The Jigs Up !

[Duncan]

  seasons greetings all .. I have decided to see if I can fit a full working multi Kw system and explain what drives it in one post ... here we go
Consider this ... I believe the Jig is up , the game is over , the Intimidation is now just a waste of time. The nay sayers and power in /power out cretins are from this point forward pissing into the wind and the more they spout their power in power out rubbish the more puerile they will look.
The Dam has burst ladies and gentlemen it is well and truly fractured . To be a little more descriptive its been bulldozed . The genie has popped out of the bottle and won't go back in !
That being so there are skilled engineers and technicians on this forum that can make this system very much better once the concept is fully grasped  .. having then considered what is happening and why I think its quite feasible to produce  a totally free standing 5kw machine  that requires no external input of any sort for about $500 but I would like you to consider ways that this principle could be done a/ at lower cost and b/ made as a demonstration model so as to smash through the mental blindness of lots of people

Why the genie wont go back in .. believe it or not our lovely world is quite benign to we humans if you happen to believe in a god and that life is a precious natural thing to be enjoyed and shared .
It is other forces that make life intolerable for huge sections of humanity .. People living on the very edge of life in oil rich countries is a typical example of the stinking rot we have allowed to infest the world. And the filthy nature of the so called elite. Do you find it at all surprising that an energy solution should emerge from this sector ... where Its so very badly needed and in fact essential to life? These people may not fully understand how what they are doing works .. only that it does .. unlike most of us they hurry to share the information with others .. after all its a life and death issue for them not simply profit and greed as it is for most. Or much worse control and enslavement regarding tptb (the powers that be) so what has happened is really a revolution and its been grouped loosely together under the term Q-mo-gens by Stirling Allen you will see there are many known  examples being produced around the world in many different countries .. there are of hundreds more not in print .

http://qmogen.com

This is why I say the jig is up! There are of course language problems as these determined folks try to explain how and why this system works when they don't fully understand themselves. However I  happen to speak an African tongue and I had a very long conversation regarding how these things are set up .. the rest I have worked out .
Very odd that the very people we have been trying to help have resolved the issue .. but with your help ladies and gentlemen I think we can return the information we have gained with compound interest ... we may even move the cankerous rot of the ruling 200, first of course I'm going to have to tell you all exactly how and why these machines work and where the huge amounts of extra energy come from ... then perhaps we can do it better ...

first a little about lying .. for a  false tale to work there must be an  element of truth thus one of the most infamous teller of lies Albert Einstein must have told a big truth at some stage, He did it was this maxim known by every ten year old school child

"Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another."

Well It may be known to primary school children but its seemingly a seed that fell on stony ground regarding a large sector of this forum ... power in / power out .. nit wits , There is just as much energy in our universe as ever there was and there ever will be not a penny weight more or less.
The fact that you are to stupid to know how to measure it and don't have the instruments to see it is neither here nor there It is you who are stupid and deficient not the law ... the law holds good
I no longer have much patience with morons of this ilk .. far better if you are one of those fools that believe it can't be done that you vacate the room and leave it free for those who are actually doing it!
Good my friends that are left .. there is much to learn and absorb far more than I can explain without help and links and video  so let me draw the picture for you and hope you take the time and trouble to learn the principles ... first I want you to watch these two video's I assure you they are both legitimate in every way .. I'll bet my house on it
It is the engineering and reason why it works I am driving to get across .. and its not mechanical odd as that may seem ... Its actually RF engineering still at this stage I want you to specifically look for similarities between these two machines

You can look at any of the other incarnations of course .. but what I want you specifically to notice is the primary drive motor is hopelessly small and totally incapable of driving the load  .. It either has to be turned on and off .. or assisted by a power drill .. this is done by design its essentual that those motors be stressed almost to a stall as they operate .. for reasons I'll expand on in a short while .So Any Radio guys can grasp this quickly (and I hope Mikes reading this) The motor is being brutaly forced to act as one of these .. called a variometer .. I'm sure you remember them Mike..



