Checking out Joel Lagace - Hang on I'M SERIOUS!!

[Itsu]

Without air gaps ?

Yes, as close as possible

[chief kolbacict]

If we place a parametric inductance between the capacitors.
At the moment of charge transfer from one capacitor to another, it will increase its inductance.
Then we could be charge into second capacitor more than  was into the first.
But we need energy for change its parameter.

[web000x]

If we place a parametric inductance between the capacitors.
At the moment of charge transfer from one capacitor to another, it will increase its inductance.
Then we could be charge into second capacitor more than  was into the first.
But we need energy for change its parameter.

Or if you had opposing variable capacitances, you could shuttle the charge back and forth between the two capacitances, conserving the charge, all while powering a resistive load.  This is what Chris Carson was doing I do believe.

[Verpies]

But we need energy to change its parameter.

Yes

[chief kolbacict]

Or if you had opposing variable capacitances, you could shuttle the charge back and forth between the two capacitances, conserving the charge.

Yes.

But again, energy is needed to move the plates apart.

[Aking.21]

Has anyone considered what effect resonance has in a CLC circuit?

[Verpies]

Has anyone considered what effect resonance has in a CLC circuit?

Yes, the CLC energy transfer is already fully resonant, i.e. it happens at the natural LC frequency.

[chief kolbacict]

If the plates of the capacitor are not moved from each other, but moved, similar to what is done in a variable capacitor of a radio receiver. Thus reducing the capacity. The attractive forces will be applied to the capacitor bearings. And less force will be needed for the shift. Why won't this work ?

[Verpies]

Because force is not energy.
Force times distance is energy.

Even if the force to slide capacitor plates past each other is smaller for the same capacitance change, the distance of that movement is proportionally larger.

[Aking.21]

Lagace's latest video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBisYxSyXhY

[Aking.21]

A very interesting video detailing Lagace's equipment and plans.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5KmCJj7fY

[Aking.21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jUwZL7Uopw
Lagace's latest includes scope shots.

[Verpies]

Long leads with crocodile clips = LF or DC thinking.

[PhysicsProf]

Lagace's latest video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBisYxSyXhY

Interesting vid, in 2 parts (see photos /screen shots) .
Which part do you all think is most interesting - part 1 with the fluorescent tube, or
Part 2 with the "Russian " noise generator?

[PhysicsProf]

Interesting vid, in 2 parts (see photos /screen shots) .
Which part do you all think is most interesting - part 1 with the fluorescent tube, or
Part 2 with the "Russian " noise generator?

[Aking.21]

Interesting vid, in 2 parts (see photos /screen shots) .
Which part do you all think is most interesting - part 1 with the fluorescent tube, or
Part 2 with the "Russian " noise generator?

I don't have a preference, I am waiting to see what he comes up with  He's getting his act together so we'll see.
However, I do have doubts about his measuring ability.
But I have no doubt we'll all learn something.

[Magluvin]

ive been holding my breath on this a bit.. just not sure why there is so much attraction to what joel is showing in those latest vids.

so far all im seeing is a possible deception on his claims.  he would have been better to just talk about it all instead of showing stuff that clearly does not work as he said, as shown in experiments here by some of you all here.

ill admit that it all renewed my interest in what can possibly be done with the cap to cap, but my version seems more applicable.  would need a lenzless transformer.  meg, whatever...will be testing the orbo this weekend.  it is lenzless.  if the input winding is good enough to do a full, or close to full transfer from cap A to cap B, then the output should be of significant interest.

i had said from the beginning when i got here that the transformer joel used wouldnt, shouldnt work as he described, as the currents of the output winding cannot produce anywhere near the current as is input to the 2v winding.  and you found that to be true. 1 to 1 ratio was way better.

this should be very basic understanding.

anyway.... ive lost complete interest in joel and what he claims.  but again, for me it did seed other ideas to go after.

mags

[forest]

from cap to other cap , yes but the first cap is Earth. what do you think ?

[Magluvin]

from cap to other cap , yes but the first cap is Earth. what do you think ?

hey forest..  good to hear from you. 

the way i look at earth gnd is, it is such a large volume that when we take or give from it, the charge made by that, in the earh, neg or pos, that charge is so very little that it creates very little opposition to taking and giving electrons back and forth.  like a small cap, once you charge 1 plate, pos or neg, the opposition to taking on more electrons or removing more, is greater and takes more energy to do so. like a crystal radio, it can take good advantage of the earths abillity to allow electron flow into and out of the radio circuit.  without that earth gnd, the radio is still able to work, but it faces very tiny capacitances within the circuit, again with higher opposition to the ac current flow, thus way less output in order to hear the signal.

ive used a legnth of copper pipe as a gnd for a crystal radio, suspended from the ground and gotten a listenable output.  that pipe had more electrons to move back and forth than just the radio circuit itself.  i did this when i was a kid with a radioshack electronic kit as i wanted the radio to be portable without an earth gnd.


mags

[Verpies]

...earth gnd is, it is such a large volume that when we take or give from it, the charge made by that, in the earh, neg or pos, that charge is so very little that it creates very little opposition to taking and giving electrons back and forth.

Think, is charge preserved in a CRC or CLC energy transfer ?

[Magluvin]

Think, is charge preserved in a CRC or CLC energy transfer ?

id need for you to expand on that


mags

[Verpies]

id need for you to expand on that

The "preservation" refers to the quantity of charge (expressed in Coulombs) before and after the transfer.
IOW: Is charge conserved in such transfer ?

[Magluvin]

The "preservation" refers to the quantity of charge (expressed in Coulombs) before and after the transfer.
IOW: Is charge conserved in such transfer ?

did you mean conservation of charge?

mags

[Verpies]

Yes, is charge conserved in such transfer ?

[Magluvin]

Yes, is charge conserved in such transfer ?

charge into the earth?
mags