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Smudge,

Very interesting analysis.  Some of what you've explained seems to mesh
with what Turion tries to explain when he offers hints at how his OverUnity
Permanent Magnet Generator is able to output more electrical energy than
that which is input to drive it.

He and Bistander have had a comprehensive discussion that has been
ongoing for quite some time in several of the threads at EF.  This is one
of the threads.


Have you followed any of the  discussion?


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Believing in something false doesn't make it true.
I also came to the same conclusion that Smudge's paper might be the answer to Dave's (Turion's) machine.  In fact one of the major problems he has had to overcome was the cores of his machine were getting so hot they were melting the coil forms and melting the insulation off the wires.  He had to add some cooling heat sinks with water running through them to solve that problem.

Thanks for the paper Smudge.  Very interesting reading.



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On this thread  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3718.msg82080#msg82080 the ZPower device was discussed.  As this seems to have been demonstrated to produce its own power I have given it more consideration.  Here is my thoughts on the device where it seems worth doing some experiments with Al and Bi bimetallic contacts in magnetic fields.  Anyone up for this?

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Smudge
as mentioned a new moderated board has been assigned for your work here
https://overunity.com/18493/cyril-smith-aka-smudge-builders-group/msg545857/#new

I did send a note to Chris [EMjunkie] yesterday that it would be a few more days to sort
out.[he mentioned he has persons interested in your experiments and musings

Just a heads up ,the ability to have a builders section in an open source forum which also has open membership and can be moderated in real time ...and you will also have  help [Still sorting that a bit]

a very good step forward IMO [ However at the end of the day it is your option...

with much gratitude and respect

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On this thread  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3718.msg82080#msg82080 the ZPower device was discussed.  As this seems to have been demonstrated to produce its own power I have given it more consideration.  Here is my thoughts on the device where it seems worth doing some experiments with Al and Bi bimetallic contacts in magnetic fields.  Anyone up for this?

Smudge

Smudge,

looking at your electromotive force table in the PDF, i wonder if not some other more available
elements can be used, like magnesium (+2.4V) and copper (-0.47V) yielding almost a 3V potential.

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Smudge,

looking at your electromotive force table in the PDF, i wonder if not some other more available
elements can be used, like magnesium (+2.4V) and copper (-0.47V) yielding almost a 3V potential.

Itsu

Yes, I only considered Al and Bi because that is what the ZPower device uses.  Al and Cu should also be interesting and easy to find.  Got to watch the surface finish as the contact voltage changes drastically with oxidization or reaction with dampness.  Also impurities have a big effect.  There is something known as the magnetic Seebeck effect which suggests that even a static magnetic field could produce a voltage.  It would be interesting to see what happens if a neo magnet is held near one thermocouple of a pair, does that produce a small DC voltage?  Maybe the alternating field in the ZPower device is simply to get an AC voltage that can be stepped up to something useful.

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Ok Smudge,   i have thrown together something quickly, not sure this is what you mean.

using 2 copper pipes and 2 alu pipes tightly fitted into each other forming 2 thermocouples in series.
Waving 2 strong neo's above one of the thermocouples only shows a 1mV DC pulse or signal on my fluke DMM.

Would you expect some more voltage or is this not what you was pointing at?
 
video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUimosuFhxo&feature=youtu.be

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Thanks Itsu for doing that.  Actually you had three Al-Cu couples in series, plus two more dissimilar metal couples where the probes connected.  That 1mV is probably the induction due to movement of the magnet, you would get the same if you just had a length of wire.  I was looking for a change of DC voltage when the magnet is placed close and not moving, but your instrument is not sensitive enough for that..

Graham Gunderson built a DC amplifier that he kindly sent to me that increased the DC sensitivity of my oscilloscope so I could discern microvolts.  Surprisingly all metal to metal junctions exhibited voltage that changed with temperature, even the scope probe connections or croc clip connections.  But I never thought to see if a (constant) magnetic field at a junction also acted like a temperature change.  Sadly I no longer have any equipment.  Grumage has that DC amplifier, although he doesn't know it.  It was in a box of odds and ends that I took to him.

