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Here seems to be a solution for a solid state configuration using the RLE or constant current concept.  It is taken from a previous design of a transformer assembly using P3019 pot core pieces as seen in the attached pix below.  Basically, L1 (seen in the schematic) is in a pair of the cores with a .010" gap.  Lcr is then in a single core with no gap mounted on the outside of the L1 assembly.  This makes a common core area for both L1 and Lcr coils in which the flux can either be bucking or aiding.  In this case, the flux is aiding which produces a positive feedback in the interaction between each coil's flux contribution.  This action coupled with the constant current in Lcr is what constitutes the apparent gain mechanism.

The schematic for the test fixture which produced the scope pix does not have S2 and D1 included so the bottom of L1 is grounded.  This simplified the switching and there will be an additional small loss involved in the recovery of the current in L1.

Lcc in this case is the constant current inductor of 52.5mH.  Ps2 is a low voltage source to supply the needed constant current thru Lcc and Lcr.  The loss is this network is basically IR and is very small during a conversion cycle and is ignored for these tests.

A table shown for the varying inductance of L1 with various Lcc/Lcr constant currents.  For the most part, the transformer is operating as a linear variable inductor with constant current control.

In the first scope pix, the Pin is seen to be 4.22 watts over 125.3us for a Uin = 4.22*125.3e-6 = 528.7uJ.  This is the first phase of the aperiodic cycle of operation.

In the second scope shot, we take a measurement of the current in L1 after a period of 21.52us (explained below) when the current in Lcr has settled back to 150ma.  We see this current to be 275ma.  This current would normally be cycled back to the power supply.  We also see from the table that the inductance of L1 at 150ma is 13.13mH so the energy contained in L1 = .275^2*.01313/2 = 496.4uJ.

The last scope pix shows the recovery of the increase in current in Lcr and Lcc due to the magnetic coupling in the common core area and is the second phase of operation.  The recovery period is 21.52us which allows the current in Lcr and Lcc to return to the starting level of 150ma.  The supply voltage is seen to be 29.81 (slightly lower than CH2) and the mean current is seen to be 160.9ma for an energy Urecover = 29.81*.1609*21.52e-6 = 103.2uJ.

Overall, this yields an apparent COP = 103.2/(528.7-496.4) = 3.19 minus some small losses.  The COP increases with an increase in the constant current but within limits.

This same basic scheme will also produce an apparent OU with a constant voltage source (no Lcc) but at much lower COPs.

More details will be provided later.

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Edit: The COP is overstated as the calculation above is incorrect.  The real COP is the sum of all outputs divided by the sum of all inputs.  Therefore the apparent COP = (103.2+496.4)/528.7 = 1.13 .

   
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I would like to point out that pot cores are not necessary for the previous post but rather any core combo that will yield the same positive magnetic feedback.  The attached schematic shows in #1 a pair of "C" cores with "E" cores for the control means plus in #2 common "E" cores placed as shown.

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This is preliminary info on a somewhat different topology which has an inductor Ls inserted in the gap of an AMCC200 metglas core.  The transformer layout can be seen in the pix below.

Ls is the flat wound coil that is fed from a constant current source or inductor of 5mH.  L2 is a 6.66mH independent inductor that is in series with Ls.  L1 is the primary inductor wound on one leg of the AMCC200 core and is the primary induction source.  During the ramp up of L1, the current in Ls/L2 increases and then L2 is clamped to ground during the collapse of L1.  During this time in a periodic operating version, L2 would be discharged to the power supply from L2max to L2 min and the cycle would repeat.

The first scope pix shows the Pin at 968mw or an input energy Uin = .968*74.42e-6 = 72uJ.

The second pix shows the recovered power from L1 to be 928mw or Urec = .928*68.58e-6 = 64uJ.

The third pix shows L2max = 435.1ma and the last pix shows L2min = 411.1ma.  The energy differential is therefore (.4351^2-.4111^2)*6.66e-3/2 = 68uJ.

The apparent COP = (64+68)/72 = 1.83 .

