumped the 12v input to 300v into a storage capacitor and dumped it across mechanical switches producing spikes near 5kV. In effect, all the stuff 99% of most try to avoid because it tends to wipe out their electronics, DMM and DSO. Hence the reason why everyone avoiding the difficult stuff tends to fail. As many inventors claimed, it's in the worst case scenario everyone tries to avoid that new insights can be found. In effect, learning.

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On a whim I decided to go to ALi Express.  Lo and behold, ready made Bedinis!  Here's an example: https://tinyurl.com/3eakkd44


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I remember all this FE stuff being impossible to wrap my mind around early on. 

It's just a bunch of coils of wire, electrical components and switches. There is literally nothing we see present which could give the impression something new is happening. However it's not what we see it's what we don't see or understand.

For example, we could see a person as just another person. However a doctor might imagine all the biology under the surface, a chemist all the cells and chemical reactions and a physicist trillions of particles and fields interacting within a physical space. We can see the more expertise and understanding a person has the less they tend to generalize. In Free Energy tech generalizing is what kills progress.

This may be why many FE inventors talked like physicists. T.H.Moray is a perfect example, https://archive.org/details/moray-the-seaof-energy
"The Sea of Energy in Which the Earth Floats" by T Henry Moray was a turning point for me. My Eureka moment understanding that a layman's view will never cut it. These FE inventors were brilliant people completely obsessed with learning and understanding everything. They were not weekend warriors they lived and breathed this technology for decades. Moray worked 30 years on one of his Radiant Energy Devices. So nobody should be upset that they didn't get the results they wanted with a few experiments.

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They were not weekend warriors they lived and breathed this technology for decades. Moray worked 30 years on one of his Radiant Energy Devices. So nobody should be upset that they didn't get the results they wanted with a few experiments.

To play devils' advocate:
It would also appear as though some individuals have "happened upon" certain phenomena -
The story of Alfred Hubbard would suggest this, where purportedly at the age of 19 he discovered a way to propel a sizeable water craft (with media representation IINM)
Using his "self powered" device (with carbon steel as a core nonetheless, again, if the reports are anything to go by)

https://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
   
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To play devils' advocate:
It would also appear as though some individuals have "happened upon" certain phenomena -
The story of Alfred Hubbard would suggest this, where purportedly at the age of 19 he discovered a way to propel a sizeable water craft (with media representation IINM)
Using his "self powered" device (with carbon steel as a core nonetheless, again, if the reports are anything to go by)

Indeed, I spent a great deal of time researching and replicating Hubbard's supposed work.

As the story goes, Hubbard was working as a bus boy at a high end hotel when he met Nikola Tesla. They became friends and Tesla supposedly shared information with him. Apparently Tesla shared his work with many people who then miraculously became brilliant inventors, wink wink. As such I don't think most people "happened upon" anything.

Here's a clue why most have no idea how the Hubbard device works nor could they reproduce it. Hubbard claimed many of his first devices used an automotive distributor for switching. Do you know how a "distributor" works?. It requires HV, above 5 kV as a minimum, usually around 30 kV. So, of course, when people tried to replicate the effect using 12v and transistors they failed miserably. 99% of what's on the internet is bs meant to distract and I used archives, old news articles and the observations of others. Here it's helpful to love puzzles and problems and treat this technology as such. Don't read too much into what you think you see, do it to learn above all else and enjoy the ride.

Hubbard's story is a tragedy, he sold out to a supposed "radium company" which was a shell company used by a major American oil company to bury technology. He was forced to sign gag orders and never even paid what was owed. He then became a drug addict and wasted his life away. It always seems to be the same old sad story.

I almost fell into this same trap, however studying psychology, I was able to understand how I was being manipulated. I understand many think the following is bs but it helped me... https://dailystoic.com/9-core-stoic-beliefs/. In effect, if you value others opinions more than your own ability to learn you will fail. It's not about others it's about you.

