"COOL JOULE" makes a claim

[Chet K]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41cfHcb7qd8
also being discussed here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20335-radiant-spike-puts-out-more-than-current.html?s=b3d60c1a2678c607133a4734070229c0

[TinMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41cfHcb7qd8
also being discussed here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20335-radiant-spike-puts-out-more-than-current.html?s=b3d60c1a2678c607133a4734070229c0

Oh dear 

[TinMan]

Quote : Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil.

Um-no.

Quote: The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.

Only they dont know what there doing.
Energy over time seems to be slipping right over there head's.

[Allcanadian]

Interesting and it isn't Energy over time but power over time which is Energy. Sometimes it is the most benign events which can have the most profound meaning... did anyone catch it?, the LED's. You see I know very many people who understand power but very few who truly understand the construct of Energy. Can anyone tell me why the center LED's generally always blows first?. Why not the first or the last, why the center?.

AC

[TinselKoala]

Energy over time.... like as in Joules / Seconds ... is Power.  Joules per second = Watts.  Power over time.... as in W / S or Watts per second ... is a rate of change of power, as when a load has changing resistance. Perhaps you mean Power _times_ Time, as in Watt-seconds, which is Energy in Joules.  But that's not really important, just algebra words, we all (here) know what it means. Sometimes people use "over time" to mean "during", which translates to algebra multiplication, but "over" can also describe algebraic division, as in Joules/Second.


But that video... ten and a half minutes I'll never get back. But at least he's got all the ingredients for an Overunity Claim: A maze of colored clipleads, a cheap DMM, some coils and magnets, and of course.... a battery.

The LEGO pendulum is a nice touch though, more fun than a rotor.

Here's my Light-powered Perpendupetulum, which doesn't even have a separate trigger winding, or any battery at all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dMPQs5vpek


(Those 18650 Li-ion batteries are pretty amazing. They have a really flat discharge curve even at pretty high currents. I accidentally shorted one on my bench a few days ago by letting the connector come in contact with some metal. It stayed shorted for a fair few seconds, long enough to heat up the wires and connector to the point of insulation melting and smoking. When I disconnected it from the "short" and measured the voltage it was still at the original charge voltage, it was still in the flat region of the discharge curve.)

[Erfinder]

Quote : Secondary coil puts out many many more times than the primary coil.

Um-no.

Quote: The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.

Only they dont know what there doing.
Energy over time seems to be slipping right over there head's.

You are committing the same crime that you publicly accused me of......specifically, talking about something you cannot possibly know, and so that you know, I am referring to my bench!  I have not shared it with you, and it matters very little to me what your connections may or may not have shared with you, you still no nothing about my bench!

Get this through your thick skin,  I made no claims, I made a statement, whether you get it or not, is your problem.  I have no beef with you, it's clear you have issues with me, hence your taking my "statement" as an attack.  Get over yourself.....its not "your" movement, if you had any sense at all you would "know" my statement COULD NOT, DOES NOT apply to you....SAVVY! 

I had absolutely no desire to post here, however, felt obligated as you took my statement out of context.....you are making a habit of this and its getting old.....really fast!

[TinMan]

 

I had absolutely no desire to post here,

Why dont you like posting in this forum EF ?

you took my statement out of context.....you are making a habit of this and its getting old.....really fast!

I took nothing out of context.....i posted it just as you stated-

Quote: The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.

This is your very reply to cool joules statement-->The secondary coil puts out !many many! more times than the primary.
The fact is-it dose not. What is being shown there is a mechanical/visual version of the joule thief-nothing more. You stated that this is how it's done. Maybe you could explain how what is done then,if it dosnt refer to cool joules experiment.

You are committing the same crime that you publicly accused me of......specifically, talking about something you cannot possibly know,

No im not. I know exactly what is happening with cool joules setup-->which is what you commented on.

and so that you know, I am referring to my bench!

And i was not. I was referring to the DUT,and the comment you posted under that very thread.--->nothing to do with your bench buddy.

I have not shared it with you, and it matters very little to me what your connections may or may not have shared with you, you still no nothing about my bench!

Like i said,i !never! commented on anything to do with your bench,i was commenting on the statements directly related to the video and DUT.