The reason is to tune to series resonance and so attract huge amounts of magnetic current  (radiant energy)

to continue .. please watch this again



This time notice that the plug top that originally drove the small single phase induction motor is also demonstrated to be able to light a lamp after the switch is thrown  .. this then gives another huge injection of knowledge the small induction motor has changed from being a drive motor to being a generator .. This is perfectly understandable for electricians not so for Radio and electronics guys .. here's a basic outline of what has to happen to make that change

http://www.qsl.net/ns8o/Induction_Generator.html

So now girls and boys you know what's in the box  capacitors  which allow the small induction motor to run as a generator and be coupled to the main generator when the change over switch is operated.

This business of coupling AC lines together can be a little hairy ... I used to have to do it now and again between two HT grids on the Zambian copper belt , .. Its why you see the guy fails in one attempt to link the machines ... Had he done that on an HT grid he would no longer be here .. in fact he would be vaporised.
With the hope that you grasp what is happening here this is a demonstration of two generators being coupled. In a much safer way ..

Now please consider what is monitored whilst these generators are coupled  is it voltage or current?
Of course I'm asking you to utter the obvious .. It has to be voltage you cant see current on your instruments .. so the voltages of both machines are locked together  They are 'synchronised ' however the currents are not  so ... In fact that little induction motor is intentionally "stressed "
to such a point that there is a 90Deg phase difference between one machine and the other
In order to try and unite different trade sets that have been taught differently for 130 years  to try and obscure and hide this science I'll put the different words here that mean the same thing to each
for electricians  ..
this condition would be known to you as Power Factor Zero
For Radio engineers and Hams
This condition would be known to you as a Standing wave Ratio of infinity
for electronics Techs
This condition would be known as series Resonance
For Radio Guys the concept is quickly injected by EPD at 1M40s > in this vintage video It is not a concept you will be familiar with as to keep radio guys away from this technology . And Tesla's Wireless systems only parallel resonance has been taught or used .. The bone idle rich filth of the era wanted this technology and the availability of free energy ... Buried I rather hope your all going to help me exhume it

This next little bit is undoubtedly easier for a Radio guy to grasp .. although it isn't accepted technology and the possibility and existence of this wave and type of electricity is strenuously denied by those who enslave us .. again I must use different terms for each Trade set .. for exactly the same thing

We are looking to tune to series  resonance  in order to attract and absorb  .. all these are the same thing .. so choose your flavour

telluric current
Reactive current
who's Name in older text books pre EL is ..
Magnetic current
called by some
Radiant energy (which isn't quite correct as Radiant energy is the electrostatic wave and magnetic current is the resultant transformation at resonance ..Just as in radio the electromagnetic wave is transformed to a voltage at parallel resonance.)

Once set into this highly tuned state .. The original power source can of course be entirely removed
leaving the machine operating on the earth's freely available magnetic current the only real proviso being the flywheel is heavy enough to hold the contraption close to resonance regardless of different loads.

There you are ... simple ... easy Q.E.D ... now please help  make it better !

[Centraflow]

Hi Duncan

Oh yes a variometer, I did hint at this yesterday by asking a question, how can you turn a transformer into a switch to make a passive oscillator!!!! in the TPU thread with Mags.

Duncan, you have let the cat out

Merry christmas to you and yours too

Mike

[Duncan]

Oh I know that only to Well Mike .. Hard to do .. Its the demon Gollum thats in all of us   still Its time for a big change isn't it ? .. I didn't like being threatened by those bastards the last time when I was working on your fracture system   I was simply sitting here alone ... unemployed, (poor as a church mouse at the moment) wondering what I could do to change things a bit .. I think this will .. I hope so anyway Feliz Navidad to you and yours  Mike  

[Duncan]

