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I have opened this bench as a result of listener196 putting my paper's title "Bucking Coils produce Energy Gain" on the shoutbox.  Member polyrhythm then put a link to scribd.com where you can view this paper.  I don't know how this paper got into scibd.com but looking at it reminded me of things I did years ago and have forgotten.  In fact it led me to discover a folder on a memory stick that I used to get data from an old computer I had for 20 years when I updated to a new one.  The folder name is "Bucking Coils" and I had completely forgotten of its existence.  It goes back to 2012 where I initially wrote a paper looking at Osamu Ide's OU converter.  There was a member here, called EMJunkie if I remember correctly, who was very much into bucking coils.  After some disagreements he went off and set up his own forum.  It seems his bench has been deleted and I may have posted stuff there.

The thing of interest here is that a pair of identical coils that are physically separated on a transformer core (like small coils at diametrically opposite positions on a ring core) can be connected in series aiding or series opposing (bucking) to produce a total inductance value that is either four times the individual inductance value or close to zero if there is zero magnetic propagation time between the two coils.  That statement in italics is important because we know that there is a finite time for magnetic signals to travel along the core.  Transformer theory generally ignores this.  When you do the math for sinewave signals you find that the finite propagation time not only affects the inductance value of the series connected coils but also introduces a resistance value.  This resistance value is independent of the actual resistance of the coils, it is generated by the presence of the magnetic delay.  For aiding coils the resistance is positive, and for bucking coils the resistance is negative.  The math demonstrating this is quite trivial, yet in all my years of studying EM theory I have never come across this.

Negative resistance is a source of energy.  The fact that a passive device can produce energy is a huge thing to contemplate and contemporary science does not recognize its existence.  I attach a file that I wrote in 2017 that discusses this and suggests experiments to investigate it.

This paper also touches on another possibility for an overunity heater using the Curie point.  We wind a coil using resistance wire to heat the core to its Curie point using pulses of current.  A fan carries heat away so the core temperature cycles above and below that temperature.  With the right circuitry we gain energy.  It would require an array of small cores.

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If the coil were made of wire as elastic as rubber and conduct as copper.  When current flows, it would stretch, increasing in diameter.and it perform mechanical work.
The magnetic energy of the rubber coil will also increase. In this case, we only need to increase the current in the coil with increasing diameter.  O0
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If the coil were made of wire as elastic as rubber and conduct as copper.
Why not made out of spring instead of rubber, ...like this ?:
   

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If the coil were made of wire as elastic as rubber and conduct as copper.  When current flows, it would stretch, increasing in diameter.and it perform mechanical work.
The magnetic energy of the rubber coil will also increase. In this case, we only need to increase the current in the coil with increasing diameter.  O0
And that current is feeding a voltage from the coil demanding energy from the current source that exactly matches the mechanical work performed.
   

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that exactly matches the mechanical work performed.
True. But what if we stretch the plates of a parametric capacitor using mechanical work?
The capacitor increases its energy and will supply current to the coil.
The only problem is the size.
   
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Hi Smudge,

Have you considered running your paper by Copilot AI?

It will provide a vigorous review of the concept and mathematics.

I have revisited a number of past projects using this technique to confirm the negative results I obtained and to see if the AI could suggest any modifications.

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Would you say negative resistance is a vacuum and positive resistance is a pressure?
   

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Hi Smudge,

Have you considered running your paper by Copilot AI?

It will provide a vigorous review of the concept and mathematics.

I have revisited a number of past projects using this technique to confirm the negative results I obtained and to see if the AI could suggest any modifications.

Regards  L192

In my limited experience of using AI you get different answers when you phrase your question in different ways. It doesn't find fault in the math predicitng negative resistance but goes on to say that any energy gained from this will obey CoE, resuting in energy being supplied, but doesn't give the math to show that.  Of course that may be true, converting parts of the core into delay lines demands RF current to flow in those extra windings that could add an induced positive resistance.  A more detailed math analysis might show this but that is now beyond my capability.  IMO an experiment would be a quicker way of discovering this, that too is beyond me.

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In my limited experience of using AI you get different answers when you phrase your question in different ways.
That has been my experience, too. 

Comparing different AI models I found that Claude Opus is least susceptible to leading questions.
Have you had any experience with it ?
   
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