Thought we'd best start a thread on TinMan's device...or elements of it toward understanding the full device.
A story of intrigue and mystery, rumor and now the exploration of the working processes, the DOVADA should pique the interests of many here.
While the good fellow is here on this section, i'll let him say a few words about his Dad's book, the device and the progress so far if he wishes.
Here's the main thread at IAEC Forum: http://iaec.forumco.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=973&whichpage=1
A replication of the circuit shown on Page 8 of the thread is underway here....though i'm a bit stuck in the bedroom at the moment. Better weather around the corner, for soldering at the workbench.
What I wished to share today, is a little sideshoot possible discovery.
In the comments section of one video, I asked whether wireless output was seen from the pancake coil, as he had it set up. The answer was negative. Well, being as it's normally a difficult thing to actually stop a pancake coil emitting wireless energy, I decided that perhaps the LED's shown were drawing the field energies, or the low speed running prevented a wireless field.
The finding tonight, has been that indeed I can't get a wireless field when the pancake coil is bifilar connected to the 555's output. However, if I only attach 2 wires of the 3, the central outer to inner join wire and one outer wire it WILL produce a wireless field.
The low speed of approx 60kHz of the test system may well be a factor, considering that just a transistor on 1.2V will produce a larger field on my SWES at around 2MHz running speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSUGXCWIVoI
Wireless energy isn't the issue of course, the anomalous extra current over the input current is the focus of research at the moment....just that personally i'd not seen a single filar pancake coil of a few turns produce a wireless field before.
Here's the video of todays breadboard build and small pancake test coil:
Also, the solar garden light and LED experiment seen in the first pages of the IAEC thread is running in a partial fashion at the moment. My 'Forever Light' uses a small solar panel from a garden light, plus a blocking oscillator and polyacene cell to run an LED 24/7 from ambient household light. That LED is now pointing back onto the solar panel and i'm wanting to see whether the run time is extended by doing so. A regular dark room only run is of 16hrs before the LED quits.
It will be fascinating to see whether a scope reading shows a trumpet/tornado inner waveform, as TinMan shows in a couple of his videos.
Here's the 'Forever Light' video (also shows the human energy powered rocks tester): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zahv1FrK0BM
Mark
One thing that TM had said From his Dads book that struck me ,was the way we orbit or Spin around the universe.
I always had an image of Circular Orbits,nice and neat and simple,However In reality it is a spiral
of Orbits ,just as the DNA spiral .Much more Dynamic than My perception ,and much more interesting!
I will be reading that Book for sure !
I also Am getting my You Tube up and running today .
Thx
Chet
Glad to hear about your PC :)
Yes, I was similarly knocked out when seeing that corkscrew orbit in a video a short while ago. I'd tended to picture a rather static situation of always going around the sun and the sun just sat there in the middle.
Now - we are hurtling through space at an unfathomable speed, locally twisting in orbit around the sun, which itself is part of the spiral of a galaxy, which itself is hurtling through space at an unfathomable speed.
This is not a ride for those who get motion sick easily !
This is well worth looking at too: http://media.skysurvey.org/interactive360/index.html
While trundling around it just using my scroll wheel mouse, it was realised that by using the scroll wheel I could zoom in and out of areas and then it hit me - BLAM - the 'You Are Here' moment. To just look up on a clear night out in the countryside and see it.
I have no idea about the book, has it been digitized ? is it possible to read it ?
But I do have a feeling it's going to be like that 'You Are Here' moment :)
Put the sun in the middle, as a straight line through the attached pic...wheeeeeee 8)
@Slider2732
Quoteand then it hit me - BLAM - the 'You Are Here' moment. To just look up on a clear night out in the countryside and see it.
Growing up on a farm I was always well aware of my place in the universe and I always found it odd that so many people were oblivious to this fact. Many people still seem to comprehend the world as flat and dominated by people, their job, their house and such and really have no comprehension of what or where they are. I remember looking up one clear calm night and out of nowhere I felt intuitively that I was in motion because I am in motion and if you ever get this feeling your perspective will never be the same. All those stars out there are not moving we are and yet for the most part everyone is oblivious to this fact.
AC
@ Slider2732
Thanks for starting this thread.
I would first like to quote a small paragraph from my dad's book.
:When trying to describe any new approach to solving a problem or attempting to explain that there is an answer to what had never been resolved previously. You become aware of an air of disbelief. This disbelief is often confirmed by pointed questions like "if it's so simple how come no one has thought of it before?" or "Your crazy, it can't be that simple" or sometimes people just go unusually quiet. Whether they understand fully is difficult to know for sure:
!!To cut a very long, interesting and sad story short !!
David Fincher was my step father and also the owner of a company called DOVADA.
I refer to him as my dad,as that is who he was to me.
He has many patents to his name,but one of his most famous was the development of deep water comunication's for the navy (which is still used today)
Here is the link to the patent if anyone is interested-http://www.patentlens.net/patentlens/patents.html?patnums=US_4926398&language=&patnum=US_4926398&language=en&query=&stemming=&pid=p0.
Other inventions include ground penetrating radar used to find minerals deep under the earths surface.
This system is uded today by mining giant's like BHP billiton.
During the last 8 years of his life,i worked along side him and tried to get an understanding as to how he was thinking.
Most of what he was trying to explaine in reguards to mathmatic's and quantum mechanic's ,went straight over my head.
But when it came to showing these effects physically,i began to get a much better understanding as to what was happening.
The first device i remember him showing me,was this oscillating coil setup.
This was a simple circuit that set a coil oscillating. Once the oscillations started,the battery was removed.
The first time he showed me this ,i remember setting it in motion and then going to have some lunch.
Apon returning to the workshop,he placed the oscope back onto the coil to find it was still oscillating.This was about an hour after he started the oscillations.
The next 6 years was spent working out how to remove some of that power without disrupting the oscillation's.
During this time,he wrote a short book in reguards to his understandings as to how and why this could be achieved.
About two years ago,he fell ill with a lung disease.
8 months ago he lost his battle with the disease.
As i was the only son he had,he left all his equipment and the company to me.
Apon helping my mum clean out the workshop some time later,i came across this device that had (what i thought to be )3 LED's running very brightly.
1 of the 3 LED's i have since found to be a LRD.
Some will choose to believe what i say,but most will not-thats just the way it is.
But this device has no batteries,and it has continued to run for the last 7 months i have had it-and for however long it was sitting in the workshop cubboard.
The thread on my forum IAEC is my attempt at reconstructing each part of the device as best i can interpret it to be.
The led and solar pannel circuit on the thread was what i see as being a trigger part of the circuit.
The bifilar coil circuit i have recently made is what i see as an energy amplifyer-although the device dose not have a bifilar coil as such,but more of an airial/coil combination with two ground planes.
It would be easy for me just to show the device and let others try to work out how it function's,but i feel it would also be wrong of me as this was my dad's life work.
So as i am unable to solve the questions that come with this setup myself,i thought it would make for an interesting project for all that are interested in my dad's work.
If anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.
My email is sidewinder350@westnet.com.au
Brad
Thank you for expressing the history so well, Tinman, and for your kindness in extending this offer for those who want to read the book.
QuoteIf anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.
This is my understanding also -- let us all keep material posted here within our group for the time being.
Thanks AC..It took that interactive star map posted above to trigger my own inner experience of revelation. To finally 'get it' regarding our seemingly static yet ever changing place in the universe. There is no set place, it's constantly changing as we rapidly zoom through the allegedly particle devoid fabric of fresh space in front of our trajectory. To me, now and presumably many years later than the norm (lol), 'the emptiness of space' is one of the fundamental mis-placed phrases of popular science.
One phrase I like is 'stop the world I want to get on' :)
A concept which relates, is that of us being within a spark gap in an experimenters lab. We are hurtling across the gap...the Big Bang was just that, the initial firing of the one spark, within a system which fires 100 times per second. Time is our own construct, our seconds and hours only relate to the experience we are having. The electrical energy all around us, that we find, use, harness is the same energy that many other universe wide peoples may be using...all within that fired spark.