  Oh yeah That TPU thing I have that principle resolved too as I explained .. but I then had a look at another of the SM video's where the toroid core is cut .. that is an exotic 'soft magnetic' material I can't match ... I am going to try the principle with another core before I confuse people and look silly ... I have had to barter with a Black smith in that regard and not having much ££s  what I want doing is a bit down his pecking order . Still I'll try and prove the issue and report on it, I have managed to get the electronics built that drive the thing then my old rat bag of a scope packed up on me ... Its a while since I have had anything to do with CRTs (and even then I wasn't very  good)   it took me quite a while to find the circuit of this old banger of a scope and some head scratching before I could get down to componet level and resolve the HT issue the whole ancient thing is probably worth about  £6-50 (Gould OS300) and I would dearly love to have just been  able to buy another still needs must and I got to the offending article (a preset pot)...  I used to   wonder howTesla and the like could tune without oscilloscopes Mike so I researched ,,, they used a system akin to two timing lights ... actually far better than a scope they could see linear wave resonance .. we cant

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks, Duncan... so far so good.

Duncan, you have let the cat out

I hope so!  but so far, I don't see the cat in full... 
Hopefully its fully ALIVE and not like Schroedinger's cat in the box.

Ah, I see the GRIN on the cat now...   

[NerzhDishual]

Hello Duncan,

I have rarely read such an interesting and informative post. Thanks a lot.

I am not able to see the urls of the videos you are talking about.
They do not appear on my screen.
Perhaps it is the same for other people?

Fortunately, when I copy you post (using the 'quote' button) , I can see these links.
Here they are:

"Chas Chambell Free Energy Generator Replica - Generating 2340 Watts using 750W"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=98aiISB2DNw

"FREE ENERGY Motor Flywheel energy for freedom"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLLnUOPOQk

"How to operate two generators in parallel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdKAM2Xrtjc

"Part 3 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal Wave Energy SBAR"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZWrjcrPl4

All the Best,

[Duncan]

Thank you .. you can expect all sorts of problems .. I have just cut to the bone, This is exactly what tptb dont want anyone to understand , I feel a little like a soldier might that has just thrown himself on a grenade to try and save others  anyway please dont be selfish .. learn what is happening .. you do have skills and knowledge those poor buggers on the cusp do not have ... I have been wondering for Instance if a bench grinder with its two shafts might be converted .. still grasp the whole and then think and fight for the sake of your children and humanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw

[Chet K]

Duncan
Here they do not even sell the Clicks for profit [no advertisements ,privately funded],you can be assured if there is a replication to be done it will NOT be for business
or private ventures.

thx
Chet

[Duncan]

Hi Chet .. it might be me .. I fall in and out of love with computers if you grasp that there is another system running parellel as EPD has and I am forced to see also you may start to see why I have a jaundice view of computers
anyway ' Gallows humour'...

Its easy to mock the afflicted with what you now should know. However due to tptb and their stinking criminal friends the banksters and the rotten filthy petro dollar many countries are suffering
I include Greece, Spain , and Ireland in the Euro Zone this is rather gallows humour but here's an Irish effort and before I post this let me say I have tried to contact this guy but he's now a nomad and I could not prevail, even now I would be quite happy to use what little I have to try and help this guy .. I would love to be about this machine  he  has become homeless and disposed .. but what a gallant fight !... That's just my opinion, and following this free energy fiasco believe me I've kissed lots and lots of frogs myself and returned no princess. I too have spent .. oh wow what a horrid thought .. anyway This guy was broken on the rack .  The Sub prime fiasco ... shit if that's my friends with a 'special relationship' I sure as hell don't want to meet my enemies .. anyway along with the other countries Ireland found herself  squeezed by this rotten greedy system .. before I invite you to look at his phenomenal effort
I would like to invite you to listen to a little simple ditty the man performs with his friends  regarding his lot now and how he tries to survive, he has luckily retained a belting sense of humour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ79DqWYGI0  

Now its very easy to take the piss knowing what you now  know and I hope are starting to under stand .. know doubt in just a twink of the eye what Duncan Pickthall has just written here will have been your idea's that you knew all along ... anyway just before reading all this you might have done exactly what this guy did ... I'm proud of this guys effort , His spunk and determination .. It turned out a frog .. but he's so... so very close ... It is clear he has thrown everything at this .. Bravo! I would love to get my hands on this effort, wouldn't you ? Knowing what you do now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXBebQzMyQ

[Grumage]

Dear Duncan.