Get this through your thick skin,  I made no claims, I made a statement,

Rubbish. Quote: --because this is how its done.
That is a claim,not a statement.

whether you get it or not, is your problem.  I have no beef with you, it's clear you have issues with me, hence your taking my "statement" as an attack.  Get over yourself.....its not "your" movement, if you had any sense at all you would "know" my statement COULD NOT, DOES NOT apply to you....SAVVY! 
however, felt obligated as

I think your biggest problem EF,is you dont like being wrong,and you hate being corrected. Why not just learn from your mistakes as i have done many times,both here and at OU.com. You will see here many threads where i am learning-take the coils,electric and magnetic field thread for instance-->i continue to learn from my mistakes. You on the other hand love to comment on other peoples work,but have a big hissy fit when others try to correct you. On that note,i have never made comments on your bench work,as we never see any of it--you show nothing.

So how about ! you ! replicate Cool joules DUT,and do some accurate energy(being electrical/magnetic in this case) over time calculations,and then come back and tell us all that this is how it's done.


Brad

[Erfinder]

Why dont you like posting in this forum EF ?

Erfinder, not EF!  Let the assumptions begin....

I took nothing out of context.....i posted it just as you stated-

Quote: The small group who are working on a similar project should take note, because this is how its done (I should also say that this isn't limited to any particular switching model, its a free for all when you know what you're doing.


This is your very reply to cool joules statement-->The secondary coil puts out !many many! more times than the primary.
The fact is-it dose not. What is being shown there is a mechanical/visual version of the joule thief-nothing more. You stated that this is how it's done. Maybe you could explain how what is done then,if it dosnt refer to cool joules experiment.

See....your error is to be found in your assumption to what my statement was referring.  Instead of you asking for clarification, you decided to judge as you have been taught by those who have on several occasions handed you your ass.  You assume that I am in agreement with his claim, I am not, what my statement referred to were some of the relations found in the rig he demonstrated, yes I could have been more specific, however, such is the case when posting on impulse. 

No im not. I know exactly what is happening with cool joules setup-->which is what you commented on.

This is a repeating pattern with you, "you know exactly what's going on" in everyone's setup.... 

And i was not. I was referring to the DUT,and the comment you posted under that very thread.--->nothing to do with your bench buddy.

We aren't friends guy..I am not your buddy.....

Like i said,i !never! commented on anything to do with your bench,i was commenting on the statements directly related to the video and DUT.

Good, you weren't commenting on my bench.  However, your failure was in making an assumption regarding my statement, your dislike for me fueled your post.  All you had to do was ask for clarification, no, you chose to do what you always do in such instances.  You judged first, and are only now asking questions.

Rubbish. Quote: --because this is how its done.
That is a claim,not a statement.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about because you don't know what I am referring to, you assume to know what I am referring to.  I made a statement, you would have demonstrated great wisdom had you asked for clarification.  Had you done so, I would have engaged you with respect, now, you can kiss my ass. 

I think your biggest problem EF,is you dont like being wrong,and you hate being corrected. Why not just learn from your mistakes as i have done many times,both here and at OU.com. You will see here many threads where i am learning-take the coils,electric and magnetic field thread for instance-->i continue to learn from my mistakes. You on the other hand love to comment on other peoples work,but have a big hissy fit when others try to correct you. On that note,i have never made comments on your bench work,as we never see any of it--you show nothing.

Again Brad, it's Erfinder not EF.  Where I come from, everyone's wrong.  You are in the same boat as everyone else.  This is a sinking ship, sailing the high shit seas.  That which you hold for gospel, and allow others to shovel down your throat is shit.  Can I prove this?  Nah.....  Do I need to?  Nope.....  It's pretty clear that mankind has turned this beautiful spaceship into a shit sandwich.  I liked you better before you were converted, when being wrong was a matter of opinion, or perspective, theirs not your own.   I don't mind being corrected, by a fellow seeker, you are no longer a fellow seeker in my opinion. 

You are learning, I agree, you are learning how to forget what attracted you to these types of platforms in the first place....again my opinion.  One minute you speak with the authority of one who has it figured out and will in his own time lead the rest to the promise land, and in the next minute you are the bitch of the guy who tells you how to properly make measurements. 