Brad - thank you for embracing the concepts of this board section and for outlining the history of a most spectacular inventive mind. I completely agree with you, David gifted his knowledge to you in a way that need not be cast out to the rabid 'gimme crowd'. An understanding is only part of the equation, belief in the device is evident and the research much more than some mythical side story that we hear from time to time.
Knowing how it works and replicating how it runs are so much more useful than blind copying.
If David hadn't wished you to take perhaps all of us forward, I believe he would have destroyed his device. He was of high reknown, he may well have seen someone within your character in the time he knew you, to know his work would be in good hands.
I'll be emailing you not to 'take' the book, but to learn from it, assist via replications and deeply study the work as a psychological understanding too.
The Forever Light carried on for over 18hrs in the little darkness test a couple of times. compared to a standard 16hr run. Nothing conclusive, but the back feed from even its weak LED to the solar panel appears to have prolonged the run as hoped :)
Shown here, still running. I'll let it rest up a bit now by putting it back in ambient daylight.
TM
An LRD ?
Is That Some Type of "current limiting device" ?[Googled it?]
It will be fun to see where the universe takes us in the coming year ...One of the biggest parts of that trip will be how we "take" each other ?
I believe the integrity of the men on these pages and the commitment to the ultimate cause is a very strong recipe for success !
Looking forward to reading the book too
Thx
Chet
Quote from: ramset on 2013.01.26, 18:21:59
TM
An LRD ?
Is That Some Type of "current limiting device" ?[Googled it?]
It will be fun to see where the universe takes us in the coming year ...One of the biggest parts of that trip will be how we "take" each other ?
I believe the integrity of the men on these pages and the commitment to the ultimate cause is a very strong recipe for success !
Looking forward to reading the book too
Thx
Chet
Sorry Chet
An LRD is a light recieving diode,or photodiode.
This is why i used a solar cell in the first part of the circuit,as i didnt have a photodiode at the time.
Brad - If there are still a few junker VHS recorders round your way, you'll likely find a couple of decent ones in those.
Or, even easier...
TV remotes have IR senders in them identical in shape to LED's, which will also receive solar and LED light well. Can run a blocking oscillator using a TV remote I/R LED in good sunlight, my Ha'Penny oscillator is set up like that to not need a solar panel :)
I have something today which hopefully adds in a decent way.
The resonant frequency of a pancake coil can potentially give us extra output, to the results seen in your setup so far.
If we match the frequency of the oscillator to that of the pancake, or the pancake to the oscillator, we'll gain a wireless output.
That wireless field can be collected and fed back to the driving source...and in fact be worked on to BE the driving source.
It's open, because there is an air gap and the way that Tesla's pancake runs you can often see a decrease in current by loading it more. Oddball but true enough, as commonly seen in folks YouTube videos where they add a panel of LED's to a Tesla tower and for extra Lumens you see a reduction in current.
So, this experiment shown in the video below, uses the DS203 scope, to produce a squarewave into the coil to be tested. The coil is the same one from the video I showed where it would produce a wireless field from the 555 oscillator. In this case, the voltage is only 2V p/p and the current is negligible, it being a digital signal.
As a background, the DS203 will output a digital squarewave (with 1%-100% duty cycle), but will output analog signals too, for sine, triangle, sawtooth. Those other wave shapes are capped at 20kHz being analog, the squarwave being digital allows it to run up to 9MHz.
The scope is running the fantastic firmware written by open source community programmer 'Gabonator', which includes the highly usable Frequency Generator and which was uploaded to it today after I struggled with the factory operating system.
(the screen protector is still in place and shows some fingerprints).
Chet has asked me to write up a review of the features of the scope..which I will in a separate post, for those interested in these little marvels.
In the vid, I show that at the coil resonant peak of 3.6MHz, the wireless energy is emitted, at lower there is nothing, higher and it drops away again.
The upshot is, if we build a tuned pancake to the otherwise most efficient band of your system running, we can collect from that wireless output. If we build an oscillator that scavenges energy, from radio, ambient light, whatever, we can drive the system at the resonant peak of the pancake coil. I have a theory that the rest of the device is going to be doing that :)
What would be handy is a frequency measurement of the actual running device...build accordingly, verify the result and along the way change parameters to ascertain how David arrived at the frequency it runs at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re2nniGx2YQ
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.01.27, 01:37:02
Brad - If there are still a few junker VHS recorders round your way, you'll likely find a couple of decent ones in those.
Or, even easier...
TV remotes have IR senders in them identical in shape to LED's, which will also receive solar and LED light well. Can run a blocking oscillator using a TV remote I/R LED in good sunlight, my Ha'Penny oscillator is set up like that to not need a solar panel :)
I have something today which hopefully adds in a decent way.
The resonant frequency of a pancake coil can potentially give us extra output, to the results seen in your setup so far.
If we match the frequency of the oscillator to that of the pancake, or the pancake to the oscillator, we'll gain a wireless output.
That wireless field can be collected and fed back to the driving source...and in fact be worked on to BE the driving source.
It's open, because there is an air gap and the way that Tesla's pancake runs you can often see a decrease in current by loading it more. Oddball but true enough, as commonly seen in folks YouTube videos where they add a panel of LED's to a Tesla tower and for extra Lumens you see a reduction in current.
So, this experiment shown in the video below, uses the DS203 scope, to produce a squarewave into the coil to be tested. The coil is the same one from the video I showed where it would produce a wireless field from the 555 oscillator. In this case, the voltage is only 2V p/p and the current is negligible, it being a digital signal.
As a background, the DS203 will output a digital squarewave (with 1%-100% duty cycle), but will output analog signals too, for sine, triangle, sawtooth. Those other wave shapes are capped at 20kHz being analog, the squarwave being digital allows it to run up to 9MHz.
The scope is running the fantastic firmware written by open source community programmer 'Gabonator', which includes the highly usable Frequency Generator and which was uploaded to it today after I struggled with the factory operating system.
(the screen protector is still in place and shows some fingerprints).
Chet has asked me to write up a review of the features of the scope..which I will in a separate post, for those interested in these little marvels.
In the vid, I show that at the coil resonant peak of 3.6MHz, the wireless energy is emitted, at lower there is nothing, higher and it drops away again.
The upshot is, if we build a tuned pancake to the otherwise most efficient band of your system running, we can collect from that wireless output. If we build an oscillator that scavenges energy, from radio, ambient light, whatever, we can drive the system at the resonant peak of the pancake coil. I have a theory that the rest of the device is going to be doing that :)
What would be handy is a frequency measurement of the actual running device...build accordingly, verify the result and along the way change parameters to ascertain how David arrived at the frequency it runs at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re2nniGx2YQ
Nice video slider.
That little scope has some great functions i see.
Dose it have an output where you could plug it into an external screen or laptop? as my eyesight isnt that good these days-to much welding throughout my life.
Now in reguards to the frequency of the DOVADA device-im not sure as my scope wont go that high.
But here is a paragraph from the book,which you have now
:Now to explain how the atomic particle processes electromagnetic energy. The atomic structure can only process magnetic energy at one frequency rate. This built in frequency rate is already known to us. It is the frequency of hydrogen 1.420 gigahertz. This known frequency has a wavelength of 21.106 centimetres or 0.21106 metres and according to modern day physical theory is associated to the alignment of the spin of both the proton and electron particles.
So at a guess i would say that may be the frequency it is running at?
But i guess that we may be able to use a square division of this frequency?
This is why i have shared the book with you guy's,and those i concider to be trustworthy-as some of it i just cant make heads or tails of.
There are some parts of the device that i just dont know what there function is,but if we dont get anywhere withing a couple of month's-then i will video the device and show it here(and only here)
Maybe we could then make some sence of what those unknown parts are.
But first i would like to see if we !! as a team !! can nut this thing out.
