Wesley news #2 Wesley succesfully performs his TK test in a remote location

[conradelektro]

Conrad
welcome to the forum, its all part of the mystery !

respectfully
Chet K

Hi Conrad, good to see you here. We have shared ideas in the past. On the other forum (OU.com) I use my old handle of Vortex1.

Yes, I agree we must question the purpose of such videos since not enough info for replication is given.

My belief is that many folk are posting such "magik tricks" in the hope to get lots of youtube hits and some supplemental income.

The fact that no real information is given is so that no one replicates and debunks the device, this way it is kept a mystery, continually keeps racking up youtube views and if the presenter is really lucky will find a benefactor with deep pockets.

We can only hope that Andrian is an honest presenter, does not fall into the above category and will divulge at some later point.

Unfortunately this has not been the case with most of similar presentations.

Regards, ION

Hello Chet K, I always like a mystery and hope to find some here.

Hello ION, let's hope some mysterious honest folks show up in this forum.

Unfortunately I do not know how to produce a miracle. That is why I try to find one.

Greetings, Conrad

[muDped]

...

I have no choice but to treat it as hearsay, and with mind to the potential divert some resources to information process. I would be obliged if you could save me the effort and provide source material.

I see no reason to invoke at this critical point in time external forces (aliens)...

Aye, it is difficult to come to grips with.  The most
persuasive "source material" would be my experiences
and exposures, both while active military and beyond.
But those too would be only "hearsay."

I'm afraid the only alternative is to dig, for those who
may be interested in finding what truth is presently
available, for answers.  Until such time, that is, when
World Events will remove all doubt.

Whether one makes effort to seek "evidence" or not
will not matter.  In due time we will all see who "they"
are and what they have.  At the rate World Events are
moving toward that end it shouldn't be more than perhaps
a decade or two in the future.

In the meantime what has begun in the Middle East has
reached a focal point in Syria.  What happens there next
will be a prelude to the final event.  Yes, a madness or "Idiocracy"
has overtaken "The West" for a certainty.

[ion]

For those who like illusions, this guy does a good one, and much simpler than Andrian's device:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErbXiXsyc9k&feature=youtu.be

He has some companion videos also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYG5-T0135E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNShdzUNpo0&feature=youtu.be

Last one is easier to debunk.

[Chet K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-T85mzhVQI&feature=youtu.be

very interesting Vid from Our friend Wesley

[Chet K]

Wesley says ........How to build Tariel Kapanadze device.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJ1V_yDv-c&feature=youtu.be

[TinselKoala]

Well isn't that nice.

I can tell you how to build a faster-than-light spacedrive. Maybe Wesley can figure out how to plug his TK-box into my FTL to power it.


Oh... wait.... Wesley doesn't actually have a working TK-box.... and I don't actually have a FTL drive.

[Chet K]

well
would not want to guess about Wesley's boxes ,he has lots of boxes

some of them may not be socially acceptable [emission issues]

but it would be nice to see something working that has no emissions to worry about
and to hear Wesley talk about the "TK" box [Not to be confused with any _other_ Tk's
who may wish to mingle fanciful technologies]

Wesley's _pending_ TK box has no such emission concerns ,But .....[Big BUT here]
does it Do what it Do ??

that is

Pump energy from the Ambient potential ??

i really do think we will get a chance to see ??
soon....

[TinselKoala]

well

Wesley seems to have lost his mind. He seems to be extremely excited about this obvious fake, spamming at least three forum threads with the same link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-M55XP3D4A

"Is it real? You tell me."  No, Wesley, it's not real.

[Chet K]

around 8 min mark it is shown aloft
and 9 min mark he starts with the stick and looking for fake support strings


The Vid made me smile ....
I would like to see another vid with a good demonstration [a support camera man walking around looking and listening throughout the presentation [no edits]

[Reiyuki]

around 8 min mark it is shown aloft
and 9 min mark he starts with the stick and looking for fake support strings

The Vid made me smile ....

Antigrav is simply cooler than overunity.    It inspires in a way that lighting bulbs does not.
John Bedin's systems never had a huge number of replications partly because battery chargers are boring.

That isn't to say it's real, but the next step is the same.  Real or fake, the question is still 'How?'