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  Very interesting - thanks for keeping us apprised of your progress.   O0

"Ls is the flat wound coil that is fed from a constant current source or inductor of 5mH."
  Could you explain the flat wound coil a bit? 
   
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  Very interesting - thanks for keeping us apprised of your progress.   O0

"Ls is the flat wound coil that is fed from a constant current source or inductor of 5mH."
  Could you explain the flat wound coil a bit?

The flat wound coil consists of 25 turns of 22ga magnet wire wound on a form which had a height to width ratio equal to the golden mean which really has no bearing on this experiment.  This coil just happened to be an appropriate size for the AMCC200 core. 

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This disclosure is concerning a successful approach to my original theory as explained in post #20.  That is, with an application of RLE to a two winding transformer with equal inductances, one would be able to reach a theoretical maximum COP=2.  For an explanation of what constitutes RLE, see my paper "Reducing the Lenz Effect in a Transformer" in post #6.

The simulation below utilizes the RLE concept in a unique circuit configuration that allows a COP>1.  The transformer model for this sim is taken from an actual bench device with two equal windings L1 and L2 of 140 turns each, spaced apart by ~.040" to produce the K=.8 coupling factor.  The core is a 1/4" P-42510 ferrite by Magnetics and has a .010 gap in all legs and the core remains in a linear mode throughout all current excursions. 

Prior to the sim start, secondary L2 is charged to a -100ma, the constant current source L3 is charged to +100ma, and the primary L1 has no charge.  Conventional current flow is through the coils toward the dot.

L1 is now connected to the 20vdc supply Vs via S1.  Due to the current bias in the secondary L2, the current in L1 uniquely begins to ramp in a negative direction due to standard transformer action.  After 13.941us, the current in L1 is equal to the current in L2 and of -97.78ma and at this point in time the simulation is stopped.  The reason for the lack of equivalent current drop in the secondary is due to the RLE effect or constant current sourcing by inductor L3 in this case. 

What we now have is a drop in current in L3 and L2 to [97.78ma] and the primary L1 and secondary L2 have equal currents and polarities.  Therefore, the transformer has now converted to an equivalent aiding inductance of 10.46mH if these winding were connected in series.

For the calculation of the energies involved, we'll start with the input.  From V(vs)*I(V1) we see the input is actually -13.644uJ.  IOW, energy is supplied back to the power supply from the circuit.

Energy produced by the circuit action is calculated from the identical L1 and L2 currents of -97.78ma in the resulting 10.46mH series inductance which is .09778^2*.01046/2 = 50uJ.  Therefore, the total energy produced by the circuit is 13.644uJ+50uJ = 63.644uJ.

For the energy consumption we'll first examine L2.  L2 was initially charged to [100ma] which required an energy of .1^2*.0029/2 = 14.5uJ.  We will consider all this energy as consumed because the ending current in L2 is calculated in the ending series calculation with the primary. 

Next, L3 was initially charged to 100ma but ended with 97.8 ma for a loss of (.1^2-.0978^2)*.1/2 = 21.7uJ.  So, the total energy consumed by the circuit is 14.5uJ+21.7uJ = 36.2uJ.

Therefore, the total apparent COP=63.644/36.2=1.76.  This is short of the theoretical COP=2 primarily due to the voltage drop across L3 thus rendering it as being less than a perfect current source.

Although not shown, those skilled in the art would be able to conceive how to connect the L1 and L2 winding in series and discharge them into the power supply plus, restore the current in L3 back to 100ma for periodic operation.  This scheme should allow a reasonably easy to build OU device that would be able to self charge a battery system for example, but certainly not limited to this application by any means.

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  Thank you for this, PM!  Now to study what you've offered.
   
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Here is another paper that may help those who wish to understand the RLE concept.
 
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I will now move on to the reluctance and PM induction based designs.  It seems the main consideration is the eddy current drag in the reluctance rotor made from aluminum for example.  This could possibly be dealt with by using a laminated and/or slotted rotor but this video has an interesting observation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw

Any comments?