Brad
We'll nut it out...if only because that phrase is a new one on me and I like it :)
OK, 21.106cm, so that's microwave territory with a 1/4 wave aerial/antenna of 5.2765cm.
If you've ever built a 'Cantenna' for household wi-fi then you'll have made aerial pieces inside say a Pringles can, that are 5cm or so (2.4GHz).
Traditional cellphone type microwave transistors will run at that frequency. If it has anything like transistors in it of course.
I would guess that somewhere in the structure of the device is a piece of exactly 5.2765cm in length and, that it is part of an aerial that contains Golden Ratio or Fibonacci series sectioning. It may even be some kind of fractal antenna.
Anyway, just guesswork there.
Yep, got the book thank you :)
I can't open it yet though...am downloading Libre Office. Running quite a fresh Linux install and didn't think to download a reader before now.
One thing to bring up to the DS203 crew would be an external screen capability. I know some clever chap has created a Bluetooth dongle app for it and can control the scope with his Smartphone. So that should mean that a Bluetooth enabled PC or one of them iPads could grab snapshots at least.
Possible now are wave .bmp's and .wav files that can be saved out and analysed on a PC, over the USB connection.
Next, an exploration of the size of coil to the frequency needed. It follows the path of component matching...be that at 74kHz or 1.42GHz. Actually, I have wound some pretty small pancakes before now, hmm, gotta wonder about the inductors in the DOVADA...are they really just inductors or could they be coils that resonate at 1.42GHz ?.
In this video I show how the pancake resonant frequency is related to the size of it.
An LED is this time connected across the middle 2 wire join of the bifilar pancake and one outside wire.
Am hoping that these studies help with the exact tunings needed in the DOVADA replication builds.
Btw, MongrelShark (Joel) kindly helped with the development of the SWES a few months back and i'm delighted to see him on your forum thread about this project. He writes a little more than I do, but it's close !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWF-bDkOq9Q
I mean to say 1V per division in the video, not 1V peak to peak.
Hi Slider
Sorry about the Aussie slang-nut this out. It simply means to work out how something work's.
There is no coil that i could see operating at that frequency,but there is an upsidedown piramid looking antenna thing that is quite large in reguards to the unit as a whole.
Undernieth the antenna there is two aluminum plates that i asume work as some sort of ground plane.
These plates are at the same angle as the piramid antenna (if thats what it is)-or very close to it by looking at it.
There is also a clear blue tube that has a corse looking coil inside it,with a rod through the center of the coil.
I would say the coil is made from 1.5mm copper wire-or there about's.
Im not sure what part that plays in the system,but it has 5 wires comeing out of the end of the tube.
Anyway,one way ore the other we will get to the bottom of it.
Thanks for the info.
Nut it out is really descriptive - better than using yer noggin :)
The rough coil is perhaps a tuning setup, more so if the windings have uneven spaces or a few are bunched up...all in keeping with radio tuning by hand. Ferrite would be my guess for the rod and for it to be adjustable.
The plates shout capacitive coupling. Dr. Stiffler showed a way to use metal blocks such as PC heatsinks as a capacitance. I've got a vid of it somewhere on YouTube, by way of replication. Doesn't have to be blocks, just a lot of metal for a few pF and parallel to each other. Couple of mm gap upward to 1/2" or so for a highly variable capacitance.. By that arrangement, a capacitance and a virtual Ground would be formed (not trying to dig you into a corner, don't worry, just thinking aloud).
For reference, the attached circuit is being built at the moment.
It's on Page 8 of Brad's forum topic about the device.
This part may be tough, but I have enough wire to wind up a similar coil
"now have the circuit runnng at 74khz
The results are getting better.
Specs for the coil are
inductance-4.22 millihenrys
Resonant frequency-2.450KHz
Resistance-6.5 ohms"
Update: Wound the CD based pancake coil, a lot more like Brad's than usual coils of mine.
Thought i'd try it out as a SWES wireless setup, that would give full knowledge of no shorts etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyxuWDZNGfQ
Now on to the diodes and LED's :)
Here's a simple first run of the circuit, with LED's and diodes.
The circuit comprises a 555 timer with variable frequency output (and rate indicator LED which has no bearing on the pulse output), 2x 1N4148 diodes, 2x LED's and the pancake coil. Voltage is 9V to the 555, with near 5V pulse train of the 555 square wave output.
Not much to look at really, except the wacky scope traces. I have no idea at the moment how fast the 555 frequency generator is running.
Will set up some meters tomorrow...got 2x same ones, so an input/output current measurement will be done.
This run shows a weird fluting waveshape. The scope is across the coil, Timebase 1ms.
Sorry about the poor camera focus on the scope trace and my newbieness using it, Will have to work something out about the focus. Maybe a fresnel lens out of a rear projection TV would work...or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5MKGsHoXYE
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.01.28, 07:31:52
Here's a simple first run of the circuit, with LED's and diodes.
The circuit comprises a 555 timer with variable frequency output (and rate indicator LED which has no bearing on the pulse output), 2x 1N4148 diodes, 2x LED's and the pancake coil. Voltage is 9V to the 555, with near 5V pulse train of the 555 square wave output.
Not much to look at really, except the wacky scope traces. I have no idea at the moment how fast the 555 frequency generator is running.
Will set up some meters tomorrow...got 2x same ones, so an input/output current measurement will be done.
This run shows a weird fluting waveshape. The scope is across the coil, Timebase 1ms.
Sorry about the poor camera focus on the scope trace and my newbieness using it, Will have to work something out about the focus. Maybe a fresnel lens out of a rear projection TV would work...or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5MKGsHoXYE
Hi Slider
I think if you decrease your time devision's to say 50us you will see that it is a ring that you see on your scope.
If you have another BPC,try this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmR_Sqw7wv0
Will do...am up bright and early today to make sure my meters are ok for tests (1 may not read in the mA scales just Amps).
But also because we're apparently going to have a freak 75F day today and i'll believe it when I see it.
Ideally, there'd be a lawn chair out in the backyard, with a couple of beers at the side readied for the great occasion of a sun tan in January ;D
Got a lot of BPC's nowadays, so i'll try that with different ones. I wind up anything from wall adapter cords to co-ax cable and including old mains leads. What I hadn't done was one similar to yours on a CD, though did have one like that months ago for tests on this forum. It ended up springing into a mess some while later and was where supergluing came from that Joel (MS) seems to be a fan of. And, speaking of Joel, i'll try Grounding the negative side of the circuit in the actual ground outside today, as he suggested. JB's Patents, for example, show an actual Ground and noone puts them on SSG's or much else in OU endeavors.
In my opinion, the oscillator may not be needed in the end. The ringing effect and natural properties of the BPC will produce the AC waveform required and will match the microwave aerial frequency. Apparently there is also a 'cosmic' source around 13MHz from Dr. Stiffler's work and we have the 7.8Hz Scheumann to think about too as a natural source. Besides, we do have to make sure that stray microwave energies from man made stuff aren't powering your Dad's device (for the sceptics).
The 2nd video above, with the big yellow BPC had the situation where the square wave inputs from the scope could be attached either which way around - the connected LED still lit.
Your video of the one on top of the other shows what we can do here....to gain the wireless effects, i.e. the ability for the BPC to emit energy that can be received by another one, only the center tap and 1 output wire are needed. That gives us the other side that in that case is doing nothing at all !
Connecting a frequency timer to a BPC's full start and end wires and running at it's wireless resonant frequency, produces no wireless output. Connecting the timer to the middle and end produces wireless and leaves the other side open to energy collection. THAT side can be a backfeed around as an energy reuse or be correctly loaded with LED's etc, while also the BPC is sending energy output to a receiving coil. The receiving coil has an air gap and so is an open system, allowing that collected energy to feed back in.
If more current is truly coming out than went in then we're nearly there.
First runs:
Looks like at least 1 meter has lost its mA scale, so i've had to put them on the Amp scale.
