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As I don't like censorship but also don't like assertions without proof or off-topic, I intend to move this type of posts made in my other threads here, so that everyone can judge the usefulness of having done so.

I will also put a copy of my requests for proof of assertions made in other threads, which have not been answered. This is not, of course, to demand justifications for all statements, but only for those unproven assertions that are said without a shadow of a doubt even though they seem implausible in relation to everything that is known about the field.

It should be seen not as a thread for trashing unwanted posts, which I have seen done elsewhere, but as an incentive for authors to justify their posts or amend them in the original thread where they posted.

Everyone is free to post copies of dubious claims here as well, provided 1) they accompany them with their reasons for doing so, and 2) they take into account that the dubiousness is relative to the canons of physics, engineering, and academic science, not to alternative theories or convictions of the poster. In other words, this thread is not meant to put as doubtful scientific assertions from theories that have obtained a large consensus, such as electromagnetism, QM, relativity... whose justifications are already provided everywhere to those who know how to study and understand them.

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As no answer was given, I am copying Sm0ky2's posts from the "Archimedes' screw applied to electricity" thread here and have removed them from there.


While the premise is intriguing, upon review of the proposed device, this can be simplified to a Linear Transformer.
Many of these devices are already in existence.
Energetically speaking, performance is in par with standard transformer theory, however:
The Time (T) of current translation is significantly slower, resulting in greater delays and ultimately lower maximum frequencies of operation.

That being said, let’s examine utilizing the true electrical representation of the Archimedian force translation:

(For in depth analysis)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228581326_The_Turn_of_the_Screw_Optimal_Design_of_an_Archimedes_Screw

Assuming an internal helix pitch of 6-degrees (for maximum force translation), and an angle of incidence to the magnetic of 33-degrees: (this was chosen not so arbitrarily, resultant from removal of friction, water tension, and hydrodynamic constants, and adjusted from the optimal angle range of 20-25 degrees)

The resultant elliptical coil (not round) results in an effective cut-off at extreme angles to the perpendicular with respect to the magnetic field.
The output waveform should be expected to resemble that of an analog square wave transformer.
The precise equations for calculating this are highly complex, however, Fourier transform tells us this can be simplified to a 2-part inductor, one with a coil diameter larger than the primary and a smaller coil with an angle of incidence to the perpendicular. From this analysis we can calculate the inductance of the two coils and apply their % of the effective area cross sections.

We see here that the Archimedes Screw Transformer must have a half-infinite area of the primary.
This essentially means that the cross-section area of the primary  must be greater than Area^2 of the secondary.

Now: the Archimedes screw is ‘reverse threaded’ for a particular reason - the angle of incidence to the vertical combined with the pitch of the internal helix results in a force vector that closely approximates 180-degrees to the gravitational force.
Applying this to our electrical variant, we find that the secondary coil ellipse is oriented with a negative angle compared to the angle of incline of the coil shaft.
Meaning that if the top of the shaft and the top of the first elliptical coil are the same point, (using right hand rule) the coil will loop downwards one half loop then back up to nearly the start of the coil at the top end.
In a manner which places the loops of the secondary approximately horizontal. (Assuming the primary is oriented vertically)

This varies from a standard transformer in that during time (t) of one cycle: the inductance takes place mostly at maximum values through both halves of the duty cycle. (peak and trough), with the effective area of cut-off being negated in the inductance side of the equation, but accountable in the time domain. This is the “cut-off” time of the transformer or the time it takes to transition from a high state to a low state or vice versa. This time quantity is very small, which is why this closely approximates a square wave signal.

While i do not see an increase in COP, this device may very well be able to perform like a transformer of a larger size,
enabling us to create smaller devices.

In the Archimedes' screw applied to electricity the magnetic field is not necessary for operation, it is only a side effect if current is drawn. And we can also replace the solenoid by a zig-zag to cancel the possible magnetic field resulting from a load.

Moreover, the same principle works with a purely linear system: a small charged plate sliding over and along a long conductive strip will draw electrons creating a current in the strip, without any magnetic field.

Then you will have to explain how a "linear transformer" works without a magnetic field.