I have been around for  a while, longer than I care to mention, and one thing I can say with absolute certainty........you aren't the man I once admired and respected. 

As far as my presenting my work, you really think I am going to let you call my work rubbish?  Do you even hear yourself anymore?  Who in the hell do you think you are?  Your attitude is worse than that from those few who can and do speak with authority!  At least they have the decency, and humility to NOT perform a replication of something that the "KNEW IN ADVANCE or OTHERWISE" would not pan out!  No, you do the replication, and piss in the guys face you call peer.  I am reminded of the post I made that started this...the comment about it being better to be pissed off than pissed on.  You took offense, strange behavior from one who publicly pissed on a fellow peer, literally stating the "truth as you see it" that his work was "rubbish.........It's this type that you have become that keeps me content, I know exactly who to approach and when.  As I told you before, you aren't worth the time, not anymore.

So how about ! you ! replicate Cool joules DUT,and do some accurate energy(being electrical/magnetic in this case) over time calculations,and then come back and tell us all that this is how it's done.

Brad

You assume my work isn't related....you assume I haven't been here...If I were looking for what you and others demonstrate, I would do as you suggest. Fact is Tinman, I'm not, my research is removed from the established.  My stuff wouldn't interest you anyway, mindless rubbish.........why in the hell are you still around if you got it all worked out.....(note the lack of question mark.....)

I'm not getting paid for this soooo lets just end it......Savvy!

[T-1000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41cfHcb7qd8
also being discussed here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20335-radiant-spike-puts-out-more-than-current.html?s=b3d60c1a2678c607133a4734070229c0

The efficient energy recovery is always good. And when using square pulse on the coil which got 2 wires in paralel on primary coil bobin (would be 1:1 transformer in other use) the spike from that other coil can be easily passed over diode back to the power supply capacitor for BEMF recovery. This way voids B e d i n i galvanic connection problem.
Also depending on your setup the losses can be minimized then the circuit can run for prolonged time.

P.S> Erfinder and Tinman - the wrestling on the forum never do any good... You better cooperate instead.

[Allcanadian]

@TK

But that video... ten and a half minutes I'll never get back. But at least he's got all the ingredients for an Overunity Claim: A maze of colored clipleads, a cheap DMM, some coils and magnets, and of course.... a battery.

You could think of it this way, you have spent decades chasing free energy and gotten nowhere... so what's another 10 1/2 minutes?. I mean really, and I'm just wasting my time responding to your post which I just realized now so Uhm I guess were done.

AC

[TinMan]

I'm not getting paid for this soooo lets just end it......Savvy!

See....your error is to be found in your assumption to what my statement was referring.  Instead of you asking for clarification, you decided to judge as you have been taught by those who have on several occasions handed you your ass.

By that im guessing you mean-by those who have taught me what i am really seeing,and what is really happening within devices i present? (or so you perceive)

You assume that I am in agreement with his claim, I am not, what my statement referred to were some of the relations found in the rig he demonstrated, yes I could have been more specific, however, such is the case when posting on impulse.

One would have thought you would have also pointed out the very important fact that his claim was incorrect. To me(and others) it looked like you were in agreement with him and his claim when you stated-this is how it's done.

This is a repeating pattern with you, "you know exactly what's going on" in everyone's setup....

Says the man who said my RT was not in anyway the same as JM's generator.
And 2-if it is obvious,then yes,i can tell you what is happening within some one elses device-such as cool joules latest setup being discussed here  .

We aren't friends guy..I am not your buddy.....

Lol-sorry. I guess it's an Aussie thing,and the context it was written under. Easy to understand as to how you missed the sarcasm.

Good, you weren't commenting on my bench.  However, your failure was in making an assumption regarding my statement, your dislike for me fueled your post.  All you had to do was ask for clarification, no, you chose to do what you always do in such instances.  You judged first, and are only now asking questions.

Im asking no question's,nor am i judging. I only commented on your comment.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about because you don't know what I am referring to, you assume to know what I am referring to.  I made a statement, you would have demonstrated great wisdom had you asked for clarification.  Had you done so, I would have engaged you with respect, now, you can kiss my ass.