First with no solar panel, the reading in the pic shows a 4 point less output than input ?
Second run with a small solar panel showed a 1 point increase in output to input ?
I've got the meter leads the wrong way around on the pickup meter btw, just noticed C.C
Changing the frequency up lowers the input draw (thoughts turn to 1.42GHz) The LED's show very little change no matter what the range frequency used...which is good.
I'll run the scope freq gen through it and see what happens, then can be much more exact. Will set it to the 74kHz as shown in one TinMan vid :)
Shown best in the first pic of the circuit is how I have it set up. I'll also look for a remote control to take the I/R LED out of it.
Btw, a heads up for USA readers, Dollar Tree are selling universal remotes for $1 at the moment, complete of course with I/R LED.
Moving along:
Temp has got to 73.2F - cloudy all day but a strong wind from the South...guess that'll do it, no lawn chair sunbathing possible though..
It's set the record for this day of the year, old record 72F in 2011. Very nice for running Winter experiments.
Found an I/R LED, 3 in fact on the front of a kiddie remote control. I used to buy tons of such things a couple of years back from a seconds shop.
Connected one way it's visible in the screen of the camera. Connected the other way would appear to be correct.
Amp draw of 130mA fell to 50mA just by adding that I/R LED :D
Now to tune and whatnot.
Scavenging energy:
Here I show how a pancake coil on the top of the TinMan circuit, if configured well, will increase the energy return to the circuit
(similar to the double pancake video of TinMan's with the double scope effect).
The LED comes on and the amp draw is unchanged. Although running at the wrong range on the meters, the effect of no increase in milliamp draw with correct loading is well known within Tesla tower experiments.
This circuit appears to display that effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJZPIoRv05w
Lower input voltage:
It struck me, that 9V was going in the front end. Well, we could use a 7805 regulator or similar to bring that to a better input voltage, but, we could also use another oscillator all together.
What would the circuit do at a lower voltage in any case ? would the pancake still perform well ?
I took a circuit from a normally water powered oscillator (a 1Meg resistor/0.1uF cap, tank based blocking oscillator) and used that as the pulse source...power is from a 1.2V Ni-MH.
The input meter shows zero, the output meter shows 10mA.
While not strictly keeping to the circuit dynamics, the output is shown by way of an LED on the wireless pancake coil that was shown earllier.
The LED's on the TinMan circuit don't come on, but the input is really really low.
Another, twin pancake, was found to develop more horsepower than the usual circuit one.
So that's maybe twice that the anomalous output current has been seen and i'm aiming to increase that output now, while further refining the input oscillator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_yFwo37GQM
Hi Slider
Great video's there.
I see you have put the first part and second part together--you beat me to it lol.
It is so good to see some one starting to piece it together.
As you will see on the thread at IAEC,the first part was to build what i determond to be the oscilator part of the unit.
The second part was the energy amplifyer,which we have use the BPC for.
Now you have put the first part with the second part-very cool.
Interesting about the 0ma in and around 10ma out.
I will be doing some more work on the circuit tonight.That will be to do what you have done,and pulse the coil with the first part of the circuit(the oscilator).
The solar pannel on the first part was to tune the coil,but i think that need's some refinment yet.
I am interested on your thoughts about a better BPC than the one i have.Mine maybe has to many turn's?
Any hint's on how to make a better BPC for the lower voltages we are useing?,as this was one i built years ago.
Cheers
Brad
TM
I hope the nasty floods in your country are not effecting you to badly?
?
Thx
Chet
To expand away from a purely 100% true replication, there's nothing really wrong with a bunch of solar panels and I/R LED's all soaking up what's put out. As long as they don't interfere with the visual point of this device, LED's always lit.
To think of it another way - at the moment under my worktable 13W CFL are 5 devices all running. 1x dancing flower, the Forever Light, 2x calculator panel powered LED oscillators and a solar powered pulse motor. None of which impact the light available from the lamp !
Pic attached.
There's an idea that has been brewing along for a while that's related. That of making a lamp with a 1960's look to it, those ones with the bits of pottery of different sizes and shapes stuck to the side. In my design, they would be bits of solar panels. Solar panels can be soldered at any point and work. They all run their wires into the middle of the lamp base, through a circuit and a port near the base of the lamp has a USB connector on it. While the lamp runs in a livingroom, a person can charge their cellphone or run other USB gadgets, for free.
So, what i'm saying, is that recycling without impact is what the I/R LED is doing in the DOVADA device itself. As you said, you thought there were 3 LED's glowing at first :)
The BPC needs to be tuned to a resonance of the circuit. The final oscillation speed. In this case, if it's 1.42GHz that we need, then the coil must work at 1/4 wave or full wave. 1/4 wave will give a much easier set of criteria to work with. What would be nice, is a 7.8Hz sub harmonic, but that's a by the by.
You say there are inductors on board the device ? well in which case, they will resonate at that low microwave level.
The larger the BPC, the lower the resonant frequency.
The final coil is going to be tiny ! but, so are the inductors I presume, compared to the coil you are using at the moment.
In the last video, I showed a different BPC...wound from a few lengths of old telephone/PC modem cable. It is in fact 2 pancakes one on top of the other. What that leads to thoughts of, relates to your video of the one coil on top of the other and giving the highly interesting double trombone waveform.
Each coil need only be single filar, they become bifilar when one is put on top of the other.
Now...to link with the pic attached...see the dancing flower ? Take a look at say Brads video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GArMKUSU4
He shows the coil very well. It offers a highly compact, professionally wound single filar coil of intense (and immense) power to size ratio - best thing out of China right now :)
You can see that coil on the motor that has zoomed around under my lamp for months.
Also, input energy is solar, wattage used for the whole oscillator is a little more than a flea fart !
Such toys should be available in Aus, I would imagine so. If not, they'll be only an Ebay order away i'm sure.
The Forever Light runs on ambient light, no need for the sun and runs 24/7 - all is related, all is included in thoughts of the operation of the DOVADA. No light, no problem, but any ambient standard light in any room and the abilities of output increase.
Noone thinks to put I/R LED's on devices. They mask solar panel type effects, there's no solar panel, but they receive I/R light just like a solar panel.
To verify, i'll take two of such coils (from dancing flowers bought recently) and do exactly what i'm wittering on about today... and test them :)
Hi Chet
No floods on this side of the country,infact the last flood we had here was back in 1976.
We just have heat at the moment lol.
Slider-im looking forward to your next video,and i will be on the hunt for those toy's to raid them for bit's.
I bought my wife this swinging dolphin gismo about 10 years ago(a very expensive toy),and it is still swinging away 10 years later-never replaced the battery.
Infact i dont even know what type of battery it take's,as you have to dismantle the bottom to get to it(i asume)
Brad
Maybe it never does run out, maybe your step Dad made it LOL
O0
The Dancing Flower coils:
I'll add to this post if noone else replies, but here are the findings so far.
Each coil - 420 ohms
Bifilar connected - 851 ohms
:o
It's easy to see how such useful capacitance and resistance may be utilized with these things. They're air core too - completely ideal so far for BPC's.
Attached is a pic of the removal process, from the plastic they arrive glued to. Conventional wisdom says they should be left in situ, because the wires break. But, if you carefully bend one side of the plastics down, the coil can be gently lifted free of the plastic base.
Update
The coils were tried on the system, scoped and, something struck me as obvious.
They need to be ascertained with a microwave piece of kit !
If I may ask you Brad, did your Dad have such equipment at home or a lot of familiarity with higher range RF ?
What I saw wasn't too encouraging....but i'm basing that on criteria that have been developed when testing coils of low kHz resonance.
With no coil on the system, you get bright LED's and an approximate 50% drop in mA out to mA in.
With a good coil on the system, the LED's fade somewhat and you get the magic happening with the in/out readings.
A perfect coil should then dim the LED's a fair way, but result in a large enough increase in current anomaly to brighten the LED's again in the entrapment section.
