Filter capacitors

[darkspeed]

Im guessing these are DC filter capacitors with a bleed resistor.. anyone disagree?

[Peterae]

Definatley an electrolytic shame we can read those batch codes and manufacturer code.
The device on top is not quiet right for a resistor, may just be a bad or lack of colour but the background colour is too bright for a resistor i know of, but panasonic tv's used a similar device on it's tube base to protect against >200V flashover but it's impossible to be sure.

Also interestingly maybe this gives some clues.
This LTPU seems to have 2 supplys and 2 torroids in the middle, so maybe they need seperate supplys and then uses a single stage output, i think it's less likely this uses 2 supplys for push/pull mode because of the 2 seperate center toroids.
So why does he need 2 isolated drive modules to get a larger output, why not just beef up a single stage, and i guess the answer to this is because he already developed a stage that worked but wasnt easily upable in power because of component limitations, and hence was much easier to just use 2 drive modules, as the wires from each toroid run to different places, i think if i remember correctly one set to left of opening in ring and one set to right side of opening in ring then it maybe the case that one was driving clockwise and the other anti clockwise which created a much larger effect on the output(Guessing)

[darkspeed]

Could it be a feed-through capacitor? on top of a DC capacitor?

http://www.mgs4u.com/RF-Microwave/pictures/5000pf_feedthrough.jpg

[poynt99]

I wouldn't completely discount them as being resistors, either as bleed resistors (I posted such a few years ago as z_p_e), or perhaps equalizing resistors.

Also, they may be some type of diode.

I doubt they would be feedthrough caps., imho.

.99

[darkspeed]

I could see the importance of bleeding down the filter caps when the device is shut down..

[wattsup]

Bleeding resistors would be counter productive in an OU device.

I think it was Giantkiller that confirmed they were diodes. Also, those two caps are in series. Probably 400v each to make the 800 volt rating

If you want a good LTPU diagram, I had made one way back.

Go here;

http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Steven%20Mark/wattsup-tpu/

and click on the
SM17-WD-1-small.jpg or the bigger ones.

You will have much more there so enjoy.

wattsup

[BEP]

Maybe it is only because I used them back in the 70-80's but it is a diode - no bout a-dout it.

The bands are nearest one end (the cathode). Aerospace and military types usually had a very wide white band with 2, 3 or 4 color bands painted over the white band.
The gold bonded germanium higher current types were quite large and fast. The construction was much like a miniature modern cola can except the cathode end was filled with glass or epoxy. These would have been good at charging a cap with very fast and short duration spikes.

Silicon types looked much the same but I don't recall any that large.

IMO, the caps are storage banks providing power to the two separate mini-TPUs and the diodes keep the caps charged from the mid-level collector.
The caps aren't in series. One terminal of each is tied to a common power bus.

[darkspeed]

Thanks guys! Big help!

[darkspeed]

almost...

[BEP]

I've been staring at it since 2007. It has always been a diode in my view.

[wattsup]

@WaveWatcher

Thanks for your diode chart that spells out diode very well. But they are in series. I had followed that end of the LTPU with close up motion for so long and had mapped it out on the diagram at the above link. Also, there is no point in having those coils is parallel.
plus, the LTPU voltage rating was in the 800's. Two 400v caps is series makes sense and agrees with the video.

[Grumpy]

POST 2 by "spherics":
It appears I have been too brief in my presentation. I truly believed that there would be a group here who would be able to make the leap between the Steven Mark devices you are familiar with and the design that I showed.

Firstly although this has been mooted I am not Jack. All I will say is the interview says more about the character of Jack than it does Steven Mark. I will also add that the SM device uses rotation. I say this without doubt and Jack is wrong in saying rotation is not necessary.

I will now talk about the Steven Mark designs you have seen in the videos and the like so you will understand why my design at the start of this message works.

The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

No doubt this may be disconcerting to many who have fond references to baling wire, iron wire and the like. I will now digress onto the circumstance surrounding the initial eureka moment as I understand them. Audiophiles who frequent this watering-hole will no doubt have heard of QUAD ESL electrostatic speakers. An essential design element is the incoming signal is sent into, I believe, 7 or 8 progressive delay elements. These elements delay the signal by microseconds each time.

As part of experiments, associated with what would become his 3D spacial control patents, he was using these delay elements with custom made bifilar wound voice coils (i.e. air coils) and unexpectedly detected an anomolous signal on his spectrum analyser.