How to use the flyback to improve a systems efficiency ?
And i kiss no one's ass !! buddy !!

Again Brad, it's Erfinder not EF.  Where I come from, everyone's wrong.  You are in the same boat as everyone else.

No-i have my own boat

This is a sinking ship, sailing the high shit seas.  That which you hold for gospel, and allow others to shovel down your throat is shit.

Before i comment on this-i will ask for clarification Erfinder. What other's are you referring to that are shoveling shit down my throat ?.

Can I prove this?  Nah.....  Do I need to?  Nope.....  It's pretty clear that mankind has turned this beautiful spaceship into a shit sandwich.

Now that we can agree on.

I liked you better before you were converted, when being wrong was a matter of opinion, or perspective, theirs not your own.

In the coming month's,you will see that this is not the case Erfinder. Piece by piece we put the puzzle together. Bit by bit-person by person,we see what they !think ! they know,and how they see things as being a reality.

You are learning, I agree, you are learning how to forget what attracted you to these types of platforms in the first place....again my opinion.  One minute you speak with the authority of one who has it figured out and will in his own time lead the rest to the promise land, and in the next minute you are the bitch of the guy who tells you how to properly make measurements.

Once again-incorrect. I am no one's bitch. As i said,in months to come,you will have to eat your word's,as you have me figured all wrong. Now it is you that have made an incorrect assumption--and a big one.

I have been around for  a while, longer than I care to mention, and one thing I can say with absolute certainty........you aren't the man I once admired and respected.

As i said,soon these words you shall eat.

As far as my presenting my work, you really think I am going to let you call my work rubbish?

Once again-wrong. I have seen some of your work,and i have seen no rubbish.

I am reminded of the post I made that started this...the comment about it being better to be pissed off than pissed on.  You took offense, strange behavior from one who publicly pissed on a fellow peer, literally stating the "truth as you see it" that his work was "rubbish.

And who might that have been?.

It's this type that you have become that keeps me content, I know exactly who to approach and when.  As I told you before, you aren't worth the time, not anymore.

Why? .Because i left the bedini camp behind,and decided to learn-to know what im seeing--no magical radiant energy from a pulse motor that makes it a free energy machine?.

You assume my work isn't related....you assume I haven't been here...If I were looking for what you and others demonstrate, I would do as you suggest. Fact is Tinman, I'm not, my research is removed from the established.  My stuff wouldn't interest you anyway, mindless rubbish.........why in the hell are you still around if you got it all worked out.....(note the lack of question mark.....)

Why are you here on !! overunity research!! if you do not intend on posting any of your finding--in fact,posting nothing at all but talk.

I don't mind being corrected, by a fellow seeker, you are no longer a fellow seeker in my opinion.

It a good thing your opinion means nothing to me then

Who in the hell do you think you are?

Brad

[TinMan]

@TK

You could think of it this way, you have spent decades chasing free energy and gotten nowhere... so what's another 10 1/2 minutes?. I mean really, and I'm just wasting my time responding to your post which I just realized now so Uhm I guess were done.

AC

What we could do is see how easy it is to achieve--which is exactly what im going to do now.
I have LEGO lol.

[Erfinder]

By that im guessing you mean-by those who have taught me what i am really seeing,and what is really happening within devices i present? (or so you perceive)

One would have thought you would have also pointed out the very important fact that his claim was incorrect. To me(and others) it looked like you were in agreement with him and his claim when you stated-this is how it's done.


Says the man who said my RT was not in anyway the same as JM's generator.
And 2-if it is obvious,then yes,i can tell you what is happening within some one elses device-such as cool joules latest setup being discussed here  .

Lol-sorry. I guess it's an Aussie thing,and the context it was written under. Easy to understand as to how you missed the sarcasm.


Im asking no question's,nor am i judging. I only commented on your comment.


How to use the flyback to improve a systems efficiency ?
And i kiss no one's ass !! buddy !!

No-i have my own boat

Before i comment on this-i will ask for clarification Erfinder. What other's are you referring to that are shoveling shit down my throat ?.


Now that we can agree on.

