FE sectarianism

[F6FLT]

A short story about my misadventure.
I've just come across a forum where a DIY enthusiast had made the following set-up: 2 batteries and 2 LED lamps in series, with an inductance between the midpoints of the lamps and the midpoints of the batteries. He was surprised that the system oscillated, and that by replacing the lamps with resistors, the effect disappeared.
Thinking I had the answer, I registered on the forum specifically to reply to him. My account has been validated and I have prepared my reply:
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Hi,

You are not using pure LEDs but LED lamps. These lamps are packed with electronics, for voltage adaptation and regulation. So it's not surprising that, in an unconventional circuit, their circuitry turns into an oscillator.
Replace LED lamps with pure LED diodes or filament lamps, and the oscillation will disappear, as with resistors.
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I'm posting. I immediately got the message that my account had been banned! And why is the account banned? No reason.
I don't recall ever having set foot on this forum before, so I guess my reputation as a skeptic has spread beyond OUR borders  .
In most FE forums (fortunately here we're rather spared), truth doesn't count, the ever-critical scientific mind is rejected. The only thing that's allowed is the propensity to believe and throw away one's credo and gadget experiments to win additional followers by appearances, never by reason. I call that sectarianism.

[Allcanadian]

In most FE forums (fortunately here we're rather spared), truth doesn't count, the ever-critical scientific mind is rejected. The only thing that's allowed is the propensity to believe and throw away one's credo and gadget experiments to win additional followers by appearances, never by reason. I call that sectarianism.

I have had similar experiences and have been banned from electronics and physics forums before.

I had mentioned that I had built an electronic dowsing device which uses sensors to monitor electric field, magnetic field, hand capacitance, 3 axis gyro/acceleration and GPS. It's also accepted science that many animals are sensitive to electric and magnetic fields ie. pigeons. When I said I got some positive results right off the bat I was ridiculed, insulted and then banned. So I know how you feel...

The psychology claims most hostility to change and new ideas comes from the time and effort invested in our own perspective. People feel threatened that they may have wasted their time or been misguided hence tend to reject all change outside their perspective. It's normal and almost everyone does it across all occupations and disciplines.

AC

[gyula]

Hi F6FLT,

This is an unfortunate event happening with you. It shows that the lack of sufficient knowledge on for instance LED bulbs in this case may have caused the ban. 

IF the person banning you reads here, this is a good video on exploring the internal circuit of a 12 V LED bulb, with schematic too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Roc5TLdnw

It is possible also what you mention: your "reputation" as a sceptic has spread beyond OUR borders and they do not want your critical comments on that forum and immediately got rid of you.   

Why the person banning you did not want to discuss why his circuit oscillated may remain a mistery... 

[bistander]

Hi F6,
The forum of which you speak was created and is operated by an individual who is also a member here.

https://mooker.com/ ( Floodrod at OU.com ( Jim Mac at mooker

I often follow what's going on over there but don't even think twice about registering. I'm sure I would also be banned. He admits we speak truth and logic and protects his audience from us.

I notice that he, floodrod, often still visits this forum.
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[floodrod]

This is an unfortunate event happening with you. It shows that the lack of sufficient knowledge on for instance LED bulbs in this case may have caused the ban. 

Just to clarify for anyone who might be unsure:

The individual was not banned for disagreeing or correcting anyone's circuit. He was banned because our forum was created specifically to provide a focused space for builders—people who experiment, test, and share ideas—without the recurring pattern of negative, dismissive, or derailing behavior seen elsewhere.

This particular person has a long history across multiple forums of discouraging discussion, mocking contributors, and shutting down conversations the moment they deviate from mainstream thinking. Many solid experimenters have quietly left those forums because of that environment.

Our goal isn't to block criticism—it's to protect exploration. Constructive, respectful input is always welcome. Persistent suppression is not.

Thanks to everyone who understands the spirit of what we're building.

[F6FLT]

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This is an unfortunate event happening with you. It shows that the lack of sufficient knowledge on for instance LED bulbs in this case may have caused the ban. 
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Hi Gyula,

So the ignorance of the person running the forum would be the cause of the ban? And this person would be stupid enough not to be aware of his own ignorance - we're all ignorant to one degree or another - and that he can find out about the subject of LEDs before permanently banning an account?
If that's true, there's no hope of finding anything on this forum. But I don't think so. This is pure censorship, arbitrary, and if no justification has been provided, it is precisely because it is arbitrary, not related to what is written but to the person writing, which is the highest level of stupidity I know  in the field of thought.

[F6FLT]

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Our goal isn't to block criticism—it's to protect exploration. Constructive, respectful input is always welcome.
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This message is "do as we say, not as we do", as we have just seen from the facts.
Exploration is not protected, it is sabotaged. Deleting a constructive post is precisely what is not constructive and disrespectful.

The manager of this forum "Mooker":
- has eliminated an answer that all competent electronics people understand to be the probable cause of the noticed effect,
- has prevented a beginner in electronics from being enlightened on questions where he is most likely to fail, preventing him from progressing,
- obviously wants to keep people in the dark, unaware that there's electronics in an LED lamp, so that they can continue to propagate lies or childish beliefs about free energy and create a buzz, getting everyone excited and attracting newcomers,
- didn't even have the courage to openly state the cause of the ban.
And all because of a twisted idea he had of the person who spoke up, even though what she said was exactly on topic.