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https://youtu.be/UcwBmqd60C4
Privately I did receive this opinion from smokey

Neutral or nil result to be expected!
not sure this is appropriate to place this response here ( will check with him later

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Reference:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=18.msg101883#msg101883

It seems that my reply has been censored, lack of humour, probably.

I've decided to donate another invention to the community.  Here's my apparatus for magnetic quenching, since others have had difficulty with that.
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Remarkable donation! I did have a lot of difficulty with this, my mind not being superior. The community will surely be grateful.
Is it more effective than this in the attached file? ;D



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Might be better you ask administrator about this behavior ?
If this is one use for your bench ?

It will not be tolerated here !

I hope you have better things to do with your time soon !
   

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Buy me some coffee
You are skating on very thin ice with this thread.  >:(
   
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You are both right, I agree, I plead guilty, this kind of discussion should not take place here. But where can you criticise ridiculous claims? I wonder.
I don't want to continue the discussion here but I will respond to your criticism.

Shall I also present the principle of the Archimedean screw by pompously declaiming :
"I've decided to donate another invention to the community.  Here's my apparatus for electron dragging, since others have had difficulty with that"?
or else
"I've decided to donate another way of thinking to the community. Here's my course about relativity, since others have had difficulty with that"?

It's a shame to read that here C.C. Only humour can answer this ridiculous pretension of those who pose as superior, making the "donation" of a basic, elementary, banal thing as if it were a treasure and they were the new Tesla. Here, we simply share our findings and knowledge, on an equal footing, it seems to me. Is the forum for sharing, or for receiving so-called donations or initiation from self-proclaimed experts?


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Every experiment a person shares is a gift!
Of time ( most valuable ) and resources!

If a member finds a simple way to perform experiments ( in a specific field )
Or some tool to assist!
And shares this with other interested parties!
It is A gift worth having ..and for those it helps worth receiving!

Thank you for your pending Archimedes gift
And also your gift of relativity!

Here it’s a forum filled with builders of all skill sets and interests
Tolerance is mandatory on the bench work

Throwing popcorn or capacitors at other builders while they work …

We should be coming to some agreements here !
Out of respect to our hosts wishes !

Too many times I have seen one catalyst bring chaos to forums
With others posting Funny’s and such nonsense until a big mess develops!

This is wrong place for forum talk ..we have a topic
And this behavior needs addressing !

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And yes there is Grumpy’s suggestion!

   
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Every experiment a person shares is a gift!
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I don't agree. For some it is a way of promotion, of recognition, and the so-called gifts are only the packaging of banalities, illusions, even lies. Accepting anything is counterproductive.

If the actions of another do not resonate with you, perhaps just ignore it.

A forum without discussion is an ordinary site. If some people want to monologue, the forum is not the right choice.
When you come to a forum, it is not to say mass or to listen to it, it is to exchange.
Saying amen to everything you read is the opposite of doing research in a group. To say nothing when you have an opinion is not only hypocrisy, but cowardice since you accept that others are misled by what you consider errors or lies, or that the author says anything without justification.


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Ok Ill be tro** food

Demonstrating a complete absence of social skills ,empathy , consideration is still being an #####e ...is it not ?
You thrive on this stuff ...go on tell us why ..really why ?
So far nobody has had any benefit from anything you have said ...so far
   
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I don't agree. For some it is a way of promotion, of recognition, and the so-called gifts are only the packaging of banalities, illusions, even lies. Accepting anything is counterproductive.

A forum without discussion is an ordinary site. If some people want to monologue, the forum is not the right choice.
When you come to a forum, it is not to say mass or to listen to it, it is to exchange.
Saying amen to everything you read is the opposite of doing research in a group. To say nothing when you have an opinion is not only hypocrisy, but cowardice since you accept that others are misled by what you consider errors or lies, or that the author says anything without justification.


F6FLT,

Just wondering if you had a chance to look at any of the fundamental stuff (B-H Curve "gain vs material" or
rolling magnetic field, etc.) found in the Holcomb, so called, LinGen using your CST CAE?