Closest conventional research involving HV against rotating superconductors I can recall was Podkletnov:
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2014/05/update-on-podkletnov-gravity.html
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm

edit:

The closest woo-woo design would seem to be Kosol device.  This would give us a good idea on the material composition of the disk if it's a real video:
http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Kosol-Interview.pdf
https://overunity.com/2035/the-kosol-sphere/dlattach/attach/6348/

[ion]

Reiyuki

Antigrav is simply cooler than overunity.

Not only cooler, you can bet  control of gravity is linked to OU. You can also be sure that it is the most guarded secret on the planet. Released it would put the mafia's that control the world out of business. Imagine all the worker bees leaving the planet, no more honey for the keepers.

And those that chose to stay wouldn't need their oil. With abundant FE, any element you want can be transmuted or even created.

The ramifications are enormous, it would mean the end of the current "system of things".

[muDped]

There is abundant evidence on our Planet that a
High Technology Society of some sort existed
several thousands of years ago.  It has been predicted
that we'll see a "replay" of those technologies in our
present age.  We may soon have revealed to us the
True Source of what we now call "Over-unity" or
"Anomalous Free Energy."  Very interesting times we
are in for sure.

[Reiyuki]

Take a look at Alexey Chekurkov's channel.  This guy didn't come out of nowhere, that's for sure:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzZxKT3BzBZOVVy8_YzP6Yw

There's a dozen videos over the past few years with a very clear progression to them.  This is evidently from a rumored antigrav platform long ago that claimed to use beetle shells to make a repulsive platform.

He starts early tests by analyzing what looks to be beetle shells with HV and with a microscope, then progresses to homemade 'wing' tests with an unknown metal sheeting (emi magnetic shielding sheet?).  Then he tests rotating disks, analyzing the vibration patterns.  Then building small counter-rotating proto-craft that is similar to the first test.

Attached are some screenshots of his different setups and experiments.

Boy, I wish I knew Russian. 　　、、、日本語できるけど

[Chet K]

Grumpy and others had some interesting comments and contributions here.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2331.msg36184#msg36184

Wesley said the time spent here [watching his recent Video] ...would be well spent time ?

perhaps he has more insight ...

??

[TinselKoala]

Those videos of that spinning thing are so obviously faked that I feel sorry for Wesley. I think he's losing his mind. The first one was debunked long ago, where the device falls to the floor when the thread suspending it breaks. The second video is even more laughable, where the fellow holds the "high voltage" wires in his hands, and the height of the device stays constant while the load from the weight of the wires varies as he holds them (and doesn't get shocked). And in strong winds, even! Any drone pilot will tell you what kind of sophisticated autopilot or fancy control manipulation is needed to keep a flying thing hovering in one spot at constant altitude in strong winds. The "stick trick" where he pretends to show that it isn't suspended from above is an old stage magician's trick; from the audience's perspective you can't tell that the stick actually never crosses the suspending fishing line hanging from the tree limb up above. And the connection to the battery: sure, just wrap a bit of wire a few times around a post, loosely enough that you can just dislodge it with your fingers, without making any spark..... LOL!

You can talk about Grebennikov all you like but this device has nothing to do with anything attributed to Greb. The Greb flying platform reportedly used louvers, like venetian blinds or like the Cavorite system, nothing rotating, and no magnets or even any power supply, it was just working by the chitin's electrostatic properties. This thing uses counterrotating disks bearing magnets (allegedly) and power supplies. And of course... the thread or fishing line.

I can't wait to see who falls for this and starts "replicating".

[Reiyuki]

Those videos of that spinning thing are so obviously faked that I feel sorry for Wesley. I think he's losing his mind.

Starting an argument with a personal attack is not a good strategy.

The first one was debunked long ago, where the device falls to the floor when the thread suspending it breaks.

More than likely.  Watch the human-sized shadow in the 1st video next to the disc.  The shadow moves in-line with the craft movement.

The second video is even more laughable, where the fellow holds the "high voltage" wires in his hands, and the height of the device stays constant while the load from the weight of the wires varies as he holds them (and doesn't get shocked).

Anyone who's played with high voltage knows there's nothing fancy about that.  Even thin-shielded cables are enough to avoid shocks against >30kv. (though they will buzz and emit corona)

And in strong winds, even! Any drone pilot will tell you what kind of sophisticated autopilot or fancy control manipulation is needed to keep a flying thing hovering in one spot at constant altitude in strong winds.