Using the twin Dancing Flower coils, nothing seems different to having no coil on the end !!! which is all highly weird, because of the combined high ohm resistance. If nothing else, it should act as though a circa 1K resistor is shorting the output.
What does it mean ? is it good or is it bad ?
No idea yet.
In some regards no difference is really good news, the energy is passively transmitted and may be amplified at the correct frequency of running. On the other hand, they may just be rubbish on the system.
Well he delt in everything you could think of in reguards to electronic's.
Im not to sure about those small coils with such a high resistance?
I asume the resonant frequency would go up in 2x ?
Eg-if the resonant frequency was say 2KHz,would the next frequency be 4KHz where it would once again resonate?-Air core of course.
Maybe the pyramid shape has something to do with it,as it would make sence that a coil shaped like that may have many different resonant frequencies.
Some sort of signal bounce may also be coming back of the ground plain plates aswell.
Maybe i will spend the time and build the pyramid coil to spec as is on the device,and see what that dose-when i get 5 minutes to myself.
You seem to be getting a bit further than me at the moment slider,as my time is very limited this time of year with the work that has to be done on the farm-on top of my normal day job.
Quote from: tinman on 2013.01.30, 15:24:20
Maybe i will spend the time and build the pyramid coil to spec as is on the device,and see what that dose-when i get 5 minutes to myself.
You seem to be getting a bit further than me at the moment slider,as my time is very limited this time of year with the work that has to be done on the farm-on top of my normal day job.
Hi Tinman, i am following along with this thread and find it very interesting, but i agree with you there to start building this special "pyramid between ground plains" shaped coil instead of using a BPC you and slider are using right now.
I suspect that the magic (if any) comes from there.
But keep your priorities right and do the important stuff (work/farm) first.
Regards Itsu
Thanks for your post Itsu, am glad you are following :)
I agree about the micro coils...perhaps their true worth is in motors, not in harvesting at their resonant frequency. I couldn't find a resonant spot with these as paired in fact, but that would be the case if it sat much higher up the frequencies ladder !
Quite confusing, but was why I wondered about the microwave equipment.
Yes, the pyramid. I have some mains type gauge copper here, though also finer gauges if I hunt around. Turns, height etc would be needed. No idea why but I picture it being of mains cable type copper.
If anything, I might conduct experiments for you while busy Brad. I'd be glad to.
Just say what and i'll build it.
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.01.31, 00:27:12
Thanks for your post Itsu, am glad you are following :)
I agree about the micro coils...perhaps their true worth is in motors, not in harvesting at their resonant frequency. I couldn't find a resonant spot with these as paired in fact, but that would be the case if it sat much higher up the frequencies ladder !
Quite confusing, but was why I wondered about the microwave equipment.
Yes, the pyramid. I have some mains type gauge copper here, though also finer gauges if I hunt around. Turns, height etc would be needed. No idea why but I picture it being of mains cable type copper.
If anything, I might conduct experiments for you while busy Brad. I'd be glad to.
Just say what and i'll build it.
Hi slider
Just to throw a spanner in the work's-the wire that the pyramid is made from seems to be magnetic?Steel.
It is covered in a thin black cloth(i think)
Steel ! hmmm 8)
Does that relate to Tesla's findings of multi metal transformers I wonder.
http://www.google.com/patents/US381970?hl=en
This sort of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNegZlHGHt0
In that video, I maybe linked 2 parts of the DOVADA without knowing, or at least was stepping into such areas unbeknown ?
1 part being the effects of a particular metal type upon the characteristics of a transformer device and the other being the capacitive link of the 2 plates that I believe you mentioned were under the pyramid.
Although I don't show the steel top windings on the video (hadn't wound them yet), the concept is there to investigate the properties of multi metal frequency interactions...more so as frequencies increase and a natural effect may take place that has been largely non investigated (to my knowledge).
The steel would resonate at a different natural frequency to copper.
Does this also relate to Ed Leedskalnin and his radio tuning circuits ? no idea.
All is maybe's and but's, but I hope to not seem oddball with that theory.
As a sidenote - could Patent 381970 apply to the Lockridge Device ? Sections of the armature producing different outputs for different needs of the generator. A small final excess in one tuned winding being present, that then is hetrodyned back into the powering coils, building up a capable output when fed through a large output capacitor.
Hi Slider
I have started building the coil.
I am going to take my time with it so as i get it exactly the same as what is on the device.
Then i will add a couple of ground planes aswell-then it's just a matter of trying different thing's to see what happens.
O0
Y'know those ground planes...does anything happen when 1 of them is actually grounded to an outside ground ?
Though, we wouldn't want to mess with it and have it quit with no restart !
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.02.02, 07:23:44
O0
Y'know those ground planes...does anything happen when 1 of them is actually grounded to an outside ground ?
Though, we wouldn't want to mess with it and have it quit with no restart !
That is my biggest fear-it not restarting if i fool around with it and stop it some how.
I was even scared to put the scope on it.
I was thinking of placing a high ohm coil from a transformer(without the core) into the antena coil,and have to scope hooked to that-just to see what happen's.
Tell ya what...could you draw the device ?
I'm mentally picturing it, but may have scales and dimensions completely upside down or back to front.
I agree with you about simply showing it and blindly copying, we'd get nowhere in the understanding...but i'm not sure of much lol
I'll draw what I think it looks like and then you'll see (perhaps with a laugh) how far off my interpretation of the dimensions are. Perhaps then, with your drawing of it afterward, we can move forward in the real purposes and functions of the parts that make the whole thing.
In knowing though the rough shapings, i'll have a much better idea of function, as well as form :)
For example, I picture the receiving pyramid to be of about 8" wide at the top and of around 12 turns getting thinner to the bottom of it. That then connects to the 2 (capacitance) metal plates which are horizontal. The tuning coil sits under those, which sits in a glass/plastic tube. Off from there are the 2xLED and I/R diode.
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.02.02, 21:47:22
Tell ya what...could you draw the device ?
I'm mentally picturing it, but may have scales and dimensions completely upside down or back to front.
I agree with you about simply showing it and blindly copying, we'd get nowhere in the understanding...but i'm not sure of much lol
I'll draw what I think it looks like and then you'll see (perhaps with a laugh) how far off my interpretation of the dimensions are. Perhaps then, with your drawing of it afterward, we can move forward in the real purposes and functions of the parts that make the whole thing.
In knowing though the rough shapings, i'll have a much better idea of function, as well as form :)
For example, I picture the receiving pyramid to be of about 8" wide at the top and of around 12 turns getting thinner to the bottom of it. That then connects to the 2 (capacitance) metal plates which are horizontal. The tuning coil sits under those, which sits in a glass/plastic tube. Off from there are the 2xLED and I/R diode.
Hi slider
Are you guys still dealing with inches? lol. This is funny trying to deal in inches-it tokk me 10 minutes to find a tape in my workshop that has inches on it.
The bottom ring has a spacing of about 3 1/8 inches.The top ring is about 10 inches.
It would be 5 inches in hight,but it is not a straight pyramid shape.It kind of mushroom's out toward the top winding's(like a rose flower i guess)
It has two lots of 15 turn's-all of which are evenly spaced.
Now the end(or top) of one winding and the start or the other winding go's to one ground plane.There is a diode and the coil within the tube that is between the two ground plane's-there conection i guess.But this is not under the coil-antena.The antena-coil and ground plane's are to one side of the board,and the rest of the system is to the other side.
The two remaining (start and end) go of into the circuit,along with the other ground plane.
This is why i thought of the BPC as a base for doing some testing-it seems to be the same sort of setup.
I am trying to build a replica of the coil,but i have so much other work on-im finding it hard just to get an hour to myself at the moment.
I am so glade to have you looking into this ,and spending the time on it.
In saying that,i wish i could just show you the system as it is-butmy moral's and heart felt feelings for my dad just arnt alowing me to do this at the moment.
I will be talking with Chet about the situation at hand shortly in reguard's to how this thread continue's-as in where it continue's.