And, if so, what you might have concluded? Collaborating evidence is always welcome and appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

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FYI - here are some of the links where we discussed your using CST in an effort to
help in analyzing the Holcomb effect:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98903#msg98903
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98911#msg98911
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98912#msg98912
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98914#msg98914
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98918#msg98918
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98927#msg98927

No, the burden of proof is on the one questioning the presented valid evidence.
The unknown phenomenon is only unknown to one that is "not skilled in the art"
and one who is unwilling to put forth any effort to study the art.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99780#msg99780

Facts and logic are derived within ones mind and proven through their capabilities.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99791#msg99791
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99796#msg99796

======= Initial query re: Your build or at least a CST simulation:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99804#msg99804

====== Your reply to the above question - "computation time is too long" and  "I
don't know what the LinGen is..."  - Pathetic!
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99809#msg99809

====== More non-sense... Rather than ask for further clarification, you give a
smart ass remark. Then change the subject to off-topic.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99814#msg99814

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NOTE: NO, your not going to lecture me about proper Forum protocol or what a
good forum is.

You have demonstrated YOU are the KING of "Claims without evidence and off
topic answers.


Regards and have a good one!


   
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Passing around tons of links without knowing exactly why they are produced, without logical relationships or circumstantial comments relating to the topic but with plenty of implication that this would be a response to what is being said, seems to be the favourite occupation of many.
Can you explain the meaning of your post? What are you trying to demonstrate and how? Where is the logic?

You know very well that modelling software like CST works according to the equations derived from the laws of physics, so that it cannot show anything abnormal in relation to them, a question of the mathematical formalism it uses.
If there is an anomaly, it is either a bug or a non-physical parameterization.

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You have demonstrated YOU are the KING of "Claims without evidence and off topic answers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem



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Ok Ill be tro** food

Demonstrating a complete absence of social skills ,empathy , consideration is still being an #####e ...is it not ?
You thrive on this stuff ...go on tell us why ..really why ?
So far nobody has had any benefit from anything you have said ...so far

I have "social skills, empathy, consideration", especially for many here, but on the one hand there are never any in physics publications, in science one avoids playing with them because one seeks the truth and the truth is rarely pleasing, and on the other hand I avoid them for cheaters, people complacent about their ignorance, and omniscient pretentious people.
In our field I see them as obscurantists who turn the free energy movement into a cult cultivating beliefs and fighting scientific human knowledge while pretending to produce it.
They are obstacles to any research activity, burying our movement in nonsense to the point that if you look from outside, you can only see it. The result is that not only do they attract others like them who see an easy way to show off or enjoy beliefs, but they drive away competent people like ElectroBoom, the kind of guy who should be with us doing research but who sees so much crap that he mocks it and its authors, and rightly so.
We've been in a stalemate for years, the balance of power has to change unless you don't want free energy but just want to play Tesla like a kid plays Superman.
 


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When you come to a forum, it is not to say mass or to listen to it, it is to exchange.
Saying amen to everything you read is the opposite of doing research in a group. To say nothing when you have an opinion is not only hypocrisy, but cowardice since you accept that others are misled by what you consider errors or lies, or that the author says anything without justification.

If something does not resonate with me, I general have no opinion of it, and simply don't care enough to comment.
   
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Passing around tons of links without knowing exactly why they are produced, without logical relationships or circumstantial comments relating to the topic but with plenty of implication that this would be a response to what is being said, seems to be the favourite occupation of many.
Can you explain the meaning of your post? What are you trying to demonstrate and how? Where is the logic?

You know very well that modelling software like CST works according to the equations derived from the laws of physics, so that it cannot show anything abnormal in relation to them, a question of the mathematical formalism it uses.
If there is an anomaly, it is either a bug or a non-physical parameterization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

F6FLT,

As is obvious, the links are to some of your postings in the Holcomb thread where I presented the CAE Analysis of one aspect of Holcomb's
patent (coined the LinGen). The meanings are self explanatory, as is the content and intent - in simple terms, just for you - how the LinGen
works - but rather than pages of "wikipedia" cut and past, a professional CAE anlysis (which all engineers understand) is used !

Review these posts (I can't read them to you) and you will quickly see why I have coined you the "KING."

