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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #325 on: 2025-03-27, 21:28:24 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-27, 19:51:48
There is one ferrite ring drossel from me. I connect it to oscilloscope. And move PM nearby. And I see voltage changes on the screen. And you say there shouldn't be anything...  Then I supply current to its winding. The oscillations from the movement of the magnet are smaller, but they still exist.
Magnet attract to ring as before.

can you show the output from the toroid with magnet passing by? if the orientation of the toroid is 90deg from what i show in the vid, then you may get small output because the magnet flux is passing across the windings on that side the pass happens similar to typical flux crossing a wire. look at my vid above.  the magnets pass by the core not cutting the windings, but with the direction of the winding.  like i said earlier there can be some slight effects but all are very negligable. this was the orientation steorn used. i still have that toroid from the vid.  ill see what i can do to show some things.  i made that vid with a small toroid on purpose just to see what we can get.  thing runs.  imagine many of those around the rotor... the key is the input is not affected by loading the rotor down.  conventional motors all draw more input when rotation is loaded and slowed down.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #326 on: 2025-03-27, 21:50:25 »

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here is a pic of the orbo with the toroid in the orientation that would induce current with the magnet pass, but, there are 2 magnets, one with say N out on top and S out below it.  by doing so there is no current generated becaus the N and S cutting the windings at the se time cancel out. 

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #327 on: 2025-03-28, 00:13:57 »

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not trying to derail the thread.  this eorbo understanding helps understand my solidstate orbo so that my idea that it might help a lot with the cap to cap paradox and maybe make this unusual circuit possibly have some value. with cap to cap we either lose 50% or only transfer capA to capB with minimal loss at best so far. but neither is really useful. but if this orbo can send capA to capB and hopefully dump a healthy charge into capC, then we have something good. then it will be about how to make it more eff.  and ya know what? its perdy damn simple.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #328 on: 2025-03-28, 07:43:32 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-27, 19:51:48
There is one ferrite ring drossel from me. I connect it to oscilloscope. And move PM nearby. And I see voltage changes on the screen. And you say there shouldn't be anything... 
Changes of a perpendicular, well aligned and symmetrical external magnetic flux will not induce any voltage but they will decrease the inductance of the toroidal inductor when the external perpendicular flux is at its maximum.

How the change of this inductance affects the CLC energy transfer efficiency is the interesting part.

Two-capacitor CLC transfer is not needed for powering this scheme.  One-capacitor CLC transfer is sufficient  (that's the classic LC tank energy sloshing but with added interruptions at zero L current crossings).

The diagram below depicts the arrangement of magnets which generates the perpendicular field configuration when each pair of magnets is oriented N-S:
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #329 on: 2025-03-28, 08:09:36 »

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Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-03-28, 00:13:57
this eorbo understanding helps understand my solidstate orbo so that my idea that it might help a lot with the cap to cap paradox
To maximize the efficiency of the Orbo scheme you must energize the inductor from a capacitor at their natural LC frequency and interrupt this oscillation after half a cycle (when the energy returns back to the cap) until the next magnet comes around.
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #330 on: 2025-03-28, 17:29:15 »

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The magnet is  attracted to the toroid with current. Only on a toroid do pronounced magnetic poles appear when current passes through its winding.
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #331 on: 2025-03-28, 19:50:46 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-28, 17:29:15
The magnet is  attracted to the toroid with current.
The way this magnet is oriented is very different than the magnets on this diagram.
Also, the toroid must be magnetically saturated in the circumferential direction in order to diminish the PM's attraction significantly.
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #332 on: 2025-03-29, 00:36:49 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-28, 17:29:15
The magnet is  attracted to the toroid with current. Only on a toroid do pronounced magnetic poles appear when current passes through its winding.

i really cant tell that what you have there is a toroid or not.  in a metal can?

verpies is correct.  my vid with the tiny core wound in a style as seen below, as i mentioned in the vid took some high energy 'pulses' and would heat up pretty good.  i did the tiny core in that vid as i thought it might be impressive.  didnt have many turns of wire on it so was low ohms. and that was just pulsing. not continuous.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #333 on: 2025-03-29, 03:51:11 »

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this is a joule thief i made with a tiny toroid core and just 3 turns for each winding just to try what one might think may not work.  push the limits of tiny. works well.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #334 on: 2025-03-29, 17:40:04 »

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If use pot core instead ring?
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #335 on: 2025-03-29, 21:24:20 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-29, 17:40:04
If use pot core instead ring?
Geometrically they are very different.
Pot cores support toroidal flux.
Toroids support circular flux.
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #336 on: 2025-03-29, 21:27:18 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-29, 17:40:04
If use pot core instead ring?

