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I build the nanopulser according to the PDF attached below (see diagram taken from pdf).

The pulse across a 50 ohm resistor can be seen in the screenshot.
Voltage on the drain was 200V.

I used my Russian KD226 Diode as the P600M diode in the diagram only produced a 820v pulse.

I still try various other things to improve on the nanopulse, but i have a hard time believing i could
come close to the claimed 2kV @ 2ns pulse mentioned in the pdf.


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Hmmm, it seems that the capacitor(s) in series with dsr diode D (P600M) are critical.

This C (2n2/10kV and 4n7/10kV) of 6.9nF needs to be around 6.9nF in combination with P600M to produce the highest pulse.

My used 3x paralleled 2n2/3kV ceramic caps (so 6.6nF) seems to be very instable due to heat.
After soldering them in, the P600M produced, like mentioned, only a 820V pulse.
Lateron it suddenly was at 1.5kV then dropping down again to 900V or so.

Heating up those 3 capacitors with my sodering iron close by, changed the capacitance from around 7nF to more then half.

Even touching them with my finger shows a significant drop to way below the needed 6.6nF.
As they also heat up under normal operation it is hard to stabilize them at the needed 6.6nF.

I added a 4th 2.2nF cap parallel and was able by heating up those 4 caps to attain the highest pulse (1.5kV).
I need either some better quality caps or create a temperature controlled setup for those caps.


Another problem is that there is HV noise at both the gate and drain right after they switch which pops up at about 150V and higher on the drain.

This 80V HV gate noise (allthough i have a 18V tvs there) and similar 800V drain noise (allthough i have a 440V tvs) occure with or without the nanopulse present (so even if i disconnect the dsr diode).

Guess its the general MOSFET setup which causes this noise / feedback, so better chokes and decoupling is in order.


Found this pdf using the humble 1N4007 diode as pin diode to switch HV RF loads, to be used lateron:

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Good work and experiments, Itsu. Thank you for demonstrating this sharp pulser.

What do you intend to do with these very sharp pulses? Do you have an end goal in mind?

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Hi ion,

the idea is as mentioned in post #124 of this thread:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3691.msg71665#msg71665

it says:


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Meanwhile back at the ranch.........


Concerning the hunt for the 45.5Mhz NMR response to an iron powdered toroid:

I dusted off my nanopulser and i will try to make it alive again, stable and boxed in.

The idea is to use this nanopulse (± 1KV) as the big gun to be fired to the iron powdered toroid to
see if this will cause any 45.5Mhz NMR response.

One of the problems will be to protect the Spectrum Analyzer / Scope inputs during the pulse, but have it
fully opened for "listening" for the response.


The above attached pdf would be a cheap circuit to try to switch the SA input off and on on the right moment.

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Busy with some replications on overunity.com, like:

https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg534026/#msg534026

and

https://overunity.com/18210/radiant-power-from-solid-state-tesla-hairpin-circuit/msg533994/#msg533994

For the first one ION made a simulation in LTspice which would be interesting to have for some tuning on the real thing.

ION, you could attach it here if you like,  thanks.


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Dear Itsu

My simulation was crude and maybe not even that accurate, but only a starting point. You can get any output value less than unity by adjusting K. This  effectively loosely correlates to the distance between coils.

partzman and poynt are much better at these sims than I am. These guys are my mentors with simulations so maybe they can offer better versions. Perhaps they can figure out a way to sweep the frequency over a small range of interest and log power in the load resistors.

I guess the so called "disruptive" drive circuit (touted by AKing21, RF) that we call an FET driver could also be added.

At any rate I will post the first crude draft and it can be modified or upgraded as needed. I saw no need for the diodes and storage caps as the power could go directly to the 50 ohm resistors, but those can also be added.

Thank you for your diligent work and as always excellent builds.

Regards

P.S. Can anyone explain why there is an offset in the power supplied by V1 ?


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Thanks ION,

Its a good start.
i do not see any offset though.

Anyway, i changed the RX circuits to be a series LC (same as the TX) and changed V1 to a pulsed DC square wave
9V 50% duty cycle and removed the 50 Ohm resistor (10 Ohm series resistance).

Unloaded (K = 0.0) i now have some similar voltage as my real circuit across TX L and C (350V) at resonance frequency (1.246mhz).

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I added a gate driver so the sim is now close to what i have (still no FWBR / buffer cap on the receivers though).

picture shows the sim running with a probe across the R5 resistor.

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Ion and Itsu,

Just a thought on your current simulations of the RF circuit,  your K factor statement as structured isn't accurate as you have specified that the centers between any and all coils are identical.  This is impossible with 5 coils equally spaced in an outer circumference with the primary in the center.  Without equal spacing of the coils, the K factor statements will become really complicated in order to accurately model the coupling factors.

So, without showing the math solution, the number of divisions needed in the circumference to provide the spacing equal to the radius is N = 2*pi = 6.28.  So, 6 coils equally spaced in the circumference is closer to equaling the radius of the circle than does five.  This will more than likely not affect the outcome however.