In the coming month's,you will see that this is not the case Erfinder. Piece by piece we put the puzzle together. Bit by bit-person by person,we see what they !think ! they know,and how they see things as being a reality.

Once again-incorrect. I am no one's bitch. As i said,in months to come,you will have to eat your word's,as you have me figured all wrong. Now it is you that have made an incorrect assumption--and a big one.

As i said,soon these words you shall eat.


Once again-wrong. I have seen some of your work,and i have seen no rubbish.

And who might that have been?.

Why? .Because i left the ###### camp behind,and decided to learn-to know what im seeing--no magical radiant energy from a pulse motor that makes it a free energy machine?.

Why are you here on !! overunity research!! if you do not intend on posting any of your finding--in fact,posting nothing at all but talk.


It a good thing your opinion means nothing to me then

Brad

90% of the folks here don't post....I was invited, to this site....duh.....  Last I checked, its not a requirement that I share anything, and as I pointed out, to you before, I have no interest in sharing my work with an ass hole who has it all figured out anyway......

I can do this all day if you want, however, lets be adults and just ignore each other....

(Note to self, this is the second time I asked Tinman to drop it....)

[TinMan]

I can do this all day if you want, however, lets be adults and just ignore each other....

90% of the folks here don't post....I was invited, to this site....duh.....

Yea-stupid me for recommending you

Last I checked, its not a requirement that I share anything, and as I pointed out, to you before, I have no interest in sharing my work with an ass hole who has it all figured out anyway......

Ah,i see. Resorted to personal insult's now. 
Have i resorted to insults--no.

(Note to self, this is the second time I asked Tinman to drop it....)

Your the one hurling insult's EF<--yes,back to EF. I tried to be civil,and call you by the name you requested. But as you have decided to call me name's other than my own(e.g -Ass hole),then EF is the best you get from me. But knock ya socks of EF,call me what you will. If you choose to go off into lala land,in stead of actually learning how things really are,then away you go.

Why am i here-->im here to learn and provide where i can,while you seem to be set in your way's,and have no room for what others have to say. You say-
Quote:  you are the bitch of the guy who tells you how to properly make measurements.
Where I come from, everyone's wrong.
You are in the same boat as everyone else.
An ass hole who has it all figured out.

Lol-your a hoot EF


Brad

[Erfinder]

Yea-stupid me for recommending you

Ah,i see. Resorted to personal insult's now. 
Have i resorted to insults--no.

Your the one hurling insult's EF<--yes,back to EF. I tried to be civil,and call you by the name you requested. But as you have decided to call me name's other than my own(e.g -Ass hole),then EF is the best you get from me. But knock ya socks of EF,call me what you will. If you choose to go off into lala land,in stead of actually learning how things really are,then away you go.

Why am i here-->im here to learn and provide where i can,while you seem to be set in your way's,and have no room for what others have to say. You say-
Quote:  you are the bitch of the guy who tells you how to properly make measurements.
Where I come from, everyone's wrong.
You are in the same boat as everyone else.
An ass hole who has it all figured out.

Lol-your a hoot EF


Brad

You're a barrel of laughs yourself dick.........

[TinMan]

You're a barrel of laughs yourself dick.........

I'll place that one in the file EF,right next to ass hole.

Anyway,lets move on as you said.
What do you see in the inductive kickback spike that some of us here may be missing?.
You are right--some years back i too thought that is where the answer was to free energy-a Bedini fan for sure. I watched my charge battery rise in voltage faster than the run battery dropped,and the radiant energy was flowing in. But over time i began to see my batteries going flat,and so i started looking a little closer to what was going on-->surface charge dear watson ,and so the journey began toward reality. So is it right just to let cool joule continue on his way thinking he is getting more energy out of his secondary that that of what he is putting into the primary?

It is much like taking a large hammer,and hitting a sheet of glass at a very slow speed,only to find the glass sheet dose not shatter. But then we take a very small hammer,and give it one quick whack,and the glass shatters.

[forest]

Insults and more insults... I said long time ago that once people realize Newton II law is not properly established in electro-science they will be ready to produce many times the input power.Continous power... from magnetic fields.

[Room3327]

Insults and more insults... I said long time ago that once people realize Newton II law is not properly established in electro-science they will be ready to produce many times the input power.Continous power... from magnetic fields.