Steven Mark created his own delay elements using iron wire after several years of intermittent experimentation. The technique was to carefully wrap a bifilar air-coil using copper wire. The longer the length of copper the better but using identical lengths. The two coils were connected to the SAME pulse waveforms in parallel so that the magnetic field is additive NOT cancelling. The delay element was added in series to only one of the coils that made up the bifilar coil. The delay coil was made from insulated iron wire wound into an air coil. An oscilloscope was connected to both COPPER coils. The setup would be pulsed with a dc offset square wave (i.e. 0 to 20V not -10 to 10V) at the resonant frequency of the bifilar coils. The tuning consisted of cutting the iron wire down in length until an unexpected pulse/signal appeared. This pulse is the kick. I will refer to these tuned bifilar coils as kick coils.

You are privy to the information that the COMP field is nulled by iron. Those who so wish may like to take some time to fully comprehend the frustrations of closely packing the delay and bifilar coils together only to find the unexpected pulse was no longer appearing!!!  This is what SM had to contend. And Jack says SM was not technical. Bunkum!!

From traditional electrical engineering view point the kick coils for a particular quantity of energy now put out the expected magnetic field but also put out the COMP field which has effects like a magnetic field. In a world that excludes the ether, these coils are overunity. If the world took into account the ether, then the coils would not be thought of as overunity.

The magnetic field is now larger than expected. All that needs to be done is to rotate this field in a circle and intercept the field with an output coil. The captured energy is greater than the input energy because of the energy apparently created by the COMP field. If you arrange all N poles of the kicker coils so that they point towards the center and pulse each coil in turn you will get a rotating magnetic field. There are many ways to create a rotating magnetic field. A secondary effect of a rotating field is the entrainment of the COMP field so that the pattern in the ether is partially additive. A big problem was the iron in the delay coils. It was found that a large solenoid fed with a DC current to produce a static magnetic field around all of the kicker coils allowed the kicker coils to be tuned with the iron delay coils in close proximity.

Intercepting only N poles of the kicker coils means you get a DC output along with a smaller induced ripple from pulsing the kicker coils.

Feedback of the output into the input was achieved using toroidal saturable inductor switches. I've copied the picture from other messages of the inductor switches. Refer to the patent for an example to see how these switches are used. Early designs used a small magnet to bias the saturable inductors.

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

My design shown at the very start of this message thread eliminated the need for an iron delay coil because the pattern is set up in the ether outside of the influence of copper metal of the control coils. It directly allows the COMP field to be generated IN FREE SPACE. By placing the output toroidal coil within this free space the COMP field is intercepted. The complete lack of any magnetic materials within this design is what allows this to happen.

I do believe there are elements of information here that you will not have been aware of before. I trust this is enough to convince at least some of you to reflect and ponder more seriously on this material.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19820016542_1982016542.pdf

[szaxx]

Grumps and All,
Decisive info as usual thanks for the reminder. Anyone  replicating please understand this info. Its in YOUR BEST interests.
Is there a formula to calculate the delay assuming its a magnetic component?

[wattsup]

@Grumpy

Check this article.

www.onethingaudio.net/FOR/QUA/63/PDF/9512-QUA-63-REV-RK.pdf

See any parallels?

Added.

About Spherics post, I can say that after a good year of experiments, his depiction does have some tempting aspects that will be tried soon enough.

[Grumpy]

The SM designs all work on the same set of principles. A pulse into a coil generates an expanding magnetic field. The magnetic field comes into being by an underlying patterning of the ether. It is a cascade action on the part of the ether that causes the EFFECT of an expanding magnetic field. If you then cause a second magnetic field to expand through the same space as the already expanding magnetic field, a specific cascading action, a pattern is setup in the ether which is the EQUIVALENT of a magnetic field and has many of the characteristics of a magnetic field. By this I mean it will interact with metals, and cause the EFFECT of a current, IF the field is moving across the metal.  I will refer to this field as a COMP field from now on. But please be clear this COMP field is in addition to the expected magnetic field. This COMP field, a patterning in the ether, is dampened and effectively nulled by magnetic metals. This is why if you are using an iron core in the coils named control coils you will never get a working TPU.

A pulse into a coil creates and expanding magnetic field.  How is this possible when the pulse has minimal current?

[szaxx]

Hi All

Trying to get a 'feel' of this comp wave. It is analogous to the cracking of a whip but in reverse.
The timing required must be precise and VERY FAST with respect to the expanding energy field. As stated earlier it appears from a expanding fields and the ethers reaction to being disturbed from natural equilibrium imho permits this through its elasticity.
Once the field is expanding a second field requires less energy to continue in the same direction. Think on the cannon hint! as the ether has been pushed slightly forward with the 1st pulse and its elastic like recovery sends it too far in the oppostie direction from equilibrium and at this precise point a second pulse is energised into the ether it will travel (so to speak) a little further away from equilibrium as the first pulse setup, A gain in energy ....
A simple example may be moving your car by pushing it up a slight hill.
If its stationary its much harder than if already moving slowly, the energy required seems easier once it gets going.....
Just a thought...
Steve.