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PM,

thanks for the heads up, sounds logical, i did not realize that.

But as you said it will be really complicated to accuratly model them and probably will not affect the outcome much, so will leave it as it is.

Thanks anyway.


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Well, the weather is horrible at the moment so just for kicks, here is a sim with six secondaries with specs taken from actual coils.  The coils are placed tightly together as shown with a minimum but equal distance between centers.  This results in a coupling factor K of -.07.  Data is also shown for K = -.03 by moving the coils out evenly but still maintaining equal distance between centers which results in a higher output but lower efficiency.

The 1k load resistors on the parallel resonant outputs yield an approximate maximum efficiency with the series resonant input on the primary.

As is seen, the maximum COP with K = -.07 is 1.0789/1.1169 = .966 .  With K = -.03 as the coils are moved farther away from the primary, the COP = 5.6009/6.9381 = .807 .

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Hi PM,

nicely done,   but how do you know the used setup (7 coils) results in the coupling factor of -.07?

And i would of thought that any negative coupling factor would not be possible, at least not in the real world.

Anyway, the cop of 0.966 is very good.


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Hi PM,

nicely done,   but how do you know the used setup (7 coils) results in the coupling factor of -.07?

And i would of thought that any negative coupling factor would not be possible, at least not in the real world.

Anyway, the cop of 0.966 is very good.


Thanks   Itsu

Thanks and good Questions! 

First, the coupling factor was determined by using just two identical air coils placed vertically on a flat surface and moved together so the windings just touch.  The start of each coil winding is at the top and we'll call that the "dot".  Then by using the six secondary/one primary configuration with equal centers between coils, we can tell LtSpice that the coupling factor between any two adjacent coils is a single K factor we calculate and LtSpice will generate the needed coupling matrix between any and all of the coils.

To calculate the K factor, we place the coils as described above and first connect the dot of L1 to an inductance meter (IM), the finish of L1 to the dot of L2, and the finish of L2 to the IM.  This results in a measurement of 612uH or Lplus.  If this is confusing, picture the coils placed end-to-end and we have them connected in a series inductance aid configuration.  We then simply move the coils into the position as described. 

We then connect dot of L1 to the dot of L2 and the finish of L1 to the IM with the finish still connected also to the IM.  This results in a measurement of 703uH or Lminus.  With the coils again pictured end-to-end we now have them connected in a buck configuration.

We will now calculate the mutual coupling using M = (Lplus-Lminus)/4 = (612e-6-703e-6)/4 = -2.275e-5 .  From this we can now calculate the coupling using K = M/(L1*L2)^.5 or because L1 = L2 we can use K = M/L1 = -2.275e-5/332e-6 = -.0685 rounding to -.07 .

Changing the K factors to positive does slightly change the numbers so this may all be up for interpretation.

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PM,

OK, i understand you calculate the the coupling factor using real coils, then use that found data to use in the SIM.


Thanks for the additional info.

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Busy with some replications on overunity.com, like:

https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg534026/#msg534026

and

https://overunity.com/18210/radiant-power-from-solid-state-tesla-hairpin-circuit/msg533994/#msg533994

For the first one ION made a simulation in LTspice which would be interesting to have for some tuning on the real thing.

ION, you could attach it here if you like,  thanks.


Itsu


I think i will return soon to the project i was working on (2KV nanopulser to create a NMR response on an iron toroid).
because the 2 project that came inbetween will be dropped soon.

The Master Ivo radiant energy project due to the heavy advertising on his video's, the constant requests for
donations which i do not want to participate in and lately the lack of any continued progress.

The other project due to limited or no progress in finding anything out of the ordinary in my tests.


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I am trying to tie up some loose ends with my last replication attempt on OU.com

One of the loose end is the suggestion from Tinsel to make the big coil autoresonant so we would not need to retune after each change (add / remove of satellite coils).

It was mentioned here:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536609/#msg536609


So i added some zener diodes (5.1V), a 10K resistor and an antenna to my gate driver, see diagram.

What i want to see is to start the oscillation in the big coil tank circuit using the FG, then when it oscillates disconnect the FG signal and have the gate driver oscillate at
the tank circuit resonant frequency (193KHz) via the pickup antenna.

But it does not work that way right now, so i wonder if this basic setup has a flaw somewhere before looking for some other problems.

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Try swapping the capacitor and coil?  Then measure both ends of coil and look for higher voltage as a sign of resonance.

You may need to also add a tiny amount of resistance to ground on your gate drive input, as the internal capacitance might be holding the gate always-on.  Sometimes the gates will trigger in a very specifc voltage around 1-2v.
As a test you can try driving an LED and slowly sweep voltage across the input of the gate driver to see at what voltage the LED flips, then scope and bias the antenna around that voltage 'knee' with a resistor.


Looks like it could be a very efficient resonator. :)
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I am trying to tie up some loose ends with my last replication attempt on OU.com

One of the loose end is the suggestion from Tinsel to make the big coil autoresonant so we would not need to retune after each change (add / remove of satellite coils).