So what has he done wrong ?? My simple theory. Input drive onto the periphery of the flywheel. Not good !! Cancels gravity field. I am not clever enough to go farther but that is how I see it.

On a different note I do have a spare Scopex 1 MHz that is going begging needs a little attention. You are welcome to it if will help you ??


Cheers Grum.

[Duncan]

how very kind grumage .. I have managed to get this banger of a thing working again so for the time being ... regarding what he did wrong well that's far better thrown into the public arena ...  It sounds lunacy if I say the motors are a wireless .. but that's the case and a wireless has to be tuned. the trouble is I can really only explain this as I see it ... I'm sure when a few others grasp the principle and perhaps explain it a little differently you'll quickly see what must be done to make this concept work.
Its much easier to do than to try and explain. The idea of taking an angle grinder to a fast moving car flywheel in order to make adjustments 'in situ' doesn't appeal much to me still that's basically what the African guy I spoke to had done ... not sure the health and safety guys would go a bundle on the technique 

[Rosphere]

...I want you to specifically look for similarities between these two machines

You can look at any of the other incarnations of course...

The first machine is always plugged into the grid after it is started.

The second machine appears to be hiding a cable under the wooden plank that runs under the table.  (It can be seen at 2:20.)

I watched all of the videos posted on the peswiki link provided and found one of three things in common with all of them:

1. Potential path to hide a power source wire.
2. Power source still connected during demonstration.
3. Honest slowing and stop of machine after power disconnect.

If the cat is truly out of the bag then please post some more convincing demonstrations.

[Duncan]

do your own home work ! there are plenty of links off my first post I've explained the operation A to Z if you don't comprehend it start reading -- a video is no proof of anything and never will be, any video can be faked I posted that pair because I wished to emphasise particular issues . Its not my task to spoon feed anyone if you don't believe it can be done then just sling yer hook so the people who are researching and actually doing it can get on.
In the case of there might be a hidden wire there might be a flying pig as well ... but I doubt it. That is actually a prototype machine ... if you visit the web site you'll see its been considerably advanced into a self starting unit, with more filming. you are invited to visit the work shop and inspect the machines which are offered for sale bespoke made at 1 watt / euro ... and no I'm not going to supply you with a link ... I'm not much impressed with your total lack of spade work and very creditable impression of a dullard . I'll be interested to see if you have the nous to find it yourself. not that it will help you any, if that machine were running in front of you .. you still would not believe it   

[PhysicsProf]

Duncan and everyone -- I think Gotoluc and Wings are are talking about interesting progress, and wonder what you-all think of it.

I followed it when an MOT was involved, now luc says you don't need an MOT,
which simplifies.

http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/msg380317/#msg380317

and
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14576-reactive-generator-research-everyone-share-3.html#post247439

[Grumpy]

Having watched these devices crop up over and over for the last decade, I'm not convinced they work as claimed.

[Duncan]

If its just a simple yes or no you want .. then yes It has Merit .. so does the capacitive battery charger that is an off shoot ..

http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.Urm_EvtrTUI

but its horrible tetchy stuff running near series  resonance with it , anyway whilst there's a connection to the grid there is always going to be endless power in / Power out waffle and lots more tosh about instrument error. The mind set is such its almost impossible to shift unless by something someone has built themselfs so they know theres no trickery .. which is preferably looped and self running  . nothing else really works, even showing people a looped machine doesn't work, Its a trick is the assumption ..
I guess that makes this motor thing quite a useful demonstrastion concept .. It will in theory stand alone

[Grumpy]

There are many people building these devices themselves, claiming no trickery, selling plans and complete units, trying to get patents, all the while they are still connected to the grid. 