If things can be altered a bit,then my feelings may change.
I guess it come's down to who is actualy interested in what im trying to share-and so far that would be only you and chet by the look's.
I would rather get the replication finished on the antena-coil-and make a video for you with a tape in hand,as im realy crap at drawing.
I'm interested, my friend! Just catching up here after my illness...
One of the most intriguing vids (Lower Voltage) I've seen in a while -- thanks, Slider!
Interesting that the two BPC's give differing results.
A few comments/questions.
You note the input current reads 0.00A while the output current reads 0.01A (with the "better" BPC).
This is exciting, but my concern is that you are right at the limit of the meters, in the final digit. Could you go to a more sensitive scale?
Also, is the output DC ? -- if not, does the output meter read the output current accurately? can we trust it?
So my request would be -- please put your new oscilloscope on the input (say, voltage across a resistor) and vid that, then put it on the output and record that. The waveforms might tell us a lot.
Thanks again for intriguing work! I can see why you are enthusiastic about TinMan's work (and his Dad's!)
I recall Tesla was trying to transmit energy wirelessly also... I'm sure you guys have thought of that parallel to what you are doing. Good work both of you!
Steve
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.01.29, 04:06:39
Lower input voltage:
It struck me, that 9V was going in the front end. Well, we could use a 7805 regulator or similar to bring that to a better input voltage, but, we could also use another oscillator all together.
What would the circuit do at a lower voltage in any case ? would the pancake still perform well ?
I took a circuit from a normally water powered oscillator (a 1Meg resistor/0.1uF cap, tank based blocking oscillator) and used that as the pulse source...power is from a 1.2V Ni-MH.
The input meter shows zero, the output meter shows 10mA.
While not strictly keeping to the circuit dynamics, the output is shown by way of an LED on the wireless pancake coil that was shown earllier.
The LED's on the TinMan circuit don't come on, but the input is really really low.
Another, twin pancake, was found to develop more horsepower than the usual circuit one.
So that's maybe twice that the anomalous output current has been seen and i'm aiming to increase that output now, while further refining the input oscillator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_yFwo37GQM
Tinman,
>>I guess it come's down to who is actually interested in what I'm trying to share-and so far that would be only you and Chet by the look's.
Is it possible for you to take some good pictures of the device and post them here on the forum?
Groundloop.
Quote from: tinman on 2013.02.03, 03:02:14
I guess it come's down to who is actualy interested in what im trying to share-and so far that would be only you and chet by the look's.
Hi TM,
i also want to state that i am following along, but as said before the coil/antenna would be the important part in my view.
With all the info you have provided up till now i made this drawing, please comment on it as much as possible.
Regards Itsu
Well first time posting pic's,so here we go.
This is how the arial/coil is setup.
Hope this helps out a bit-some how.
First time Huh??
Like a fish to water then O0
Nice job!!
thx
Chet
PS
@itsu seems to have a gift for putting thought to paper too [uncanny similarity]
Indeed, Itsu's interpretation was great !
Thanks Brad :)
OK, so what I see there is a Quantum vacuum energy spiral vortex cannon, with linear integrating torus moded bifilar resonance riser.
Or, this:
Nah, what I really see is a version of the BPC, extended upward into one of Tesla's conical towers. The reasons for doing so are apparently to decrease the phase cancellations that 2 wires in close proximity can give rise to. Always within pancake coils and from my experience, there needs to be a gap between 1 conductor and the next. In a Tesla tower we get away with the gap being formed by 2 lots of enamel covering over magnet wire. Even the tightest windings will always have that double insulation between copper turns.
A pancake resonates normally at a lower speed...if you check the resonant frequency of 2 comparable systems, one of a BPC and another of a traditional tower, you should find that the tower has a much higher resonant frequency. Typically, a pills bottle tower will be at around 2MHz and a pancake some 100's of kHz.
A resonant rise however is how I see the coil of the DOVADA operating.
Tesla's conical towers were allegedly used on the USS Eldridge, if so then that's good enough for me :)
Conical shaping also leads into pyramid studies and all that goes with that leads into very much sideband study area.
When a cone is inserted into a Tesla tower, such that it's the Primary, there has to be a spot or several spots up and down that diameter where the capacitance is highest, where the resonance is most. As you know, i've wound some very dodgy looking conicals in my time and yet they nearly always give a great performance. They have to be right somewhere along their windings !
The very middle of a BPC is where all the electro-magnetic action focuses. Remove that central area and you have a coil which can distribute the effects without a focal point that drains all extra energies into a focus. Normally that focus is wished for to display wireless energy, but what if we don't want the energy to escape ? - well that's my theory.
Consider also the attached, a BPC of traditional winding, sat in Tesla's lab. Take away the lighter (removable ?) central section and pull that BPC outward from the wall. You have an approximation of the shaping of the DOVADA coil.
Hi All,
i noticed a PHI (1.618) relationship between the dimensions of the coil:
(base) 3.125 inch x PHI (1.618) = 5.05 inch (height)
Top (10 inch) is then 2x this base x phi relationship.
Also the ground plains being 6 inch x 10 inch:
6 inch x PHI (1.618) = 9.7 inch
looking at the trumpet shape of this coil, i found this picture based on PHI:
http://people.tribe.net/c8d7e521-fb6b-480a-b20b-f6518aa2e45b/blog/5197e44d-0559-49a9-8283-33d9916a9c53
Any thoughts?
Regards itsu
itsu
The Nuts and bolts of it would seem a collecter ,to gather ,enhance and Focus towards the plates
To focus a Potential?[your drawing even more so]
Maybe a swirl is happening?
I remember during some of the TPU builds fellows were taking extra light weight Foils and hanging them in spots ,and Super fine metal Dust [powder]and trying creative ways to show some sort of Flow?[and they did]
Maybe there is also a way to observe changes in the environment around the device [static?]
Hang super fine foil of different charge potential,move slowly around ?
silly thought even "pressure"[How to check?]. also some really good Temp readings at different points would be good to check.
Fun stuff
Thx
Chet
Quote from: Itsu on 2013.02.05, 10:51:20
Hi All,
i noticed a PHI (1.618) relationship between the dimensions of the coil:
(base) 3.125 inch x PHI (1.618) = 5.05 inch (height)
Top (10 inch) is then 2x this base x phi relationship.
Also the ground plains being 6 inch x 10 inch:
6 inch x PHI (1.618) = 9.7 inch
looking at the trumpet shape of this coil, i found this picture based on PHI:
http://people.tribe.net/c8d7e521-fb6b-480a-b20b-f6518aa2e45b/blog/5197e44d-0559-49a9-8283-33d9916a9c53
Any thoughts?
Regards itsu
Ok -well im lost.
I have never heard of this PHI stuff befor.
Is there anything speacial about it?
Quote from: tinman on 2013.02.05, 13:59:07
Ok -well im lost.
I have never heard of this PHI stuff befor.
Is there anything speacial about it?
Well, it was new to me to since a few weeks ago, then i looked into it triggered by another forum thread.
PHI is concidered to be the Golden Ratio of nature, just google PHI and/or Golden Ratio and you will find many hits, like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
Or to keep it more in our line of thinking:
http://portal.groupkos.com/index.php?title=Electromagnetic_Coils
under: Tripolar Solenoidal
Regards Itsu
O0 O0 O0 PHI O0 O0 O0
Yes of course !
Luckily (for me in this thread), i've been along those routes for a while now, that and Pi and the Fibonacci series and various esoteric alignments.
For example, here's something perplexing -
Was talking to my wife about various alignments and how experimenters are sometimes needed in the presence of a device for it to work. The usual thought is that the guy is there to flick a hidden switch or give a nod at the right time to an undisclosed helper. But, what if some of this is frequency responsive.