Grumage, if you can find a die-cast box with a BNC connector and two terminals on it, have a look inside to find a 9V pp3 battery (that may have leaked and ruined everything).  If you have it and it is OK would you be willing to send it to Itsu?  The two terminals were for twin wire cable with croc clips for connecting to the DUT.  The BNC connector was for connection to the scope.  There is also a knob for adjusting DC back off because the thing is highly sensitive and drifts with time and ambient changes.  I am sure Itsu will have hours of fun playing with this and will find that just the act of connecting with a croc clip heat transfer from the fingers causes measurable change.  That will definitely find the Al-Cu effect which will undoubtedly change with temperature and maybe even with the presence of a magnetic field.

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Hi Cyril.

The amplifier has been kept in a cool and dry environment since you dropped it off. Although the batteries are flat they haven't leaked.

Cheers Graham.


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Surprisingly all metal to metal junctions exhibited voltage that changed with
temperature, even the scope probe connections or croc clip connections.

Peltier Effect even at low temperatures?


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Ok Smudge,   i have thrown together something quickly, not sure this is what you mean.

using 2 copper pipes and 2 alu pipes tightly fitted into each other forming 2 thermocouples in series.
Waving 2 strong neo's above one of the thermocouples only shows a 1mV DC pulse or signal on my fluke DMM.

Would you expect some more voltage or is this not what you was pointing at?
 
video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUimosuFhxo&feature=youtu.be

Itsu
Would it be useful to machine the Al such that when the Cu is put into boiling water and the Al into iced water, you get a very firm grip between them. The snag is that youo'll never get them apart again.
   
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Hi Cyril.

The amplifier has been kept in a cool and dry environment since you dropped it off. Although the batteries are flat they haven't leaked.

Cheers Graham.
Hi Graham,

Glad you found it.  Now what is the best way forward?  I think this could be used to investigate whether the presence of a static magnetic field at a bi-metallic junction will alter the junction potential, however small that change may be.

The device has a built in low pass filter to get rid of noise and that has a time constant measured in seconds.  So for any measurement you have to wait a few seconds for the DC level to settle down, then adjust to zero.  Then if you touch the junction with your finger the heat transfer causes the voltage to change from zero, the amount of change depends upon the size (really the thermal capacity) of the junction.  I didn't envisage the use of large lumps of material as in Itsu's pipes, but since we are not looking for a temperature effect maybe size doesn't matter.  Bringing a magnet close to the junction will induce a voltage from that movement, so the meter/scope will go off scale.  You then wait to see whether the voltage returns to zero to see whether the presence of the static field has had an effect.  Because you are not sure that the small induced current during the magnet movement hasn't created an unwanted electro-chemical effect, like altering the contacting surfaces, you then remove the magnet and wait to hopefully see the voltage return to zero.   May need several runs to get the feel of things.   

Would you be interested in getting involved or would you rather send the amplifier to Itsu?  I can assure you that this will find a temperature effect at any bi-metallic junction, as Graham said these voltages are everywhere but we don't normally see them.   The ZPower devices uses Al and Bi and I guess that your workshop could have both tucked away in an odd corner.

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Good morning Cyril.

I will gladly send on the " Gizmo " to Itsu.

Due to the present situation we seem to have found new purpose, my two youngest son's very active in the workshop building model IC engines. This was my own ( part time ) business for nigh on 30+ years.

Kind regards, Graham.



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Wonderful story Grum!  Having the ability to make things with precision
that actually work is very satisfying.  Never a dull or boring moment!


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Smudge
A question ..is there a circuit drawing of the "sniffer" or spec sheet [components]
prior to shipping it off in case it gets lost in transit [maybe some pics of all components ?
if possible ?
unfortunately we have had things lost or tampered with in the past..[as bizarre as that sounds... when shipping in USA ...maybe different in Europe.

I did leave you a note at your Builders topic on NMR ...yes please [new dedicated thread].
will be knocking on doors and connecting resources [fixtures] to make that happen.
also ... on the "Z" topic ..I did like Paul R mention of hot and cold fitting for Tube ?
maybe Grum can see if he has any Stock which would only "fit" once treated [hot cold]
on arrival at Itsu.[to prevent in transit issues ]
if it turns out Grum has stock ?
if not we could look for specific dimensions that would meet "hot-Cold Fit criteria " so others can get bits to play with from part number inventory ...[just order "this and This" and experiment ?

I suppose the first question : would this tight fit be best  or  just one i that needs to be dotted for all considerations ?
or are there easier methods [for consistent builds/experiments between experimenters?

thx
Chet

 

 
   
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