Bedini, Bearden, and many others misrepresent "radiant electricity" to support their false claims, sell their goods, and dupe more people into believing them.  Bearden's MEG is still not on the market.  I doubt it ever worked as claimed.  Just more carnival acts to attract more dollars from people who don't know any better.  Bedini generators are all over the world, and the owners are still buying electricity, and gas.

As our current energy supplies become more scarce and expensive, you can expect to see a great deal of these devices from all over the world, while the real deal goes unnoticed. 

The man from Russia with no internet appears to have the real deal, and the TPU that he based it on is all but forgotten.

[muDped]

Aye, that pretty much sums it up.

Although, there are some alternatives which are
essentially "free" such as wind, hydro, solar and
anaerobic digestion of vegetable matter and
animal waste to produce methane.  Woodgas is
a bit more difficult but some are having great
success with it.

The free or excess energy which seemingly is
generated by electrical/electronic devices is
"elusive" but to the few who have been granted
access to the true source.

The Big Show is about to begin...

[Duncan]

as far as I know grumpy there is no one selling plans or information regarding this particular system there are simply many people from lots of different countries reporting the system works and demonstrating it as you can see . that one of the producers invites you to his workshop to inspect the machine is certainly not going to make him any money is it ?
having inspected the machine, well of course you can buy one or not, I understand how these machines are working and have also previously built COP>1  machines so I am not afflicted with deep rooted scepticism as for Tom Beardens Meg as far as I know that was never intended for production or sale, or was it ? not a system I know much about but I seem to recall it was also reproduced by JLN labs. there are of course many scams nearly all carried out by tptb as part of the smoke and mirrors operation that's all I know

[NerzhDishual]

Salve a Tutti,

My Christmas lunch is over.
Menu:
Shrimps;
Smoked trout;
Scallops;
Yule log;
Vegetables of 'course'.
+ Champagne (at will) of coarse...

I do like Duncan's posts.
Each of his post gives me the opportunity to consult my HARRAPS and to learn
an unusual (for me)  English word or expression.
Ex: "to go a bundle on something, "waffle", "tosh".
A real pleasure...
---------------------
BTW(), while watching the video: "How to operate two generators in parallel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdKAM2Xrtjc

I remembered another video from P. Lindemman  where he stated, something like
"You can not mix(add) 2 alternative sources".
Sorry I do not recall what this video was.

This consideration is not intended to criticize PL. This person, IMHO, is very knowledgeable.

This reflexion is more about, precisely, "knowledge".
For my part, the more I try to learn something the more I figure out my abyssal ignorance.

So, in this case, it is not indeed a pleasure (for me) to read Ducan's post as I do my best
to do my homework and I'm still not able to catch the trick.
Yes, I could be stupid.
However, bloating appart, I had some success, in my professional life, designing algorithms.
The age, perhaps?

Avec mes plus amicales considérations,
Jean

[Rosphere]

do your own home work ! there are plenty of links off my first post I've explained the operation A to Z if you don't comprehend it start reading -- a video is no proof of anything and never will be, any video can be faked I posted that pair because I wished to emphasise particular issues . Its not my task to spoon feed anyone if you don't believe it can be done then just sling yer hook so the people who are researching and actually doing it can get on.
In the case of there might be a hidden wire there might be a flying pig as well ... but I doubt it. That is actually a prototype machine ... if you visit the web site you'll see its been considerably advanced into a self starting unit, with more filming. you are invited to visit the work shop and inspect the machines which are offered for sale bespoke made at 1 watt / euro ... and no I'm not going to supply you with a link ... I'm not much impressed with your total lack of spade work and very creditable impression of a dullard . I'll be interested to see if you have the nous to find it yourself. not that it will help you any, if that machine were running in front of you .. you still would not believe it   

I am not the one that initiated this topic with rubbish like: "...the Jig is up , the game is over... The nay sayers and power in /power out cretins are from this point forward pissing into the wind... The Dam has burst ladies and gentlemen it is well and truly fractured . To be a little more descriptive its been bulldozed . The genie has popped out of the bottle and won't go back in !"