Won't you please step into the spot light and show us how that is done being you seem to know.

[TinMan]

Won't you please step into the spot light and show us how that is done being you seem to know.

Yes Forest--please do.

[JimBoot]

Well that's a relief - for a second then I thought I was going to have to come down there and give both Erfinder & Brad a clip over the ears.

[Erfinder]

Anyway,lets move on as you said.
What do you see in the inductive kickback spike that some of us here may be missing?.

Words words and more words.....

I don't think you or anyone for that matter can or even should care about what I think is missing Brad.  I once thought that this was a community filled with renegades.  I reread the forum creed the other day and cried (figuratively speaking....)  When did "free energy research" become methods for proper measurement and measurement practices?  As I am a thinking person, I double checked the definition for "energy" and was reminded of the fact that the term itself has no direct relation to measurement or measurement practices....go figure....  It's rather fascinating seeing how the separatists escape the box only to take with them to their camp, tools and practices which are used to build a more ridged box.....(....face palm slap smiley.....) Maybe a name change is in order, or, and this is probably more accurate, I don't belong here.  See, I am looking at how one can do work for free, plain and simple.  I thought this was the magic frequency, or, the common thought that brought us all together.  Equating the idea of "free energy" with "overunity" derailed the runaway train, the train being symbolic of the "free energy" movement. 

The greater percentage of "free energy researchers", have given up the quest for free work, or better stated work at no cost to the operator, as the environment does the work.  As no concrete methods and or mechanism have been found (no one discussing anything anyway....) and there have been several ideas and concepts surface which lead one to believe that the quest for overunity is far simpler, the majority migrated.  In the quest for overunity, the tools for measuring, are the gate keepers, and the laws penned by the elect, are enforced by the skilled with an intensity which can only be compared with fanatical religious fervor.  The  skilled demand strict adherence to the laws, so we find that we police each other.  The hierarchy of the community is established through knowledge of law, the law (words on paper) govern us all.  I thought that is what we were ultimately moving away from?  Instead its now crystal clear that we only moved away from individuals who didn't know how to, nor cared about performing proper measurements.....the pendulum swings.....we are the extreme opposite of those we left on the other forum, and no different from those who enforce the laws penned by the elect.  The neutral position would be ideal....as from that  position we could unite the strengths, and avoid the weakness of both.

So what am I doing here if I'm not looking for the consensus idea of free energy or overunity?  I have said it before, and I will say it again for posterity.  I am not looking for what the majority are looking for.  I desire to exchange with researchers, thinkers, philosophers, those who want more than the ability to demonstrate via measurement, more out than in.  I want what we were promised, I want devices I contemplate and build to sync with Nature.  Scopes and meters aren't going to get us there, and in truth, as I see it, they are the distraction, mechanisms whose true purpose is to prohibit us from looking into the nature of things as we are preoccupied with investigating the nature of the test equipment and procedures.  Has anyone noted the trend?  All experiments of late are generally well thought out, and well prepared, in the presentation, we are familiarized with the individual's ability to setup testing equipment.....the bulk of the presentation is about the testing equipment...the idea being presented.....is secondary.  Most of the brilliant ideas being shared never make it far because the meters indicate that there's nothing to be found in the idea?!?!?!  The perfect time for the word "rubbish".  You aren't going to get the time spent reading this back....

[ion]

Measurements are positively not required for a a stand alone device that delivers many Watts for an extended period, well beyond electrochemical storage means , that is for days, weeks or years without running down.

In such a device measurements are not required but they may be helpful!

Even the lowly incandescent bulb can be viewed as a measuring device.

Measurement can be a black hole for time when trying to determine if a device has a marginal COP of 0.99 or 1.01. We then get lost in the measurement technique debates.

I am more interested in devices that show an unrefutable margin of gain, (e.g. similar to the SM offerings) to avoid getting bogged down in measurement debates.

Good measurement technique is a valuable tool to help one make decisions regarding fine tuning of a device, not to be discarded, nor to become a hindrance.