Decent argument .  Though someone would probably counter that the device acts as its own inertia field and counters thrust and rotation on all axes.

The "stick trick" where he pretends to show that it isn't suspended from above is an old stage magician's trick; from the audience's perspective you can't tell that the stick actually never crosses the suspending fishing line hanging from the tree limb up above.

Good catch.

And the connection to the battery: sure, just wrap a bit of wire a few times around a post, loosely enough that you can just dislodge it with your fingers, without making any spark..... LOL!

Disconnecting a load from a battery doesn't always make sparks.  Meh.

You can talk about Grebennikov all you like but this device has nothing to do with anything attributed to Greb. The Greb flying platform reportedly used louvers, like venetian blinds or like the Cavorite system, nothing rotating, and no magnets or even any power supply, it was just working by the chitin's electrostatic properties. This thing uses counterrotating disks bearing magnets (allegedly) and power supplies. And of course... the thread or fishing line.

Good to know.


Better analysis would leave out the emotion and just start with listening to the audio at the point where the craft starts falling, at 10:56 in Wesley's video (attached).  Sounds like wire stretching followed by a tree-branch snap.
(rope stretching sound effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3LsshSAG8  )

Then they'd point out the odd ratio of stability (that the vehicle is completely stable in rotation and horizontally, but drifts up-and-down vertically (in-sync with the trees blowing nearby in the wind)


I still like the videos.  They inspire the imagination in a way that OU does not.

[Reiyuki]

I did like Alexey's method starting with microscopic analysis of animal structures and systems in nature before progressing to more practical experiments.

But starting from hard-science rather than of nature, the highest likelihood of success is likely to be found in metamaterials that have an intermix of diamagnetic, paramagnetic, ferromagnetic, and/or piezoelectric properties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiferroics

This is partly due to the tenancy that most superconductors are composed of mixtures of diamagnetic and magnetic materials.  Since superconductivity is a situation where currents are locked into a continuous loop unable to escape, it acts as a 'virtual inertia'; and indeed many electrical engineering lessons describe currents inside an inductor this way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-temperature_superconductivity

If we couple this with HV impulses, we may indeed be able to create situations where the superconductor creates Lorentz deflection against the charged particles to force them into stable orbits around the superconductor, allowing us to pump energy into a region of space faster than it can be dissipated.  In effect, we'd end up with an artificial 'density' (due to the inertia of the charged particles being injected into the system).

Of course, the closest we can get to superconductors on the bench of course are regular LC tank circuits.   B fields in opposition of course, so we don't waste energy coupling magnetically to free space.

Anyway, that's my ramblings.  Fun stuff to ponder

[Chet K]

is this the goods ?
or ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJXVVD8IiQc&feature=youtu.be

[Chet K]

just making a benchmark for an experiment Wesley proposed last week at Stefan's forum [until I can ask him where he wants this Data presented]

I suggest simple experiment :
1.take two grounds ( at best at the distance) ( ground wires must be thick  from 0 to 3 gauge)
a.deliver to one ground impulse ( whatever voltage, whatever shape)
b.measure  if that  impulse is  sensed by second ground by means of close circuit.
that means that  your V meter is connected to both of the grounds.
c.if you do not sense the impulse than increase the voltage and do it again.
d.please look if Voltage or VxA  of impulse at second  ground is stronger in  given time frame.( Look at all DC and AC components.
Oscilloscope and Spectrum analyzer  gives you  information about  frequency distribution, harmonics and its amplitude !!!, bandwidth and distortion)
Look also at time delay and phase for AC or AC component of DC.
e.  Employ spark Gap  ( spark Gap has NEGATIVE RESISTANCE) and HV and repeat  measurement again.
Note :If AC train of impulses is tested than generator  can be:
e'  - floating ( not connected to the ground  by insulation  transformer and impulse is delivered by one  wire only) or ( powered from batteries) ( that includes manually triggered  single impulses as well)
e'' - connected to the electrical ground from  electrical outlet  and powered by batteries
e'''- connected  to/ and powered from  electrical  outlet
f.  create another loop (-separate DC loop) using ground  and check if AC loop is interfering with  DC loop.
Note: make sure that these two   separate AC and DC loops are equal in Voltage .
g. you may decide now to  place in AC circuit tunable LC Network  after you have done all points
from above. 
I know what I'm talking about.
The choice is yours.
for lazy folks look from here https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=474
for not  so much  lazy folks look  from here https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=443