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lets say we had 3 coils such similar to what we have seen of hubbards device.  1 large center secondary and 2 of lesser diameter.  have the large in the middle and 2 on opposite sides of the center coil, and each have their own cores.  if we apply input to 1 of the outer coils, it will induce the center coil.  being the input coil is only on one side of the center coil, most of the input flux will be cutting the center coil windings on that side of the center coil.  lets say 1v per turn for both the input coil and the center coil.  now we apply input to both outer coils.  input coil 1 induces one side of the center coil and input coil 2 induces the center coil windings on the other side of the center coil. input coil 1 and 2 have 1v per turn.  if input coil 1 induces 1v per turn on the center winding, particularly on that side of the center coil which was taking on most of coil 1 flux, and coil 2 is inducing 1v per turn on the center coil windings on the other side of the center coil, 1v + 1v should be 2v per turn on the center winding.   if it were 5 input coils,  each having their own sections of the center coil to induce, add up those induced sections.  1v per turn of each input coil inducing 1v per section of the center coil should produce 5v per turn ov the center coil.  like adding batteries in series, each section, 5 sections, of the center winding having 1v would add up to 5v per turn.  why would he have multiple individual coils around the center and not just 1?  the more outer coils we have, inducing their own sections of the center coil, the more voltage induced into the center windings.  it is not common that the more input windings we add, that the output voltage increases. ;)

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lets say we had 3 coils such similar to what we have seen of hubbards device.  1 large center secondary and 2 of lesser diameter.  have the large in the middle and 2 on opposite sides of the center coil, and each have their own cores.  if we apply input to 1 of the outer coils, it will induce the center coil.  being the input coil is only on one side of the center coil, most of the input flux will be cutting the center coil windings on that side of the center coil.  lets say 1v per turn for both the input coil and the center coil.  now we apply input to both outer coils.  input coil 1 induces one side of the center coil and input coil 2 induces the center coil windings on the other side of the center coil. input coil 1 and 2 have 1v per turn.  if input coil 1 induces 1v per turn on the center winding, particularly on that side of the center coil which was taking on most of coil 1 flux, and coil 2 is inducing 1v per turn on the center coil windings on the other side of the center coil, 1v + 1v should be 2v per turn on the center winding.   if it were 5 input coils,  each having their own sections of the center coil to induce, add up those induced sections.  1v per turn of each input coil inducing 1v per section of the center coil should produce 5v per turn ov the center coil.  like adding batteries in series, each section, 5 sections, of the center winding having 1v would add up to 5v per turn.  why would he have multiple individual coils around the center and not just 1?  the more outer coils we have, inducing their own sections of the center coil, the more voltage induced into the center windings.  it is not common that the more input windings we add, that the output voltage increases. ;)

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Mags,

You are absolutely 'right on' my friend!  It is all about charge separation in a secondary as influenced or induced by primaries.  It is a means to an OU device!

Although I have performed many of these tests on closed magnetic cores, it will be interesting to see the results of a Hubbard based device with open magnetic paths!

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dropped it off the bench and broke one of the cores.  have to cut the secondary out and wind a new core with a primary, then rewind the secondary


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dropped it off the bench and broke one of the cores.  have to cut the secondary out and wind a new core with a primary, then rewind the secondary


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It would be interesting to know the inductance measurements for the secondary and just 1 primary plus two other measurements I'll describe later when you get the assembly back together.  We can then predict the possible gain with the device utilizing my RLE technique with a pre-bias current in the device.  For those not familiar with RLE, I've attached a paper below.

The advantage to this architecture is as you stated previously, each primary E-Field influence is additive in the secondary with a commensurate reduction in the primary magnetization current.  Also not commonly known if at all, primary magnetization current can be reduced in any common transformer by reducing the core magnetic path(s).  IOW, this increases the primary inductance using the same number of turns while the permeability of the core remains the same.

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this is the model i followed. 1st pic.  the pdf i must have posted many times. nobody seemed to get into what it was telling us and references hubbard coil. 2nd pic.  the pdf names it habard, but ive seen both are the same design it seems.

3rd pic is a dual core that the sec is wound through 2 cores.  it says that shorting or loading the sec increases the primary inductance instead of lowering it, and wont kill resonance of the primary as would a typical transformer sec loading would.

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this is the model i followed. 1st pic.  the pdf i must have posted many times. nobody seemed to get into what it was telling us and references hubbard coil. 2nd pic.  the pdf names it habard, but ive seen both are the same design it seems.

3rd pic is a dual core that the sec is wound through 2 cores.  it says that shorting or loading the sec increases the primary inductance instead of lowering it, and wont kill resonance of the primary as would a typical transformer sec loading would.

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Thanks for the info.  The effect is common to ordinary transformer operation but is not properly understood IMO.  For example, in a toroid core arrangement with one primary and one secondary with equal turns, the secondary will have the same volts/turn as is applied to the primary minus a slight loss as you well know.  The loss is due to leakage flux around the core that creates a less than perfect coupling.