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   First, my condolences with regard to your health issues, Jon.   
Thank you for that paper:  "So, here is the dilemma this project has faced in how to overcome this problem. Much time and effort has been spent
to find some form of solution and after many months, a solution was found. This will be the focus of the next paper."

I look forward to that!   I realize that much time and effort has indeed been spent on your part, and it is much appreciated.

Let me add that I have read through the thread now.  (I'm serving in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as Bishop at this time, and that occupies much of my "free time".) 

   I found the discussion on disclosure and patents to be intriguing. I'm concerned that if one applies for a patent in the US, that idea may become classified and ILLEGAL to even discuss further.

 My sense is that the great dilemma today (besides technical difficulties) lies in having good ideas squashed by powerful corporations and people who seem to want total control, not liberty and freedom of thought and expression. It is sad when government agencies cooperate in that suppression, if it occurs.  (I outlined the case of Dr. Mitchell Swartz and what happened to his invention submitted to the US Patent office, above.)

  My prayer is that your health will be good and that ideas will emerge victorious to benefit humanity despite any opposition.
   I'm working on two devices at this time (involving PM's and rotation; distinct from Jon's approach) - one big experiment is planned for tomorrow...
   
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I will now move on to the reluctance and PM induction based designs.  It seems the main consideration is the eddy current drag in the reluctance rotor made from aluminum for example.  This could possibly be dealt with by using a laminated and/or slotted rotor but this video has an interesting observation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YCTwWvykw

Any comments?

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  Wow!  intriguing experiment, Jon. 
   The results are indeed surprising.  The curving path of the last rectangular magnet would probably follow the Lorentz Force,
 
F = qE + qV X B, due to the second term.
 
  Why does the north side adhere to the Al plate with the circular PM, not the south side?  THAT is strange...
Could this result possibly correlate with the orientation of the plate wrt the Earth's magnetic field?  Please repeat the experiment, with the plate rotated 90 degrees (around a vertical axis), to test this.
   
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   First, my condolences with regard to your health issues, Jon.

Thank you for your thots and concern. 

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Thank you for that paper:  "So, here is the dilemma this project has faced in how to overcome this problem. Much time and effort has been spent
to find some form of solution and after many months, a solution was found. This will be the focus of the next paper."

I look forward to that!   I realize that much time and effort has indeed been spent on your part, and it is much appreciated.

That paper was written some time ago and instead of writing a new one, I decided to disclose the solution in my post #205 which contains all the info needed to build a solid state OU device.  I somehow have the feeling however that the info will not be heeded because first of all, we all know a simulation can not show OU, right.  Plus, it is like hiding in plain sight and very few are really paying attention.   

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Let me add that I have read through the thread now.  (I'm serving in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as Bishop at this time, and that occupies much of my "free time".) 

   I found the discussion on disclosure and patents to be intriguing. I'm concerned that if one applies for a patent in the US, that idea may become classified and ILLEGAL to even discuss further.

 My sense is that the great dilemma today (besides technical difficulties) lies in having good ideas squashed by powerful corporations and people who seem to want total control, not liberty and freedom of thought and expression. It is sad when government agencies cooperate in that suppression, if it occurs.  (I outlined the case of Dr. Mitchell Swartz and what happened to his invention submitted to the US Patent office, above.)

Yes, the government and big corporations have a history of trying to suppress technology from the masses (us).  A possible solution is the path I have chosen to take that is, place the IP in public view and then apply for a patent.  This method provides the inventor two protective covers.  One, if a thieving corporation or individual attempts to patent the technology, prior art can be proven with the public disclosure thus rendering any application useless.  Two, any government suppression of the patent (if issued) is useless because the tech has already been publicly disclosed.  I mean, what are they going to do, shut the barn door after the horses are loose? 
 
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   I'm working on two devices at this time (involving PM's and rotation; distinct from Jon's approach) - one big experiment is planned for tomorrow...

I look forward to hearing more about your rotating PM device.

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  Wow!  intriguing experiment, Jon. 
   The results are indeed surprising.  The curving path of the last rectangular magnet would probably follow the Lorentz Force,
 
F = qE + qV X B, due to the second term.
 