You wasted my time looking into this nonsense.  Furthermore, if you wish to call me names then you may piss-off.  This is my last response to you, "sir."  Merry fucking Christmas.

[Groundloop]

Hi Duncan,

>>I understand how these machines are working and have also previously built COP>1  machines

Can you provide more information, circuit drawings or other documentation on the COP>1 systems you have built?

GL.

[Duncan]

Christmas Bells ... Prof and Jean and Mike I think you'll enjoy this   I will try and answer both your questions with interest and   perhaps push the door open just a tad more for you Jean    ... a year or so ago I travelled a hundred miles or so to an ancient church and I sneaked in and unobserved climbed the bell tower ... I simply stood in awe knowing two giants of science had stood in this same cramped space and resolved things our present windbags can't get near. One also forced the other to hide and conceal the effects they had unearthed .. in this respect long before electricity was generated or batteries discovered  one avenue of free energy emerged ... and just like now it was cloaked  .. I am writing of events hundreds of years ago and although I can verify huge amounts of this I needs must beg a little poetic licence in order to hold shape and form. Also Its far easier for me to follow my original trail rather than try and beat a new path.
First Jean let me do my best to explain why despite knowing how and why these machines work. I can't easily explain it, My language skills are not capable, The words do not exist to give description to the effect ... But I can try very hard to work around that, so lets see Just why Gotoluc's machine works , and how I can see the other machine I described works
For those hopeless Numpties (doubt you'll find that in you dictionary  Jean a numpty is slang for idiot) who simply don't believe I must write 'if' here however keep in mind It isn't if for me it a certainty and that radically alters my approach still for arguments sake IF there were a sea of available energy what would be the chances of tptb keeping it hidden for hundreds of years from people desperately seeking it ? You who don't or cant believe obviously would think .. ergo it doesn't exist so    Infinite, Conversely I have built enough machines that go COP>1 I really cant be bothered building any more unless I can see a way to do it better. Still If the odds of one source of energy being hidden by tptb are so very high pray what do you think the odds of another also being hidden ? For you sceptics obviously infinity squared , for me the answer of a second source is obviously about the same as you must view the first instance . Astronomical . This next step is then quite easy and logical ' all of these machines must be driven from the identical source'  And that is true but its sometimes very difficult to work out how the effect is engineered by the various successful mechanics . Some that seem as if they should be very simple to resolve like Orffyreus' Wheel  become very difficult to resolve whilst other systems are quite easy to resolve . So I guess as the prof asks what I think of gotoluc's efforts  what he really wants to know although hasn't quite phrased the question so .. Is how do you know it works,?  ..  where as your question Jean might be -- can you explain simply how it works? Mike however knows it works .. but would love to know how to do it better. To quote again one of the few truths of this traitor Einstein
 
'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.'

added to This an observation by another Giant in the Field ,Henry Moray

The term Moray has used to describe that source of energy coming from the cosmos to earth and radiating from the earth back from whence it came. This is the energy the Moray device captures and could be described as those particles of energy pervading all space.

Both men are of course describing the same thing, some may call radiant energy This energy is there you simply do not know how to access and use it . It is there mechanically and electrically I know only to well how to access it. And I know the common components that have to be in place that is how I know the system works ... I don't really build machines any more I am far more interested in the history the skulduggery and where things have been hidden and obfuscated in maths and science .. I really only take an interest in construction now If its a very interesting enigma.
So This sea of energy .. you can view it if you like rather like being under water with a bucket the water being the energy .. you may have a bucket of water(energy) but alas It is just the same as all the other water  around you It has no shape or form  . Quite worthless . It may as well be so much sand scattered on the beach . Mathematicians have a word that explains this, Chaos . The useless windbags we have now can't resolve Chaos or at least wont admit to it, and vigorously deny the existence of the wave that can do it .. and the technology behind it ... Its secret see. I would like you to consider now those two appendages flapping on the sides of your Head your ears .. and how they work .. There is an ear drum and it is moved backward and forwards laterally ... This can only be done then by a linear impulse wave (The very wave whose existence is denied and the technology buried at higher frequencies)
Now consider a loud speaker AC current may go in, but how does the cone move ? Why backwards and forwards so as to produce a linear wave (you know the one that doesn't exist) so sound is a linear wave ... It has to be that's how your ears work (mine too I expect) having established just what a linear wave is for you Jean as opposed to the transverse wave which is very different . And also hoping you have the chaos of the sand in mind and now you know for certain that sound is a linear wave .. Let me Introduce you to a Miracle .. you may not think order from chaos is a miracle But Its Huge Jean and absolutely key