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The limited bandwidth of the typed or texted word or phrase, and it's inability to fully convey emotions in a brief text bite leads to many misunderstandings and misinterpretations on forums and cellphones everywhere. Strange that we moved from coded message transmission (Morse code) to high bandwidth voice transmission where with telephony, emotional content is clearly conveyed, reducing greatly misunderstanding , then we rolled back a half century to teletype style messaging with its attendant interpretation errors due to lack of emotional vocal inflections and cues.

[TinMan]

Words words and more words.....

I don't think you or anyone for that matter can or even should care about what I think is missing Brad.  I once thought that this was a community filled with renegades.  I reread the forum creed the other day and cried (figuratively speaking....)  When did "free energy research" become methods for proper measurement and measurement practices?  As I am a thinking person, I double checked the definition for "energy" and was reminded of the fact that the term itself has no direct relation to measurement or measurement practices....go figure....  It's rather fascinating seeing how the separatists escape the box only to take with them to their camp, tools and practices which are used to build a more ridged box.....(....face palm slap smiley.....) Maybe a name change is in order, or, and this is probably more accurate, I don't belong here.  See, I am looking at how one can do work for free, plain and simple.  I thought this was the magic frequency, or, the common thought that brought us all together.  Equating the idea of "free energy" with "overunity" derailed the runaway train, the train being symbolic of the "free energy" movement. 

The greater percentage of "free energy researchers", have given up the quest for free work, or better stated work at no cost to the operator, as the environment does the work.  As no concrete methods and or mechanism have been found (no one discussing anything anyway....) and there have been several ideas and concepts surface which lead one to believe that the quest for overunity is far simpler, the majority migrated.  In the quest for overunity, the tools for measuring, are the gate keepers, and the laws penned by the elect, are enforced by the skilled with an intensity which can only be compared with fanatical religious fervor.  The  skilled demand strict adherence to the laws, so we find that we police each other.  The hierarchy of the community is established through knowledge of law, the law (words on paper) govern us all.  I thought that is what we were ultimately moving away from?  Instead its now crystal clear that we only moved away from individuals who didn't know how to, nor cared about performing proper measurements.....the pendulum swings.....we are the extreme opposite of those we left on the other forum, and no different from those who enforce the laws penned by the elect.  The neutral position would be ideal....as from that  position we could unite the strengths, and avoid the weakness of both.

So what am I doing here if I'm not looking for the consensus idea of free energy or overunity?  I have said it before, and I will say it again for posterity.  I am not looking for what the majority are looking for.  I desire to exchange with researchers, thinkers, philosophers, those who want more than the ability to demonstrate via measurement, more out than in.  I want what we were promised, I want devices I contemplate and build to sync with Nature.  Scopes and meters aren't going to get us there, and in truth, as I see it, they are the distraction, mechanisms whose true purpose is to prohibit us from looking into the nature of things as we are preoccupied with investigating the nature of the test equipment and procedures.  Has anyone noted the trend?  All experiments of late are generally well thought out, and well prepared, in the presentation, we are familiarized with the individual's ability to setup testing equipment.....the bulk of the presentation is about the testing equipment...the idea being presented.....is secondary.  Most of the brilliant ideas being shared never make it far because the meters indicate that there's nothing to be found in the idea?!?!?!  The perfect time for the word "rubbish".  You aren't going to get the time spent reading this back....

I took the time to read your post Erfinder-i always will.
You think im all for the main stream--i follow the EE guy's,and take what they say as gospel.
Well im about to turn there measurement procedures upside down. Now you get to see(what you call)the old me. Fact is,that old me never left--he has always been working in the background ,looking for the oddities.
Below are 3 video's,and the circuits to go along with them. Now you see me showing how things are not as cut and dried in measurement procedures as they say.

lets look at a quote from ION-- :Even the lowly incandescent bulb can be viewed as a measuring device.

I agree with this,but there accurate power measurements do not.

Below you see two circuit's. The first is a pulse motor circuit that is for video 1 and 2,and the second circuit is for video 3.

In these video's i show more power dissipated by an incandescent bulb with less current flowing through it,and less power being dissipated by that same bulb with more current flowing through it.

You wanted to see power dissipation that makes no sense,then watch the 3 video's below.