BTW (FYI)  CAE follows the Laws of Physics; but apparently you do not understand this, or you just choose to remain uninformed and in the dark.

Also, these are links you yourself created so you know exactly why they were produced and what logical relationships they have to the topic.

I can fully appreciate this is one of your favourite occupations (mindless postings) but it's also mindless and of no value.

SL

So, try this - instead of running around like a chicken with a missing head, do the ANALYSIS for yourself by whatever means is available
to you. Then present your results as best you can. First however; study up a bit on some Mid School Physics, a.k.a. the BH Curves!


   
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In our field I see them as obscurantists who turn the free energy movement into a cult cultivating beliefs and fighting scientific human knowledge while pretending to produce it.
They are obstacles to any research activity, burying our movement in nonsense to the point that if you look from outside, you can only see it. The result is that not only do they attract others like them who see an easy way to show off or enjoy beliefs, but they drive away competent people like ElectroBoom, the kind of guy who should be with us doing research but who sees so much crap that he mocks it and its authors, and rightly so.

I have to agree but as always it's a matter of degrees and we can't paint everyone with the same brush.

For example, I really enjoy ElectroBoom's video's and he shows a good balance between learning, content and entertainment. He is also an EE yet can explain most things in simple terms which may explain his high ratings. Apparently he is a millionaire from all his you tube video's, good for him and I was thinking of a similar direction.

One video which caught my eye was his build and description of the slayer exciter. It was neat because it was myself and Dr.Stiffler who introduced the open gate self oscillator circuit to the FE community not slayer. I talked with Slayer and all he did was popularize the circuit after the fact with a nifty name. In any case I found it odd that ElectroBoom claimed he thought the circuit was nonsense at first because he didn't understand it. It was only after he actually built it that he understood how it works and it's relevance, the sign of a good engineer. 

However when I invented the circuit with no prior knowledge I thought it was intuitive even as an Engineer. The electric field should induce the gate/base, more so when the base/emitter or gate/source junction is grounded. I started experimenting with contact charging the base/gate, then conductance with varied materials then finally by electric field induction. A mosfet is actually much slower than an open base 2N2222a in a Darligton pair configuration with a fast power transistor which was my first working circuit. I also thought the obvious line of reason should tend toward something faster like an RF Jfet but the small gate capacitance makes them unreliable.

For me it was simply an ordinary charge detector circuit tied to a power switch and absolutely intuitive which was why I developed it. As you have implied the physics dictate it had to work despite popular opinion thinking otherwise. You may not understand this but the future could not only be decentralized power generation but decentralized circuits. Why do we need conductance when the forces always seem to oppose our objective?. In my opinion conductance is the weakest argument and my focus always tended towards the primary fields and energy.

So I do agree with you that there is an extraordinary amount of nonsense out there but also some really cool idea's...

AC 


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If something does not resonate with me, I general have no opinion of it, and simply don't care enough to comment.

And when it resonates well and you know it's wrong?


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F6FLT,

As is obvious, the links are to some of your postings in the Holcomb thread where I presented the CAE Analysis of one aspect of Holcomb's
patent (coined the LinGen). The meanings are self explanatory, as is the content and intent - in simple terms, just for you - how the LinGen
works - but rather than pages of "wikipedia" cut and past, a professional CAE anlysis (which all engineers understand) is used !

Review these posts (I can't read them to you) and you will quickly see why I have coined you the "KING."

BTW (FYI)  CAE follows the Laws of Physics; but apparently you do not understand this, or you just choose to remain uninformed and in the dark.

Also, these are links you yourself created so you know exactly why they were produced and what logical relationships they have to the topic.

I can fully appreciate this is one of your favourite occupations (mindless postings) but it's also mindless and of no value.

SL

So, try this - instead of running around like a chicken with a missing head, do the ANALYSIS for yourself by whatever means is available to you. Then present your results as best you can. First however; study up a bit on some Mid School Physics, a.k.a. the BH Curves!

I'm past the age of being fooled by this childish sophism of "until you read my hundreds of references I consider you to know nothing about the subject".