Anyway, she commented about the direction that my workbench faces - East
Commented on the direction I face when shooting videos in the utility room - East
We then realised that the direction of my workbench when we lived in Minnesota was - East
And, when I would use the kitchen table, with 4 chairs around it, for electrical stuff, I sat in the chair that faced - East !!!
Just about knocked me over to realise that and I probably nearly fell over toward the....East ;D
OK, so 1.618, the Golden Mean or Golden Ratio.
Snail shells have it, plants have it, classical era painters painted by it, ancient architects architected with it !
Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZvGbjeUymo
See, the Golden Ratio and Pi can never be solved. The energy of a system that can never be reduced to a zero is a system that won't find a reduction to zero. Entropy !
It will run and run because the stop is a finite and the equations/mathematics of the device state that it can't stop.
Real equations, natural equations will dictate a harmony based on misbalance, not balance.
Tinman,
Do you have a photo of the device for upload here?
GL.
GL
I know you asked this before ,This Device is an heirloom to Brads family,his comfort Zone for sharing this "picture" of his fathers
work before he understands how it works himself is a most difficult and personal area for him to be in.
and a hard choice to make.
A tuff spot indeed.........
Brads initial post
Quote
It would be easy for me just to show the device and let others try to work out how it function's,but i feel it would also be wrong of me as this was my dad's life work.
So as i am unable to solve the questions that come with this setup myself,i thought it would make for an interesting project for all that are interested in my dad's work.
If anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.
My email is sidewinder350@westnet.com.au
Brad
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So we try to help a bit from the outside ,with a step by step look see??
one thing I wanted to ask Brad was about detecting ""emissions"" from certain parts?
there are small elements that can run small loads for quite some time,To rule this out would be a good path!
Thx for being here GL!!
Chet
Quote from: ramset on 2013.02.06, 16:39:25
GL
I know you asked this before ,This Device is an heirloom to Brads family,his comfort Zone for sharing this "picture" of his fathers
work before he understands how it works himself is a most difficult and personal area for him to be in.
and a hard choice to make.
A tuff spot indeed.........
Brads initial post
Quote
It would be easy for me just to show the device and let others try to work out how it function's,but i feel it would also be wrong of me as this was my dad's life work.
So as i am unable to solve the questions that come with this setup myself,i thought it would make for an interesting project for all that are interested in my dad's work.
If anyone here would like a copy of my dad's book,then just email me on my private email-and i will email a copy of the book as a file attachment.
As i am under the understanding that all material posted here stays within our groupe until such time as we see fit to disclose our reserch as a whole,then i am happy to share his work with you all.
The condition on my open forum is that those who would like a copy of the book,is that it remains with them and not be shared open sorce.
My email is sidewinder350@westnet.com.au
Brad
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So we try to help a bit from the outside ,with a step by step look see??
one thing I wanted to ask Brad was about detecting ""emissions"" from certain parts?
there are small elements that can run small loads for quite some time,To rule this out would be a good path!
Thx for being here GL!!
Chet
Chet,
I understand. I have sent Tinman an email.
GL.
Hi Tinman,
i was playing around with some garden lights.
When i covered the solar panel with my hand, there is a kind of in between state where the little 4-legged control chip switches between loading the battery or lightning the led.
In this in between state, i saw this "tapering off" kind of signal like you were showing on your video's.
Guess its like Tinselkoala said in one of his posts some syncing problem of your scope showing both the 300Khz signal and the "tapering off" signal.
Anyway, fun stuff, and i hope you will continue showing some part of the DOVADA circuit.
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTJfKUeVPo&feature=youtu.be
Regards Itsu
Enjoyed that video :)
There are a couple of different 4 legged chips, mine have tended to be 5252F from the Westinghouse branded solar lights.
Some seen in our local Dollar Tree may be of a different type. I wonder if they are the same functionally or does just one type show the ring down effect.
That the ring occurs with partial covering would seem to suggest the circuit being unsure whether to switch on or off, a partial state of both and the chip having to make a decision. But it's not a sharp on or off, it's something else and that intrigues.
Wonder what the circuit actually is on that chip, though it's a Joule Thief. I do know though that changing out your (what looks like) 150uH axial inductor for a larger value will further brighten the LED output. Moving upward in inductor appears not to impact the run time, just makes it more efficient. Mine only run for a couple of hours though and i'm always bemused when seeing other peoples lit up past midnight...even took a car trip out one time at 2am to see whos solar lights were still on !
Those tubes look mighty interesting for Mike's circuit ! I still have some of them, thinking they may be useful some day O0
They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.02.11, 17:50:29
They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?
Hmmm, guess the best way would be to sand it down by hand.
That way you keep the best control over the process and keep the damage minimal.
Regards Itsu
Cheers, I think i'll do that. If they work as outer steel and say windchime stainless as the inners, it could make hoped for replicated production units a decent avenue. Either that, or there'd be much jingling heard and solar panels all over the workbench.
Anyhow, back to this topic :)
Do you think the solar circuit could output to the 2xLED and I/R LED in the middle ?
Perhaps there are tuning possibilities like that, while looking for a steady wacky trace with the trumpet type waveform. It may open up a replication to components a lot more readily available than might have been.
If we see that as the oscillator and final output, then we can focus on the topping up with the Hydrogen resonant antenna.
That's how I see it....
While looking for a solar circuit around the work area, i've found one with a DT803 4 legged chip on it...wasn't expecting that.
Quote from: Slider2732 on 2013.02.11, 17:50:29
Enjoyed that video :)
There are a couple of different 4 legged chips, mine have tended to be 5252F from the Westinghouse branded solar lights.
Some seen in our local Dollar Tree may be of a different type. I wonder if they are the same functionally or does just one type show the ring down effect.
That the ring occurs with partial covering would seem to suggest the circuit being unsure whether to switch on or off, a partial state of both and the chip having to make a decision. But it's not a sharp on or off, it's something else and that intrigues.
Wonder what the circuit actually is on that chip, though it's a Joule Thief. I do know though that changing out your (what looks like) 150uH axial inductor for a larger value will further brighten the LED output. Moving upward in inductor appears not to impact the run time, just makes it more efficient. Mine only run for a couple of hours though and i'm always bemused when seeing other peoples lit up past midnight...even took a car trip out one time at 2am to see whos solar lights were still on !
Those tubes look mighty interesting for Mike's circuit ! I still have some of them, thinking they may be useful some day O0
They have brown paint on though, do you know of a way to remove it, perhaps with heating or something ?
http://www.prema.com/Application/pr4403_e.html
Thanks Groundloop :)
Looking at the datasheet right now.
Looking earlier at the chip again, it's a D1803. With 40mAh Ni-MH button type battery on the circuit board and a 180uH inductor.
Aha!
"4.7-6.8μH: two white LEDs in parallel"
Just a random thought, but, was looking for all the gossip about the Pope retiring and stayed on for some entertaining reading at ATS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread925290/pg1
Not a member there, but they have some interesting posts.This one was about Indian Vimana.
"When the Daityas were being slaughtered they again took to their vimana and, employing the Danava science, flew up into the sky" The Mahabharata text"
Danava, Dovada ? fits the possibilities of a hugely scaled up energy source :)
Reading on, the Mayan people were apparently the Danava. Ah well, may an' may not be anything.
Hi Guy's
Just some info for you all.The name DOVADA was derived from the first letter of the first name of all the team members that formed the company DOVADA.
So here is a little something to try with that solar garden light circuit.
Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?
The garden light circuit was my only my attempt at replicating what i thought to be the tuning part of the circuit???
Been a tad bit hectic here in the last few week's,but looks like some sort of normality is just around the corner.
So im hopeing to get my antena finished soon.
Lots of interesting things going on here.
Have you fellahs seen this ?
http://www.energeticforum.com/announcements-news/13410-nrglab-promotes-sh-boxes-alternative-solar-energy.html#post223980
Thx
Chet
@TinMan - Glad to hear things are going well. I preferred the mystical link lol, but knowing about the names is quite cool.