ah. ok..  that when saturated will act like an energized air core coil.  the N and S of the coil is not looped but open ended when the core is saturated.  needs to be a closed loop winding.  core could be square, rectangle possibly but round donut as ive shown would be prefered.   

but thats why yours seing magnetic piles from the coil you using.  say if we wind a toroid as i have shown above, without a core and then we input current. where would we see a defined N or S pole?   ;)

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #337 on: 2025-03-29, 21:34:59 »

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if you have some old power supplies or car amplifiers you can find some varying size cores.  the tiny ones ive found were from cfl light bulb circuits.  the ones that are like a standard screw in incandescent wire filament bulbs.  the litle round curcuit board  inside have these like in my joule thief circuit above.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #338 on: 2025-03-29, 22:03:05 »
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #339 on: 2025-03-29, 23:19:46 »

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thanks gyula

yeah, wind some fine wire on one of those little toroid cores. hang a small magnet from the core and pulse the winding.  the magnet will drop.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #340 on: 2025-03-30, 12:43:22 »

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Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-03-29, 23:19:46
hang a small magnet from the core and pulse the winding.  the magnet will drop.
Yes, I tried, the magnet drop. But only if it was holding very slightly.
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i really cant tell that what you have there is a toroid or not.  in a metal can?
I can assure you that the ring is covered with epoxy compound there. :)
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #341 on: 2025-03-30, 19:53:50 »

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Quote from: chief kolbacict on 2025-03-30, 12:43:22
Yes, I tried, the magnet drop. But only if it was holding very slightly.I can assure you that the ring is covered with epoxy compound there. :)

ok.. i see if i can make a vid. 

the cap to cap thing would require enough flux to make the magnet drop. even just a charged cap and discharge into the winding.  it may need 10v. maybe 150v or more.  but that experiment shouldnt take much time at all to just try different caps at different voltages
by no means just connect some different voltage sources to see. if the winding is low impecance, ohms, just pulse the winding as described.  just 1 pulse and drop is all you are looking for.

below are examples of what may work. not easy to find fine wire windings.  takes some time to make one.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #342 on: 2025-03-30, 20:22:10 »
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Chief,  this video shows an interesting pulse motor based on toroid core saturation at the right moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7sM3csFHM 

          here he combined the Orbo and his Thomas principle:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNcvCUG6IL4   

          on his video channel there are some more videos on his pulse motor: https://www.youtube.com/@k4zep/videos         
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #343 on: 2025-03-30, 20:33:44 »

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Quote from: gyula on 2025-03-30, 20:22:10
Chief,  this video shows an interesting pulse motor based on toroid core saturation at the right moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s7sM3csFHM 

          here he combined the Orbo and his Thomas principle:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNcvCUG6IL4   

          on his video channel there are some more videos on his pulse motor: https://www.youtube.com/@k4zep/videos         

i remember those.  thanks for finding those

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #344 on: 2025-03-30, 20:39:45 »

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 the thomas motor coil is the same as im doing.  mine lets the magnets field  escape the bead all the way around the bead to induce the pickup winding around the bead being the magnet is inside the bead lengthwise.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #345 on: 2025-03-30, 20:43:03 »

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #346 on: 2025-03-30, 20:57:15 »
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Combining this with what verpies mentioned here https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4757.msg115387#msg115387  may yield at least a unity energy balance?


Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-03-30, 20:39:45
the thomas motor coil is the same as im doing.  mine lets the magnets field  escape the bead all the way around the bead to induce the pickup winding around the bead being the magnet is inside the bead lengthwise.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #347 on: 2025-03-31, 16:35:51 »

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Buy me some coffee
Mags, If I'm reading this topic correctly. Would the trafos from a dead cfl be suitable?


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Electrostatic induction: Put a 1KV charge on 1 plate of a capacitor. What does the environment do to the 2nd  plate?
   
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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #348 on: 2025-03-31, 16:42:20 »

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hey aking
to get an orbo effect, us the toroid donut core. as for cap to cap as loel has shown, i dont think a normal transformer is the way to go, as we have seen so far.

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Re: Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!! « Reply #349 on: 2025-03-31, 17:32:51 »

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Buy me some coffee
There's a toroid next to the "transformer" !


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Electrostatic induction: Put a 1KV charge on 1 plate of a capacitor. What does the environment do to the 2nd  plate?
   
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