  Why does the north side adhere to the Al plate with the circular PM, not the south side?  THAT is strange...
Could this result possibly correlate with the orientation of the plate wrt the Earth's magnetic field?  Please repeat the experiment, with the plate rotated 90 degrees (around a vertical axis), to test this.

Thanks for the comments.  I didn't do the video myself but I will try what you suggest to check for any influence from the earth's magnetic field.  Somehow I get the impression that the aluminum plate used was a harder alloy like 6061 rather than a soft alloy like 3003 which is all I have on hand at the moment.

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  Wow!  intriguing experiment, Jon. 
   The results are indeed surprising.  The curving path of the last rectangular magnet would probably follow the Lorentz Force,
 
F = qE + qV X B, due to the second term.
 
  Why does the north side adhere to the Al plate with the circular PM, not the south side?  THAT is strange...
Could this result possibly correlate with the orientation of the plate wrt the Earth's magnetic field?  Please repeat the experiment, with the plate rotated 90 degrees (around a vertical axis), to test this.

I don't think it is the Earth field, IMO it is the field created by the induced current in the aluminum plate and why reversing the magnet it curves the other way, it follows the invisible field it is sticking to.

Great work Jon

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I don't think it is the Earth field, IMO it is the field created by the induced current in the aluminum plate and why reversing the magnet it curves the other way, it follows the invisible field it is sticking to.

Great work Jon

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Mike,

Would this then mean the magnetic flux lines are spiraling out of the poles as some claim?

Thanks for the comment.

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Please ignore my previous post #105 and all that follows regarding that same post.  The Pin measurement of -13.644uJ should really be +13.644uJ and is in error due to my overlooking the Pin formula.

That formula should have read "V(Vs)*-I(L1)".  Sorry for the distraction and I apologize to any and all following this thread.  I will be taking a break from my work for a period of time.

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Would this then mean the magnetic flux lines are spiraling out of the poles as some claim?

Thanks for the comment.

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Did you see the videos I posted on my thread?

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PS  I am taking a break too O0


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PM – do me a big favour please . I see some Déjà vu and its bothering me .   I dont want to interfere or throw anything off track .
Your web search would be as good as mine if not better . Do please have a look for a researcher called Dan Combine relating to the Transverter . ( investigation tool regarding the rotoverter) I find him but not the video's and graph shots ect I wanted to post. Perhaps another member has them or knows the man. anyway if not known to you please take a look.
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Did you see the videos I posted on my thread?

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PS  I am taking a break too O0

Yes Mike, I did see those videos.  Thanks for the postings!

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PM – do me a big favour please . I see some Déjà vu and its bothering me .   I dont want to interfere or throw anything off track .
Your web search would be as good as mine if not better . Do please have a look for a researcher called Dan Combine relating to the Transverter . ( investigation tool regarding the rotoverter) I find him but not the video's and graph shots ect I wanted to post. Perhaps another member has them or knows the man. anyway if not known to you please take a look.
If your already  aware sorry for the interference – Merry Christmas to you and yours Duncan

Hi Duncan,

I was not familiar with Dan Combine's work but in doing a search, all the videos pertaining to his work of instructions on how to build his device seem to be disabled or missing.  All I found were these two pdfs attached below which Dan wrote in 2005 and 2006.  They seem to be similar but Ver6 contains info on the rotoverter.

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I don't think it is the Earth field, IMO it is the field created by the induced current in the aluminum plate and why reversing the magnet it curves the other way, it follows the invisible field it is sticking to.