When faced with this attitude, one can only have contempt, as with all charlatans, censors and FE ayatollahs. I say this to this manager whether he's here or not. That's exactly what sectarianism is.

[gyula]

Well, the goal of that forum is clear and understandable:

"Our goal isn't to block criticism — it's to protect exploration. Constructive, respectful input is always welcome. Persistent suppression is not." 

Reading your deleted post you quoted in your very 1st post above I cannot identify in that text the act of your starting "discouraging discussion, mocking contributors,
and shutting down conversations the moment they deviate from mainstream thinking".   

So it seems preconception prevails against common sense in your case on that forum. This is unfortunate. 

Gyula

[Chet K]

If I might make a comment...
F6's reputation precedes him , this being a public forum it is viewed by any who care to visit ( usually there are
Between 20- several hundred ( or more at times) " guests " viewing .

At times F6 engages members here with poor social skills ...( yes science has no such etiquette for peer review ;(
That being said ..guests have watched long time members here ( incredible contributors ) depart forum do to
Interactions with F6..

Most of these have been sorted through back channel agreements or outright begging...( The need is great and time is short)
This thing we do is not easy, and persons willing to pick up the tools to explore the "what ifs" ... and share are priceless to this community ( Floodrod is one such example ( brutally honest with his work ..good or bad results))
He chooses to run his forum in similar fashion..
Most if not all longtime members here are also brutally honest ( very hard to do ...Feynman's quote comes to mind
about the easiest person to deceive ..
Quote
In a 1974 commencement address at the California Institute of Technology, Richard Feynman famously said, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool."
End quote.

To summarize ,
F6 might be more high maintenance for some forum administrators to allow ( even given , most times his comments ( generic comments)
Are quite "to the point"!

Honestly,
in my opinion it would not surprise me if a breakthrough came from a place where persons were experimenting in areas ( and methods) that status quo science says are not possible..

Ernie ( ION) once counseled me , that history has plenty of discoveries by persons experimenting who did not know it was impossible.. and also many important discoveries completely by accident...

Hoping for the best!
Respectfully
Chet

[unimmortal]

Well said Chet.

[floodrod]

The manager of this forum "Mooker":
- has eliminated an answer that all competent electronics people understand to be the probable cause of the noticed effect,
- has prevented a beginner in electronics from being enlightened on questions where he is most likely to fail, preventing him from progressing,
- obviously wants to keep people in the dark, unaware that there's electronics in an LED lamp, so that they can continue to propagate lies or childish beliefs about free energy and create a buzz, getting everyone excited and attracting newcomers

Dear Great Enlightener,

Thank you for sharing your insight—repeating what the original poster already explained on page 4 of the same thread.

Quote from the OP:

"Well, regarding that oscillation with those LED bulbs—since I fried one, I decided to bust it open and see what was in there. There are microchips and components. A whole circuit board inside that thing. So you probably can't get that oscillation to occur by throwing a regular load in there. I was probably wrong when I said it was doing it without switching."

The OP even included a picture of the circuitry inside.

So no—truth was not suppressed. Your comment was redundant, not revelatory. Your post was removed not because of "inconvenient truth," but because your long-established pattern of condescension and derailing behavior is not welcome in that space.

The decision stands. And from the context of this pouting episode carried out-  many can see clearly why.

[F6FLT]

@floodrod

It's funny how you blocked a post giving the solution, and then congratulate yourself on doing so rather than apologising, because the author of the device ended up finding the same solution on his own, which in no way guarantees that this way of proceeding would be the general case. Tough luck, eh, the exciting story of a self-oscillating LED didn't last long enough to make people dream, or attract fools, and create a buzz?

So the truth has been found in spite of you and in spite of your efforts to hide it. And you're not ashamed of your action? Do you continue to rant here and make personal attacks against the first to give the right solution?! Obscurantism, mistakes and conspiracy theories are so well protected from critical thinking by its moderator that they still have a bright future ahead of them on this pitiful Mooker forum.

[floodrod]

Let's get real clear: I was the original poster of the thread. I'm the one who opened the LED bulb, posted the pictures, and admitted that it was an internal circuit causing the effect—not some overunity mystery.

So the idea that I would somehow try to 'suppress the truth' about something I personally investigated, explained, and shared publicly — years ago — is just nonsense.

That wasn't suppression. That was transparency. And your comment wasn't revelation — it was a repeat on a thread that's been silent for over a year.

There is no further need for me to waste time on this. The stage is all yours!

[Chet K]

Edit: apparently I was plunking on keyboard while Flooodrod was posting

For quite some time now it has been taboo to engage in cross forum conflicts,
This is not why we are here ...

In my opinion we are all in this together ( I know our hosts feel this way too).
and I also know that Floodrod and those he inspires with his efforts ( me too)
Would share open source ..if ever they find a legitimate path to an anomalous energy gain .
The more hands in the hunt the better!

This is why we all ( various open source persons and groups)
Do what we do!

Respectfully
And with gratitude
Chet K
PS
Topic on hold until I speak with the boss