The in's and outs of the William Skinner machine

[Law-of-Gravity]

Does anyone know the original source for these photos?
The watermark indicates someone owns them.
I would like to get a copy without the watermark.
Thanks,
Mark

Here are some photos

regards

Mike

[gyula]

Does anyone know the original source for these photos?
The watermark indicates someone owns them.
I would like to get a copy without the watermark.
Thanks,
Mark

Hi Mark,

Here is a video which includes improvements in picture quality (with a much smaller and different watermark) and the uploder claims the original copyright belongs to the British Pathé :

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEat-8zOjlE 

So if you want a copy without any watermarks, then perhaps the British Pathé may have such copy I do not know.  https://www.britishpathe.tv/ 

They also have a youtube channel  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGp4u0WHLsK8OAxnvwiTyhA

Gyula

[Law-of-Gravity]

Gyula,
Thank you for the reply. I found the British Pathe but their watermark appears to be different from "Historic Image". I also searched the British Pathe still sales and only found frame stills of the video. It is frustrating because William Skinner appears to be wearing the same clothing as the British Pathe video.
I am trying to get a better look at what is behind the "H" in the top section of the machine.

[Excelsior]

The work continues: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4449.0

[Grumpy]

http://www.rexresearch.com/skinner/skinner.htm

I haven't watched the replication video.

[Centraflow]

Does anyone know the original source for these photos?
The watermark indicates someone owns them.
I would like to get a copy without the watermark.
Thanks,
Mark

Hi Mark

Sorry but I never found photos without the watermarks.

I spent a lot of time on this to see how it could work. Many tried things that really were not the way it is.

If you look at my thread on this, I have explained how each part works and interreacts with each part. The system is NOT rigid, it is sort of resonant where each part interreacts in order.

I had to leave off my work on this project because of my investigations in the Steven Mark TPU, which has taken me years to see how it works and build working units.

Good luck on this very worthwhile adventure

Regards

Mike

[Excelsior]

In the thread I started regarding this device, I shared a link to the green mechano model that seems to work as it should only using a different approach.

So am I right in saying any number of arrangements might work?

Skinner found a working formula but that's not to say it can't be put together in a different way surely - So long as the precession of the lower weight is maintained by the "inertial cascade" going through the top stage and into the middle assembly, affecting said bottom weight?

[Grumage]

In the thread I started regarding this device, I shared a link to the green mechano model that seems to work as it should only using a different approach.

So am I right in saying any number of arrangement could work for?

Skinner found a working formula but that's not to say it can't be put together in a different way surely - So long as the precession of the lower weight is maintained by the "inertial cascade" going through the top stage and into the middle assembly, affecting said bottom weight?

Hi RR.

Are you UK based? If yes please send me a PM.

CHeers Graham.

[Grumage]

For the gimbal you might like to consider these " Spherical bearings "

https://tinyurl.com/bda48ew9

Cheers Graham.

[Hakasays]

For the gimbal you might like to consider these " Spherical bearings "

https://tinyurl.com/bda48ew9

Cheers Graham.

Also called 'pillow block bearings' if you're looking for the complete assembly

[Grumage]

Also called 'pillow block bearings' if you're looking for the complete assembly

We know them as " Plummer block's " this side of the pond....   

From experience they won't have the same flexibility as a spherical would and if you needed a greater angle of movement, go for a lager bore diameter and make a reduction spacer for the shaft. 

Cheers Graham.

[Peterae]

Testing

[Grumage]

Testing

Seems ok now Peter. Thanks for the update. 

Cheers Graham.

[Excelsior]

(Saved this for when the thread was working again)

These look good but better for the real thing. I imagine premade heavy duty stuff becomes prerequisite when you go above a certain weight.

I'm doing mine as cheaply as is justifiable. Reasons being A) So others are more inclined to give it a go B) to save money for the real thing and C) To drive the point home, that you don't need to do anything exotic or radioactive to procure over unity results, just some particular bits of hardware.. The more reinterpretations we have of this device, the better, to juxtapose and find out exactly what allows useful output to be had.

I look forward to seeing others' uploads on this.

[Sm0ky2]

Somewhere, there must be an operating principle detailed enough to make a small proof of concept device.

Does anyone have a plausible hypothesis for how this thing worked?

Regards, ION

We've all probably played around with a heavy object in a swivel
Or held a tool or appliance by its free rotating handle,
And been amused by this effect.

The only known gravitational theory that can explain this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist


https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/basics/primer/

https://www.planetary.org/articles/20130926-gravity-assist

The basic principle states that we enter the gravitational influence vector (which is downward in our system) in the direction of rotation of the system. Which in our case: is the arbitrary rotational direction of the device.
we exit the field at an obtuse angle to increase speed, or an acute angle to decrease speed.

And the rest is just space math

Watch the tilt of the weighted shafts
get a small thing on your hand while you watch his machine
center shaft will show you the basics, but something with a crank handle
Will show you the full effect
Have a weight on the outer rim
Hold it steady and just slightly tilt

watch his news clip

Tilt your weighted shaft

Watch them both, feel what's happening

Its no different than when a car or motorcycle flies into the air after hitting a tiny obstacle:
gravitational momentum is added to the system, while the forward momentum of the vehicle is maintained.
gravity makes the wreck much worse. In this scenario, the inverse process occurs, the car's velocity is slightly decreased, while leaving the gravitational field, then changes directions and accelerates at a different angle.


With a little modification, these two processes could be combined to make a gravity engine give an upward impule.
(gravity powered aircraft) by cancellation of changes in rotational velocity, leaving only the upward momentum.

[Excelsior]

Good analysis. Thankyou for the links too, Sm0ky2

However, I imagine that a car crash with no gravity would be infinitely worse than one with (for the occupants at least  )


My replication is still ongoing, making good progress with it.
After much deliberation and many tests, I now have a concise plan for each stage of my own interpretation / replication.
What I have planned for the upper & lower "Inertia Assemblies" as I have coined it, should work quite well.

I plan to use a single stage gear "step-up" on the output shaft to increase RPM and a flywheel on the PMA pinion gear, alongside a sprag bearing. This should smooth out any irregularities incurred by A. it being a single unbalanced unit and B. the actuation being achieved in a linear fashion demonstrated by David Quirey in his Meccano model.

(It's a cheaper and easier way to achieve the same thing, as it would seem no one has figured out what Skinner did to get his rotating, elliptical action on the upper bars) It seems unnecessarily complicated (albeit mesmerizing) and the cantilever effect achieved could likely be done in many different ways.


This is all assuming there is no better course of action to take than sticking a PMA on it?

Could also use a Frennete style friction heater to capture output on shaft and use refrigerant loops and a turbine, that'd be a lot more work though (and risky)

The proposed COP:12 should make up for a world of "mechanical sins"
But one must assemble the entire thing however crudely, and I believe this is where most fail.
Perseverance is key for any who would replicate this device, that is, until someone does it and tells us all how to.

The way I see it, the potential applications of this brilliant design in todays world are horribly understated.

Will post a more comprehensive update in my own thread once final tests have been conducted, but send me a PM if you (the reader) would like some suggestions as to what to use and where etc. More people should work on this design IMO. It would take just one successful attempt shared and we have our OU problem solved.

[Excelsior]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taj4VA1L_vw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lw-kCTY-eA

Not directly relevant but quite interesting and worth a watch.

I have considered what might occur if flywheels were used instead of "dead" / static weights as Skinner / Quirey / Myself & others have tried.

There is undoubtedly more at play with the effect than "mainstream" physics can suggest.
Although getting the thing working as is is difficult enough, for now.