Wonder what it would be for us guys. Could that be an option for a derivative name for our own little project here ? It would keep the theme :)
Will have a go at the BPC method.
First am troubleshooting another build of the SMD electrolysis circuit to not be a 'one shot'. No idea what 's up with it. Duty cycle and frequency will change the flash, but there's only one flash then it stops.
@Chet - Yeah. Ya know the salts cell I made yesterday in another thread, it was to have been a copy of their individual cells. The square shape, size etc. For some reason they are getting 'out there' and I support that....very clever advertising going on.
Quote from: tinman on 2013.02.12, 09:55:20
Hi Guy's
Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?
@All,
rather busy with work/prived stuff lately, but still working on the DOVADA circuit as mentioned by Tinman.
Made a BPC coil out of double speaker wire, which makes it kind of flexible.
I can put the 2 speaker wires parallel, so having a normal (double) BPC, or i can put the both wires from each double speaker wire in series, either normal series or in bucking mode.
Anyway, in normal parallel BPC mode its 129uH, and self resonant on 702Khz.
Will incorporate it into the little solarpanel circuit as per Tinmans direction.
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueS4arJFg6Y&feature=youtu.be
Regards Itsu
Hi Itsu
nice coil,but im not sure how that one being so large will work.
But give it a try when you can,and let us know.
Tinman
Quote from: tinman on 2013.02.12, 09:55:20
Hi Guy's
So here is a little something to try with that solar garden light circuit.
Remove the inductor from the circuit.
conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap.
On each end of the BPC place an LED-1 LED with the positive leg on one end of the BPC,and 1 LED with the negative on the remaining leg of the BPC.
The two open legs of the LED's then go to ground on the circuit.
Let me know what you find?
OK, used my big BPC, first only instead of the inductor and it lit the one led normally.
Then i followed your above instructions (i understand with: "conect the inductor input to a BPC center tap" you mean to connect to the inductor input of the 4 legged chip, Right?).
Well, nothing happens, none of the leds light up, scope shows no pulsing, just 1.2V.
I guess thats normal as now we have no + on the inductor (BPC now), so no + on the "conductor input" leg of the chip.
Maybe i am interpreting your instructions wrongly (i tried severall things though), so please could you make a drawing on how you like to have those 2 leds and BPC connected up.
Does it work with you?
Regards Itsu
Nice BPC Itsu. Every coil needs separation between the turns and the speaker wire coating offers an almost 1 to 1 wire to coating, when 2 turns are placed together.
The resonance can be ball parked, as you probably know. It relates in fact to Lester Hendershot and how he could intuitively wind basket weave coils for particular resonant frequencies.
3" will be 2MHz ballpark, 1ft will be 200kHz ballpark etc.
Flailing somewhat here with the garden light circuit. The one I found doesn't work. The onboard battery charges, but there's no output. I know I had one that never did work, wondering if this is that one. Looking for another.
Thought this might be right here
http://www.lighting.co.uk/news/mit-creates-led-that-cools-its-surrounding-environment/8627537.article
Mike 8)
@ Centraflow
Thanks for that video,it was most interesting.
On a not so good note:
After a phone call from another member of the freedom energy group tonigh,my input on the DOVADA device will cease.
It seems we have a business man amoungst us on freedom energy.
What is good to know is it isnt any of the guys working along side me on this project.
At this point in time,i am happy that i have not shown the device,but it was soon comeing.
If the person in question would care to email me,and explain his intentions to me,then if i am happy with the outcome-i will continue to share this work of my fathers.
To the guys that have been helping out with the development of this device-i give my sincere appologies.
I was under the understanding that what go's on at freedom energy was safe until we as a team decided to place it out there into the land of the living.
But until this issue is sorted,i cannot go any further with this thread.
Brad
Oeps, that's a bummer Brad, but quite understandable, please do what you think you must do.
I hope however, it will be sorted out soon, until then i continue with some other projects.
Regards Itsu
Brad, I understand and appreciate your efforts.
Elsewhere, we have discussed "paths" that could be taken with a novel-energy invention in hand. Two main paths IMHO, to summarize briefly:
1. Seek a patent/ sell-out to Big Energy -- the inventor MIGHT get the beaucoup bucks, but the invention and probably the inventor are silenced/ shelved indefinitely while the pillaging barons retain monopoly on energy they "own and sell".
2. Seek to develop and test the device to be sure of ou, then proceed with building MANY hundreds. Distributed manufacture with friends throughout the world (not just one country or one controlling corporation!!); makers provide fair royalties to the inventor by signed agreements. Build steadily -- but keep it low-key and "hobby/research level" for a while, with much going to 3rd world if possible!
At some point in time, the availability of the new energy is announced via local media by many, and in many countries, simultaneously. The idea is given to the masses.
I strongly recommend along the lines of 2), not 1).
Awww man that sucks, as they say.
I can easily imagine though a different set of circumstances and hope is the case. Perhaps more that they jumped a couple of steps ahead and wondered about your longer term goals with the device or derivatives.
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2013.02.16, 17:59:09
Brad, I understand and appreciate your efforts.
Elsewhere, we have discussed "paths" that could be taken with a novel-energy invention in hand. Two main paths IMHO, to summarize briefly:
1. Seek a patent/ sell-out to Big Energy -- the inventor MIGHT get the beaucoup bucks, but the invention and probably the inventor are silenced/ shelved indefinitely while the pillaging barons retain monopoly on energy they "own and sell".
2. Seek to develop and test the device to be sure of ou, then proceed with building MANY hundreds. Distributed manufacture with friends throughout the world (not just one country or one controlling corporation!!); makers provide fair royalties to the inventor by signed agreements. Build steadily -- but keep it low-key and "hobby/research level" for a while, with much going to 3rd world if possible!
At some point in time, the availability of the new energy is announced via local media by many, and in many countries, simultaneously. The idea is given to the masses.
I would go with option 2. Build as many as possible, quietly. The distribution part I believe needs to happen quickly. Some being distributed to, may have alternative plans for the device, as is being suspected of here, in these supposed private threads. But at least many good people will get it before it is possibly squashed. The slower it goes out, the easier it can be stopped by any means.
It will be hard to get some to pay the royalties, if things are kept on the down low. Like, " Your Honor, they have not kept their agreement in paying royalties for the secret sales of and invention that we cannot tell you about." It would be a strange happening. Just one rough example.
Being that these graphene ideas are already in play out there, the only idea that should be kept quiet is Mikes process. What is done with the graphene is whooptidoo. I think.
Open source, I suppose can have varying definitions or conditions.
What scares me about choice No. 1, if the device is OU or way beyond the next best battery, "THEY" will find a way to instill limitations and expiration dates. Like the light bulb, hammered down to under 1000 hours. They will not produce eternal batteries, or even ones that last more than 20 years. If "THEY" get their hands on an idea or device that is clearly an infinite or super long term device, it 'will' be hammered down to a disposable, replaceable( mo money, mo money) 'battery' as we know them today, and the true essence of the original will be easily forgotten, because it was kept from public knowledge.
Mags
QuoteYour Honor, they have not kept their agreement in paying royalties for the secret sales of and invention that we cannot tell you about.
Really did laugh out loud, quite true though.
A hook would be one method to work around that. As in, Phase 2 will be along in several weeks and offer an upgrade to the power output. Those who donate more than X amount can receive that upgrade.
Another thing to note - how do any nefarious types know that this is the only place where said invention is being discussed. There is no way of knowing how many are already out there....no way of judging, realistically, the reasons for having this conversation in this manner. Except, because the belief would be that we are discussing privately and they are eavesdropping without us already knowing.
It's almost as though they would believe we are discussing real time.
Did I really type "Phase 2 will be along in several weeks"...guess I did :)
:-X
It is my hope that the person that called me will get it sorted soon.
But we have spoken of other options aswell in reguards to the continuation of the work here.
@ slider
Quote: Phase 2 will be along in several weeks ?
That is an interesting statement,whith a touch of excitment-what have you done? lol.