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w

Here then is the first crucial must have for each and every COP>1 machine to work . It must be series resonant to the linear wave which is electrostatic  in order to transform from the huge sea of energy whatever you wish to use. And it can only do that in a resonant state. Now you have no doubt noticed that there are different resonant points .. well if I were to whisper to Mike there is a x6 relationship there I'll bet one of my old boots he goes back for another look.

Our power in/ power out .. highly paid cretinous Windbags of today know nothing of this wave Jean .. nothing they are going to tell us anyway.  
You'll see this effect is put down to a German guy called called Ernst Chladni and hence referred to as Chladni figures oh how very wrong .. The effect was demonstrated  investigated and mathematically resolved many years earlier by two giants of British science or more specifically resolved by one and plagiarised by the other . Every school child knows of Isaac Newton of course alas he's the villain of the piece . It is one of his lesser know although perhaps much more astute contemporaries Robert Hooke,  on who we must cast our curious  gaze I doubt you recall the name at all except perhaps from Hookes law of elasticity, he was doing the experiment you have just watched in the early 1600s  of course he didn't have a sonic transducer ... he did however have a piece of glass and a violin Bow and a very good ear for music. He obviously knew it had to be a linear wave .. he learnt how to play shapes .
Robert had written a long thesis on Gravity a considerable time before Newton Indeed were I to tell you that Newton was obliged to wait for the death  of Hooke   before he dare publish 'his' work it should speak volumes to you. Hooke could not tolerate Newton at all as time went on , In that respect nothing has changed in this technology  ... bribery and intimidation and suppressed information.
If there really were to be any 'shoulders of a giants' Newton was standing on,  It was Robert Hookes except of course he was jumping up and down on them with Hob nail boots on.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100516224919AAqgR5K

The same things were being hidden then as are being hidden now ... Hookes laws of gravity gave the true picture . Newtons condensed and altered  version only shows what the sheeple should know.
Churches played a much bigger role in English life in the 1600s they were the centre of village life and although Newton had problems with some aspects of Christianity particularly the trilogy he responded when his small village church contacted him with a request ... Having a wealthy member of the congregation had certain advantages! and this little church had big Idea's ...bells Esmeralda more bells Bells a matching set no less! To ring a sweet peal in tune ! Not to be too greedy the plan was to add one bell at a time  to the
single bell which as you'll see from the last page of this PDF was caste and swung in 1611
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http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CF0QFjAF&url=http://parishes.lincolnshire.gov.uk/Files/Parish/418/StJohnChurchhistoryGuide_A5.pdf&ei=FJO6UsToGImphAfTsIDgAg&usg=AFQjCNH7h25thqvzc6ZllkkKxPBAo868bw&sig2=nuIQG0RAasc855xJqRBy4A

Ah .. but how to physically cast the bell ... to what size and dimension must you caste the bell and tons of bell iron to match the bells ? What size to be in harmony ? What size must the bell be? What proportions?  Well .. lets ask our famous man .... Newton . Now I hope you grasp here what is being considered is the physical relationship between the linear wave (the one that doesn't exist) and resonance .. exactly what our wooden tops don't seem to know today for all their hot air.