It was mentioned here:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536609/#msg536609


So i added some zener diodes (5.1V), a 10K resistor and an antenna to my gate driver, see diagram.

What i want to see is to start the oscillation in the big coil tank circuit using the FG, then when it oscillates disconnect the FG signal and have the gate driver oscillate at
the tank circuit resonant frequency (193KHz) via the pickup antenna.

But it does not work that way right now, so i wonder if this basic setup has a flaw somewhere before looking for some other problems.

Itsu

Good day ITSU

Take a look at the attached schematic: It is a self_resonant driver using a CD4046BE & a NE555 timer IC.  It is NOT PLL, as the raw output from PC1 (phase comparator 1) is used to switch a CD4001 (to produce a complimentary drive signal).
I have attached some scope shots of from the running device.  It is crude but effective and will lock onto a signal from the ground line (using a CT) of a Karcher or Tesla coil as well.
See attached photo of device as well.  In operating photo, the self-resonant device is switching a H-bridge which is running a large air coil at resonance.
It is a quick build and not very demanding....... you probably already have all the parts on your bench.

I like the idea of your 2KV diode pulser.... what is the fastest frequency it will operate at?

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Try swapping the capacitor and coil?  Then measure both ends of coil and look for higher voltage as a sign of resonance.

You may need to also add a tiny amount of resistance to ground on your gate drive input, as the internal capacitance might be holding the gate always-on.  Sometimes the gates will trigger in a very specifc voltage around 1-2v.
As a test you can try driving an LED and slowly sweep voltage across the input of the gate driver to see at what voltage the LED flips, then scope and bias the antenna around that voltage 'knee' with a resistor.


Looks like it could be a very efficient resonator. :)

Thanks, the LC is resonating when driven by the FG, i have at 12V input on the gate driver
some 3.3KV when tuned at the 193KHz frequency of the FG and loaded by my HV probe.

But when disconnecting the FG it stops oscillating for now.

Not sure what you mean by "holding the gate always-on.." and "the gates will trigger.." as
i have no real gate (MOSFET).

I will try to add some resistance.


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Good day ITSU

Take a look at the attached schematic: It is a self_resonant driver using a CD4046BE & a NE555 timer IC.  It is NOT PLL, as the raw output from PC1 (phase comparator 1) is used to switch a CD4001 (to produce a complimentary drive signal).
I have attached some scope shots of from the running device.  It is crude but effective and will lock onto a signal from the ground line (using a CT) of a Karcher or Tesla coil as well.
See attached photo of device as well.  In operating photo, the self-resonant device is switching a H-bridge which is running a large air coil at resonance.
It is a quick build and not very demanding....... you probably already have all the parts on your bench.

I like the idea of your 2KV diode pulser.... what is the fastest frequency it will operate at?

Take care, peace
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Hi Lost_bro

thanks for the diagram and pictures, looking fine as always.  O0

I did use similar circuits to drive kachers and SSTC's using 555's etc. so i know they work.

The setup i use now is new to me (using a gate driver chip as autoresonator) so not shure it could work.


Concerning the 2KV nano pulser, yes thats a work in progress, but this one is designed to
work at 1 second pulse repetition frequency, so very slow.


The circuit used for it though (post #225 above) says in the pdf it can run up to 50KHz, but i doubt it.

I have build nano pulsers before, but at 20KHz the MOSFET gets hot very quick.


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Seen TK his response on OU.com and the little diagram.

Will try to work on that tonight,  Thanks.


I still have my username on OU.com, so can login and post (if i want) and do PM's, both send and receive.

Please all,   enough said about Itsu overthere, i am monitoring only there and working from here for the time being.
As said, i can send and receive PM's there, so just send one if you feel the need.
 

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Good day Itsu

Here is a tried and true 'FET driver' auto-resonant feedback driver circuit from the coilers.
The driver output is run thru a GDT to avoid the HV from frying the FET driver IC.
The 555 interrupter is used to 'ring' the secondary and start the feedback loop and of course interrupt the driver for pulsed output.

This is similar to the above 'antenna' feedback driver.

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Thanks Lost,

i did build something like this last year, see diagram of the same guy i guess.

It still is laying around here somewhere gathering dust for now.


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I modified my gate driver to comply to TK's autoresonance circuit shown above and it seems to work nicely  O0
With the FG active there is a stronger signal, but thats probably due to the antenna length / matching.

This autoresonance setup enables me to load the tank without the need for retuning after change in load.

Many thanks to TK and of course to Reiyuki and Lost_bro.

video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T06x4cDHEEQ

New diagram of my setup now  (BE AWARE, THE LOWER DIODE WAS WRONG, NOW CORRECTED!!)

Itsu 
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I got a notification that the bottom 1N60 diode in MY diagram was wrong.
I have now corrected that, the live circuit had the diode the correct way around, so the video
is of the correct situation.

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