[darkspeed]

Are you saying there is an EM escape  velocity?

One large inital pulse backed up by a pulse train of lower amplitude pulses?

[Grumpy]

repeated pulses at same amplitude

timed to reinforce the field - similar to a build up of force during resonance

I think it helps to NOT consider it some form of amplification but rather another form of induction that is more effcient than conventional magnetic induction, or conversion of the potential energy of the vacuum, ether, or fields into dynamic energy (electricity).

Some other interesting comments were made about the "Molin-Martinez Device":

Someone mentioned the Alberto Molina-Martinez device as being the same. It would appear at a casual glancing at the patent to be chock full to the brim with iron/steel and other magnetic materials which I have said ad nausium is a no-no. Also the 3 phase pickup coils use the same coil structure and location as the 3 phase generating coils. As soon as the pickup coils are induced they will reflect a pattern in the ether back on the generating coils and any advantage will be lost. There are also no pulses timed to cause an overlap of ether waves in the proximity of the pickup coil nor is there any directional biasing.

(Molina-Martinez later came on the forum and stated that his referenced device was operated as a transformer and was not OU as he originally believed when he applied for the patent.)

[darkspeed]

Ok a wild guess here..

I have a friend who repairs tube amps and I had him look at the photo..

He said siemens made a 500v all black filter capacitor for tube amps that had minimal writing on it, the writing was sideways and one line of the writing was LL LL LL LL which stood for low loss.

He also said that he the part across the cap looks like a fast drain resistor..

[szaxx]

A diode across an electrolytic cap is used to prevent reverse bias damage. A zener is used to prevent overvoltage but this is so basic. a diode can be used this way to supply a voltage bias with others for level shifting still basic, question is, is it a diode? Not having much to go on either each idea must be eliminated with known possibilities until the most applicable is left. Assumptions then made of possible operations for the device and when exhausted start again. Oh the enigma, sweet as it is. Is it in all the units? Simple to ask or only in the larger ones? Too many questions not yet answered but a good stab at its operation does exist. Filter caps or HV storage for the pulse would be a good first to find.
The other comment I made  would require delay time respect to frequency and the actual size of the coil is important too. Ether and its constants Uo, C, ....would then allow a tangible theoretical outlook for this comp energies OU utilisation.
So much to do but learning all the time.

[Grumpy]

All SM devices had small batteries to power the LC oscillators. The LC oscillators were used as control pulse currents to the saturable inductors. To start the process high voltage capacitors were step charged, this is why the coils took time to start-up! The first few pulses came from these pre-charged capacitors being switched via saturable inductors. Part of the DC output was feedback to keep the capacitors fully charged.

[szaxx]

Hi grumps,
Came across a 4 core device for steepening up the pulse rise and fall time and the width of the pulse was shorter too. Ive posted the details a while ago. Came across it when working on  kick magnet control units for a certain company (NDC) applies  unfortunately.

Saturable inductor control unit .....YOU, will understand.
US 4707619 is the patent number.
From the mid 80's and an interesting item re the pulse amplitude, as a slower pulse is much easier to create, this would UP it somewhat!

Cheers Steve.

[the_big_m_in_ok]

Saturable inductor control unit .....YOU, will understand.
US 4707619 is the patent number.
From the mid 80's and an interesting item re the pulse amplitude, as a slower pulse is much easier to create, this would UP it somewhat!

All who see this:
FYI, download the patent from  www.google.com/advanced_patent_search ,
Also,
www.pat2pdf.org

http://www.google.com/patents?id=QlMyAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

[BEP]

@wattsup,

Please don't connect two 400V caps in series and apply 800V without safety glasses. A 350 or 400V electrolytic is about what I would use on a 150V circuit.

The electrostatic speakers are a wonder. They seem simple but I doubt they are. I really like the delay lines being used to create shaped wave from a flat surface.

@all

One thing bothers me, even on my choice of diode over something else.... how many axial lead diodes, resistors, caps, thermal fuses, delay lines, inductors, etc, etc. do you see with very long lead length? At what point does the lead end and the wire begin?

BTW: What is that white thing (yellow arrow pointing to it)? A SIDAC/DIAC perhaps?

[Grumpy]

let's take a different approach to the caps:



http://www.google.com/patents?id=FskCAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false

step charging - like he said