If you are not able to summarize or synthesize why your models would prove Holcomb's machine, when models only provide results in accordance with the laws of physics used by these softwares, thus without overunity except for bugs or non-physical parameterizations, we find no intelligible reason to go and see your references, and we can also conclude that by calling others "KING of Claims without evidence and off topic answers", you are in full projection.



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I agree with everything you say. Anyone can make a mistake whether they are on one side or the other, even ElectroBoom, and discover belatedly that something they didn't believe in works. It's not a big deal when people act in good faith and then recognize that it works. Conversely, one would like those who propose setups that no one has ever been able to make work according to what they were supposed to do, such as having free energy from Kelly setups, to acknowledge their bad ideas. Unfortunately...

And I also agree with you, even without being a PhD one can very well invent clever setups that work, I can tell you that in the field of amateur radio there are plenty of them. Even I have "invented" a double sine frequency oscillator and F1+F2 mix output with a single triode, or a full wave rectifier for ASK/FSK demodulation using a single diode and an op amp, or an air plasma oscillator thanks to its negative resistance...
But just because it's original doesn't mean it's not completely in accordance with the laws of physics. I suppose that when you invented your exciter, you didn't start shouting everywhere that you had free energy, because I see you rather as reasonable. But often it is claimed as such when people don't understand what they are doing or want to pretend to be the experts they are not. That's where the problem lies, so even if you're not a physics whizz, you have to know enough not to think you're inventing hot water, and when you present something, make sure it works for others too, or shut up about your extravagant claims.

By the way, you mentioned Dr. Stiffler. This name reminds me of something but I am not sure at all. I did an experiment a few years ago, where unconnected diodes were simply immersed in an electrolyte. They rectified the current induced in the electrolyte by a coil or a plate outside, and bubbles appeared on their two wires, it was quite amazing. Wasn't this his idea or am I confusing it with someone else's?



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F6FLT

Always nice to know that when you have clearly presented your case and there is no logical rebuttal argument - you get censored!

It's sort of funny, in a sick way... but does serve as a good indicator. Enjoy your new found "power" and thanks for making the World
a better place.

 :)

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No one here is censored. My moderation applies to the form of the comments, not to the content related to the topics.

Insults, attacks on the person, slander, like your reply #17 ("you just choose to remain uninformed and in the dark" or "instead of running around like a chicken...") are not allowed here.
Note that I left it and asked you to explain the bundles of references you throw around.
You continued in the same tone, and again now. That's enough.

I explained to you that I have no reason to go to your simulations if you don't provide any analysis.
In a work, simulations or measurements are in the appendices. No simulation is "self evident". The work is to present the results, to draw conclusions from them, to explain the logical relationships between the two, to synthesise the whole by explaining the interest.  About twenty lines should be enough.
I don't have to put up with your slanderous comments because I refuse to analyse your simulations. It is not my job to do yours.


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No one here is censored. My moderation applies to the form of the comments, not to the content related to the topics.

Insults, attacks on the person, slander, like your reply #17 ("you just choose to remain uninformed and in the dark" or "instead of running around like a chicken...") are not allowed here.
Note that I left it and asked you to explain the bundles of references you throw around.
You continued in the same tone, and again now. That's enough.

I explained to you that I have no reason to go to your simulations if you don't provide any analysis.
In a work, simulations or measurements are in the appendices. No simulation is "self evident". The work is to present the results, to draw conclusions from them, to explain the logical relationships between the two, to synthesise the whole by explaining the interest.  About twenty lines should be enough.
I don't have to put up with your slanderous comments because I refuse to analyse your simulations. It is not my job to do yours.

I like CAE Simulations because the Resultant Analysis are "Self Explanatory" and presented, generally, in a simple to understand graphical form!

But hey, whatever...

Plus, you can take the system down to microns and femto-seconds, in other words, nothing is missed or guessed at. Hard to do using Analytical Mathematics
and formulas - using all the required interactive equations you'd be at it for 10 thousand years even with a high speed calculator - Numerical Analysis, even using
detailed 3D Graphics, with modest resolution on a complex structure; maybe a day or two on a slow laptop....

   
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