The old me is still here ,alive and well Erfinder .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqvIjABXZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lElIrYuKGag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMHk3m6DsFE


Brad

[Erfinder]

I took the time to read your post Erfinder-i always will.
You think im all for the main stream--i follow the EE guy's,and take what they say as gospel.
Well im about to turn there measurement procedures upside down. Now you get to see(what you call)the old me. Fact is,that old me never left--he has always been working in the background ,looking for the oddities.
Below are 3 video's,and the circuits to go along with them. Now you see me showing how things are not as cut and dried in measurement procedures as they say.

lets look at a quote from ION-- :Even the lowly incandescent bulb can be viewed as a measuring device.

I agree with this,but there accurate power measurements do not.

Below you see two circuit's. The first is a pulse motor circuit that is for video 1 and 2,and the second circuit is for video 3.

In these video's i show more power dissipated by an incandescent bulb with less current flowing through it,and less power being dissipated by that same bulb with more current flowing through it.

You wanted to see power dissipation that makes no sense,then watch the 3 video's below.

The old me is still here ,alive and well Erfinder .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfqvIjABXZ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lElIrYuKGag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMHk3m6DsFE


Brad

Now you are talking!  Show em!  Forgive me if I don't participate in this one.  Time is ticking and I would rather devote all I can to finding a means through which I am allowed to sync my apparatus with Nature.  If and when the means is found, measuring takes on a new dimension. 

It felt really good reading the words "the old me never left".... the words ring genuine.   To celebrate this joyous occasion, I ask you to consider accepting my apology.  Brad, please forgive me, my behavior was and is inexcusable, and unbecoming of one who considers himself a gentleman.  I cannot in all honesty state that I will not loose my cool again, however, following your example, I will do my best to remain respectful. 

It never occurred to me that you were the reason why I am here.  No idea why, as I have never shown you anything...not directly anyway...I appreciate the vote of confidence. 

If you don't mind my saying, in the future, if you have a tech that you are working on that you know you will not disclose completely, don't bring it up.  You really pissed me off when you did this, not because I want, or even need what you were working on, on the contrary....I stated before that our work parallels, and your announcement filled me with joy because finally, I had a peer.  Then the let down....you went dark.  Thats a little history....now to your question...what do I think some may be missing....

• No one considers the differences between an expanding magnetic field, and a collapsing magnetic field.  When considering them, the state of the circuit must also be taken into account.
• None seem to care that the collapsing magnetic field is not and cannot be captured and sent to the recovery battery or capacitor, a potential born out of opposition to change is recovered.
• None seem to care that the collapsing magnetic field is changing in strength and time, and as such can and does induce.  It's inducing influence is being limited to the coil where the change in current was made.
• None recognize that transformer action, excited by the collapsing magnetic field has the ability to boost recovery.
• None seem to understand that recovery and generation are one.  The recovery mechanism teaches how to generate without opposition.
• As the none of the above have been addressed, the LC nature of systems we build has never been addressed.
• As the LC  nature of the system has not been found, the concept of geometric resonance cannot be addressed.
• As none of the above have been addressed, the relation between geometry based resonance and text book electrical resonance has not been established.
• As the topic of resonance has not been addressed, the nature of the currents as they move between L and C before, after and at resonance cannot be addressed.
• As the nature of the current moving between L and C has not been addressed, we are not able to appreciate the possibility of the existence of a second mobility, what I call the repelling force.

These are a few of the things which I have found that I feel others are missing, I'm pretty sure you weren't expecting this....  It's not about picking up the text book or measuring anything, its about knowing what you want, and being able to spot those things which impede you from accomplishing your goal.  The list is much much longer than this, and I hope you can appreciate why I say that we don't have a second to loose in chasing that which is for lack of a better way of putting it, a distraction.


Regards

[evolvingape]

Measurements are positively not required for a a stand alone device that delivers many Watts for an extended period, well beyond electrochemical storage means , that is for days, weeks or years without running down.

Could not agree more, the necessity for taking measurements to verify COP>1 demonstrates that the system is operating in a COP<1 environment.

Simple observation of excess energy over time doing work, is sufficient proof of observable, replicable and repeatable fact.

Explaining it can be quite a bit more tricky!