Great work Jon

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I did the test and my first thought is wrong, it moves toward the poles. It is slow because of the induced current in the aluminum but moves toward the poles like a compass :)

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Hi PM,
I have just now looked into post #102 and I have some comments.
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The first scope pix shows the Pin at 968mw or an input energy Uin = .968*74.42e-6 = 72uJ.
OK I get that.  Interestingly as you have the supply voltage (30V) and the linear ramp of current which calculates at 865 Amp/sec then from L=V/(di/dt) we get an input inductance of 34.7mH.
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The third pix shows L2max = 435.1ma and the last pix shows L2min = 411.1ma.  The energy differential is therefore (.4351^2-.4111^2)*6.66e-3/2 = 68uJ.
That's fine.  So during that 74.42uS period we have an input to the transformer of 72uJ and an output of 68uJ.  We lose 4uJ somewhere, that's not too bad and certainly not OU yet.
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The second pix shows the recovered power from L1 to be 928mw or Urec = .928*68.58e-6 = 64uJ.
Now this is where I get lost.  I see the input current ramping down linearly but it is still positive.  And the math channel seems to multiply that by the 30V supply voltage.  That is the same math as the input power, and positive voltage multiplied by positive current yields the same power flow direction.  Where is the change from positive flow to negative flow?  If we were indeed recovering energy from inductor discharge shouldn't we see an opposite polarity voltage?  What are the circuit conditions during this energy recovery phase?  Is the secondary now disconnected from the external inductor that has gained that 68uJ?  Is the primary still connected to the 30V supply in such a manner that the energy recovery is fed back to that supply?  Perhaps a circuit diagram would help.

One comment in regard to having a constant current (source) within an inductive circuit.  If that source sees a voltage then there is a power flow either to or from that source depending on the voltage polarity.  Does that come into play in this circuit?  FWIW the linear 24mA rise in current in the 6.66mH L2 over the 74.42uS creates a voltage of 2.15V, which taken with the 411mA (treated as a current source) virtually accounts for the 68uJ gained there.  If that is truly the case then that 68uJ doesn't all come from the 72uJ input energy via the transformer, but comes mostly from that DC current source.  Then the 64uJ recovery of that 72uJ input is a COP<1.

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Hi PM,
I have just now looked into post #102 and I have some comments.OK I get that.  Interestingly as you have the supply voltage (30V) and the linear ramp of current which calculates at 865 Amp/sec then from L=V/(di/dt) we get an input inductance of 34.7mH.That's fine.  So during that 74.42uS period we have an input to the transformer of 72uJ and an output of 68uJ.  We lose 4uJ somewhere, that's not too bad and certainly not OU yet.Now this is where I get lost.  I see the input current ramping down linearly but it is still positive.  And the math channel seems to multiply that by the 30V supply voltage.  That is the same math as the input power, and positive voltage multiplied by positive current yields the same power flow direction.  Where is the change from positive flow to negative flow?  If we were indeed recovering energy from inductor discharge shouldn't we see an opposite polarity voltage?  What are the circuit conditions during this energy recovery phase?  Is the secondary now disconnected from the external inductor that has gained that 68uJ?  Is the primary still connected to the 30V supply in such a manner that the energy recovery is fed back to that supply?  Perhaps a circuit diagram would help.

One comment in regard to having a constant current (source) within an inductive circuit.  If that source sees a voltage then there is a power flow either to or from that source depending on the voltage polarity.  Does that come into play in this circuit?  FWIW the linear 24mA rise in current in the 6.66mH L2 over the 74.42uS creates a voltage of 2.15V, which taken with the 411mA (treated as a current source) virtually accounts for the 68uJ gained there.  If that is truly the case then that 68uJ doesn't all come from the 72uJ input energy via the transformer, but comes mostly from that DC current source.  Then the 64uJ recovery of that 72uJ input is a COP<1.

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Smudge,

Thanks for your analysis of the circuit in post #102!  This circuit is found to not be OU due to the loss in L2 of 6.66mH which was the constant current source for this example.  I over looked this in my original findings and it appears there is no solution to the problem.

The only bench circuit shown that has an apparent valid OU with all energies considered is in post #100 although the gain is small at this point.  I'm sure this can be improved as the current source inductor in this case was rather lossy. 

I'm also presently working on a concept via simulation which shows promise with higher COPs and I'll be posting more on this later as the concept can be demonstrated on the bench.  Right now, I'm fighting a tremendous cold that I probably picked up at the hospital or doctor's office.

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