Newton didn't really know all the answers but he knew a man a man who did seem to know quite a lot about the linear wave , resonant points,and  what creates them

So it came to pass on a blustery afternoon  in October  1673 two of the greatest men of science one irascible and curt the other open handed and friendly viewed a very old bell and considered how it might be matched , that they resolved the issue is beyond doubt , the bells matched perfectly .
However the whole world of music was forever altered ... along with the meanings of a lot of words ... IMHO the corruption started here. It leeches into the teaching of maths and science at every level.
There are now for instance two terms that are totally miss understood by Musicians , teachers and RF engineers .. they use the same word .. some interchange them .  The truth is None understand and that's how tptb would very much like it to stay! The two words are Overtones and harmonics
musicians tend to think its possible that an overtone can also be a harmonic , and as far as their teaching goes so it can. But only because Isaac Newton altered the musical scaling following his dealings with bells and the linear wave. The scale was also convenient as it allowed a standard keyboard to be used ... However nature and creation have no such limitations .. with Gods music an overtone is never a harmonic  .. if you were to make an instrument  to play natures tunes every key would require its own keyboard.... EPD explains so here ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9N34dawm00

I may seem to be dwelling on harmonics and overtones .. but If I tell you now that electricity is also made up of these two components and  you might be more  familiar with them  as EMF and back EMF and it is possible to to convert both to advantage once you have learnt which is which pehaps you see  importance of trying to understand that which is obfuscated.
Perhaps you may see the difference better  here and grasp it better ..
When counting .. harmonics are never overtones

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-harmonics.htm

When counting .. harmonics are never overtones  

for radio guys it is probably just accepted, being familiar with crystal oscillators you will know quite well enough that its possible to run them in overtone (odds) or harmonic (evens) and in theory follow to progression to infinity. The overtone progression is normally started in a state of series resonant drive  whilst  the  harmonic progression is started with a parallel resonant drive.
You have perhaps never stopped to view the issue this way but of course you are actually splitting electricity in half along those exact same musical lines .. here's a memory jog for you ..

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http://www.northcountryradio.com/PDFs/070302007.pdf&ei=_au6UqSHIcGihgeSw4HgDg&usg=AFQjCNHjBwOyppkR0aYbtXUYA2ZpqpaoTA&sig2=-CapuQUxpG9nDCfIoGCqWw

It Has just crossed my mind Mike that this paragraph  might explain this all quite perfectly to you at
least  remember long ago on a far away planet in distant galaxy ? Remember x6 F and what it did ?

http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774


Two ' perfect sine' given the Space? And opportunity to decay into perfect chaos at some point in far off infinity.
Here then is the reverse total chaos being perfectly formed by resonant action into those two components which combined make up the whole ..  the overtones and the harmonics the x6 ratio is still there cumulative on 6 (hence Tesla's 3 6 9)  to realise a very powerful machine it is important that they are not allowed to recombine but rather one of them be reversed and used in advantage with the other.. This is done in practice by various means including magnetic reversal or spark gaps.

So I went to see the bells simply to be at the same place as these two clever men and wonder what it was exactly that decided the course of action the best part of 400 hundred years ago  that began the deception , and the lies , greed ? Money ? Who knows I came to no conclusion .

(Ps Jean I'm sure what PL meant to say is .. two AC sources of different frequencies )  he just got a bit lazey and didnt write it

[Duncan]

Good .. Ho ho ho and a happy new year to you. 

[Duncan]

yeah just go over to energetics forum and follow the 3BGS thread ... done by many and me  .. not stable and difficult to control but .. good  fun! you also might like to check out the magnetic motors of hatem I posted here .. both sets of build plans are with them   having said all that I dont jump though hoops for anyone and I've got the rest of my own life to get on with and my on projects and interests . I do like to try a help of course (depending on approach) still the basics of the Hatem machine can be proved for the price of four magnets  from there on its basic  engineering  pure and simple that is either magnets are are stronger in attraction than repulsion or they are not ..  . best wishes