However, what is not realized by most, is that the volts/turn on the secondary is created by the E-Field in the primary that in turn creates charge separation only in the amount of wire that exists in the center hole between the top and bottom surfaces of the toroid core.  IOW, the remaining 3/4 of a turn is basically just a connection between the ends of this induced center wire.  This can be proven experimentally and I fully understand many here will take issue with what I'm saying!  I've attached a pix of a custom built core that utilizes 100% of the secondary.

So, in consideration of this info, most standard transformers are operating at less than optimum efficiency.  Hubbard seemed to understand this and applied it to an advantage.

I have much more to say on this subject but my youngest daughter just had major surgery early this morning so I won't have much time at the moment.

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im not really an e field that does the inducing kinda guy.  is there an e field around a stationary magnet? a magnet inducing a wire, why is the e field not showing itself when bothe mag and wire are stationary?   im a flux cutting farady kinda guy.

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im not really an e field that does the inducing kinda guy.  is there an e field around a stationary magnet? a magnet inducing a wire, why is the e field not showing itself when bothe mag and wire are stationary?   im a flux cutting farady kinda guy.

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And therein lies the paradox. Magnet induces coil through proximity, but without constant change when induced, there is no reaction, no reaction - no resistance. It's then about how to change how the coil reacts to change.
   

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my theory...

i propose electrons are not just negative particles. im thinking electrons, when we apply potential across a wire that they have a neg and pos side to them. lets say the neg side and pos side are the electrons axis. also propose that electrons are the source of the magnetic field that occurs when electrons flow through the wire with potential applied to it. im thinking the electrons magnetic field goes around the pos and neg axis. more current(electrons flowing), more electrons aligned pos and neg, more, stronger magnetic field around the wire. 

again, with a pos and a neg side to the electron, when we apply that input potential to the wire, the electrons align accordingly to the input charge potential of the wire, thus more electrons aligned, more mag field. 

similarly, when we drag a magnet pole across a wire, the electrons mag field aligns with that dragging magnet field, which would align those electrons pos and neg sides accordingly, producing potential charge on that wire.

ive thought about what we are told of the e field a lot.  something about it does not jive with me as to how it is described. i dont see any logic as to why there is no e field potential affecting a wire when a magnetic field is present, or even detected, when the mag field and wire are stationary.  so my magluvin mind worked out this 'theory'.  again, it is just a theory, but it makes more sense to me than an e field that only presents itself when a magnets field is moving, without any real explanation as to why that is.

and maybe, just maybe, my theory is why the e field appears because we have aligned the electrons as i have described, pos and neg by way of draging a magnets field of which the electrons inherent field then aligns with that dragging magnet field, there by a train of electrons in the wire aligned pos in one direction of the wire and neg in the other direction.. all of which may explain why electrons flow in one direction or the other, 90deg of the moving magnets flux.

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The Bedini guy again. This video is very interesting and somewhat inspiring:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCoEQAaqrQ


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The Bedini guy again. This video is very interesting and somewhat inspiring:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGCoEQAaqrQ
Well, so invite this guy here since he apparently has some real experimental skills ...even if the subject matter has been beaten to death already.

This should pique his interest:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2684.msg43692#msg43692

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im not really an e field that does the inducing kinda guy.  is there an e field around a stationary magnet? a magnet inducing a wire, why is the e field not showing itself when bothe mag and wire are stationary?   im a flux cutting farady kinda guy.

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I respect your position!  However, we might consider that induction via a moving PM past a coil is "basically" equivalent to a primary inducing a secondary.  Both produce an EMF in the coil or secondary.

FWIW, the transformer topology shown in the pix below produces COPs in the range of 1.2-1.3 utilizing charge separation knowledge and RLE.

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is the frequency specific to the ferrite ?

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I am unable to visualize the following without a diagram:

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From the centre to the outside in the “form” of two toroids with a gap, not really
two toroids but one, formed by the “apparent” doubling over, and re-bending
around to leave a gap for “connections” and “magnetic field regulation”.
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A capacitor is built in the form of two individually shorted coils (bifilar). These coils
form capacitor plates, not only that, form a paramagnetic core over which another
bifilar coil is wound.

For example, there are 2 ways to connect a bifilar coil.  Which one is it ?


   

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I am unable to visualize the following without a diagram:

For example, there are 2 ways to connect a bifilar coil.  Which one is it ?



Both wrong.

Each coil is shorted, start is connected to end of the same coil. They no longer have inductance, but capacitance to one another.

When this capacitance charges, the E field is between each "wire", the magnetic field is at 90º.


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