h. if you see difference of potentials  between any of two grounds such as:
h'   -first ground  wire and cold water pipe
h''  -first ground wire and Russian type of heating  system ( cast iron  radiators)
h''' - first  ground wire and  0 from electrical  outlets or combination of it
than  do not think for the moment  why  you have it, but apply primary of Tesla  coil into it ( using LC tunable )  and  measure the voltage  between two ends of secondary using HV probe.
In my link from above for lazy and not lazy folks  I have shown  a Transformer  with the air gap near vicinity of Tesla coil  ( that is our   regular HV from CRT ) ( You may play with one winding only - the  primary.) ( however  if you intend to use secondary  to couple to LC network than , use as low winds  winding section  of primary as possible  ,  to get the highest voltage at secondary)
Air gap acts as temporary energy storage. you can also have LC network connected to it
Note:
in general it is not important how device looks like.
- Matching of impedance gives you energy transfer
- matching of resonance  (even without  impedance matching  is like matching impedance, that) means  you have energy transfer :
In resonance all reactances are canceled leaving only pure resistive component  of impedance (resistance) (as if it was DC where  there is none of reactive  components and there is no impedance )that is why it is important to have thick ground wire and if possible thick primary of Tesla Coil.
"thick" means  surface of the wire....( so copper tubing is very much OK) due to  Skin Current for AC.
i. It was  noticed that look with earth connection as earth wire was  few times more battery saving than the same loop  that used two aerial wires
Please  press https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=617, and immediately stop video.  On the left hand side page  on the  top read from words :
Quote

    some early experimenters...

it says about telluric generators , telluric current and battery life when ground is imposed .



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Think like you are in 1900 ( just for the moment)
Point #2 serves as an explanation of  ground behavior :
* do not omit  "star"

2. Old telegraph from 1834 to 1963 was working based on DC interrupted that means leading  edge and falling edge is your AC component of
DC  from 24 to 36V battery ( original Voltage of US telegraph company spec.)
a. it means  that few thousands miles long line  with return  using earth ground  was powered by this battery( in some places it was direct one loop in other places it was series of loops separated and forming  another loop.)
b. AC and DC coexists  in the ground separate loops not being able to see each other. ( *unless - conditions allows for such interaction)
c. Telluric Current was interacting with all of the loops despite the fact if it  was chain of isolated telegraph loops or just one.  ( but not causing  much of the problems or none or the problems - * applies)
d.  it was noticed that  using  earth as  e return wire ( means of connection) saves battery life  anywhere from 50% to  hundreds of %
Notice : there  is no such thing as more that 100%  of  energy saving that is why some scientist  of that time (1900) where trying to explain earth  as energy  reservoir
e. https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=746 VOID schematic has a lot of sense( Thank you Void)

Summary:
-You looking  for  FE ( Energy for Free)  my friends
American telegraph was making plenty of money ,  not only  because of its business, but because of utilizing natural phenomena  and  saving on cost.
-You want to find what Tariel was/wasn't  about do this simple test.

Wesley

[Chet K]

METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR EXTRACTING AND CONVEYING ELECTRICAL ENERGY FROM THE EARTH IONOSPHERE CAVITY




US20150102676 Patent.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c2/73/cd/ed546d4872c866/US20150102676A1.pdf


related ?[his name iis on the above patent
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.engineering.electrical/iGvb86LXMFA

from Wesley thread here
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/750/

[Chet K]

another Earth energy extractor filed in 2014 Granted 2017

same fellows apparently...plus a new guy ?

https://earthenergies.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/US-Patent-9564268.pdf

[TinselKoala]

Are Tesla's patents being recycled now?

[TinMan]

Are Tesla's patents being recycled now?

And they will be 50 years from now.

Say Tesla,and everyone comes running.


Brad

[TinselKoala]

Yep. Or... do the same stuff, but _don't_ mention Tesla... that's even better.

[Chet K]

well
I hope to be able to speak with the inventor
just for perspective.