This next transcript is even more sensational, it adds more info to Kapanaadze's devices and proves he copied or modified Don Smith:
Transcript
Conversation between Korney, Tariel and Gia
[Korney] Oh, there you are finally, where have you been?
[Gia] At the doctors.
[Korney] With Tariel, you mean?
[Gia] No, no, my own tests.
[Korney] Ah, so you got sick yourself?
[Gia] Yeah.
[Korney] Damn, what happened?
[Gia] My gallbladder has been hurting for almost a year.
[Korney] Your gallbladder hurts?
[Gia] Yes.
[Korney] Damn, what do the doctors say?
[Gia] I don't know, I took blood and urine tests yesterday. This is an ultrasound or something. I did
everything, today I must go swallow some tubes.
[Korney] You're getting a gastroscopy today?
[Gia] Yes.
[Korney] Oh, damn.
I was wondering where you guys disappeared to. I called Tariel, he's asleep, his wife says. They
drugged him up again.
[Gia] Tariel doesn't have a wife.
[Korney] What?
[Gia] Tariel doesn't have a wife.
[Korney] Ah, he doesn't?
[Gia] Mamuka's wife.
[Korney] Lola, right?
[Gia] Lola, yes.
[Korney] Whose friend's wife is she?
[Gia] Our friend's.
[Korney] I remember, at first, there was a wife.
[Gia] Ah, yes.
[Korney] A young girl, right?
[Gia] That’s Tariel's friend's daughter.
[Korney] Ah... How's Tariel doing now, is he on his own?
[Gia] Yeah, he was there and then at his son's. He was also lying down.
[Korney] Oh, damn. How's Tariel doing, has he gotten better?
[Gia] Yeah, I think he's getting better.
[Korney] And when will he show up?
[Gia] He'll be here in about 5 minutes, I think.
[Korney] Ah, he's coming to your place?
[Gia] Yes, he should be coming.
[Korney] Ah, it would be nice to talk.
[Gia] We're leaving, it seems.
[Korney] What?
[Gia] We have to... we're leaving for some business.
[Korney] Ah, you're leaving right away, or can you stay for 10 minutes?
[Gia] Well, we can do 10 minutes.
[Korney] Well, damn, I'm already wondering what happened.
I think nothing happened to Tariel.
[Gia] Damn, why didn't Olya tell you yesterday that I wasn't there?
[Korney] Ah, I don't know.
[Gia] So many people wrote me that...
[Korney] Really?
[Gia] Yes.
[Korney] No, I logged in, I saw you were online. Well, it's visible when you send this thing, and
there's a spinning thing there. I see you're online, I'm thinking, what the hell.
[Gia] Yeah, Lola called me that I... I was at the hospital until 9 pm.
[Korney] Wow.
[Gia] A new clinic opened there. They do all the tests from 9 am to 9 pm and give the results the
same day.
[Korney] Ah, wow, that's good, well done.
[Gia] Then I went with friends, there was something to finish there. I came back at 6 am.
[Korney] At 6 am? What were you doing? Damn, didn't your wife give you a hard time?
[Gia] Why? It was for business. Huh? I'm on business, she's calling now. Hold on. Hello. Hello,
Olya.
Hello. They have bad reception.
[Korney] Phew, damn, so Tariel is feeling better. Well, thank God, thank God. How are things going
with the patent?
[Gia] Hold on.
[Korney] Hello.
[Gia – on phone] Well, what do you want, I'm a little busy. Where will I find her, Olya? Well, if I
see her, I won't look for her. Hello, are you there?
[Korney] Ah, you're done already, right?
[Gia] Yes.
[Korney] Phew. I couldn't find that circuit diagram now.
[Gia – to Tariel] Who is he, what does he need? ...
[Tariel] Work phone
[Gia] Tariel is here, Andrei.
[Korney] Ah, Tariel. Tariel, hello, this is Andrei.
[Tariel] Andrei, how are you?
[Korney] Hello, dear friend. How's your health? Gia tells me it's terrible.
[Tariel] Yes.
[Korney] How did you let yourself get into such a terrible state?
[Tariel] Well, what can you do?
[Korney] Well, listen, maybe you should... I already told Gia, maybe some medicine? Maybe, I don't
know, maybe some kind of...
[Tariel] Dear friend, what helps with diabetes?
[Korney] Ah, diabetes? Insulin.
[Tariel] Well, I don't know, they took me off insulin. They say I just need to follow a regimen.
[Gia] It doesn't always work out.
[Tariel] Yes.
[Korney] Oh, damn, you should at least measure your sugar several times a day. How could you let
it get to this point?
If, God forbid, there is a coma, one could even die from such a thing.
[Tariel] That's true.
[Korney] Tariel, why are you scaring me like this? I told Gia, that's it. I said, Tariel is messing with
his health. Listen, Tariel, what are we going to do about our business, how are we going to move
forward?
[Tariel] You’re right, we're going to patent it now. Well, I mean, we'll see, there are some offers to
patent it. And it will be easier later.
[Korney] So, one doesn't interfere with the other, right?
[Tariel] Yes.
[Tariel] So, we have no other problems. None, just this and that's it.
[Gia] So they don't find fault later, we have problems here too.
[Korney] So I told you guys, I told Gia that it's possible, you don't have to sell it, maybe your son,
you have a contract with Vestel, right? Your son doesn't have a contract, for example, right? Or Gia
doesn't have a contract either. So he can easily do it and then you'll be out of it. And the fact that the
money will go to you, well, that doesn't bother anyone, you understand?
[Tariel] Can I think about it, Andrei?
[Korney] Yes, of course. The only thing is, I see you have health problems. I've already borrowed
money from the bank, I've already agreed with the industrialist.
Well, they called me, asked me how things were going. I said, the guy is still in the hospital.
[Tariel] Well, it's been a day or two since I left that place. We'll see. We had some very heartfelt
conversations with the Turks.
[Korney] With the Turks?
[Tariel] Yes.
[Korney] So they are clinging to you?
[Tariel] I don't know how to put it. No matter what you do for them, they always consider you
extreme. We are already tired, we went to our place.
There was no money for food, they brought us to that. And once again, I said, I don't want to get into
such a stupid situation.
[Korney] So what do they want from you anyway?
[Tariel] Ah, I know what they want. They want it but... well, how to explain...
[Gia] And they don't believe it.
[Tariel] No, they do believe. They just want to find something in your behavior. Or just take it for
free.
I don't know what to do with them anymore. Well, I’m in fact done with them.
[Korney] Got it.
[Tariel] So, we'll think now how to get to you.
[Korney] How to get to us? Very simple. I make an invitation and that's it, I'll transfer the money.
[Tariel] You understand that this, what's it called, the Italian embassy, I haven't dealt with it to be
honest. Or you'll get through to something, you'll shout out
[Korney] Yes, with an invitation it's possible, I can call from here, make an appointment for you.
Then you would go to the Italian embassy.
I think they will grant the visa. I don't know why they wouldn't be able to grant it. The only thing is,
they might not grant it for Gia because he's a young guy. But they will definitely grant it to you.
[Tariel] So it's the same in Italy, right, about young people?
[Korney] Well, of course, yes. Because you're chasing, the elderly ones, they don't stay to work.
And the young ones stay.
That's why they're afraid to give visas, even tourist ones.
[Tariel] You understand, the conversation here is about how to somehow... The company has to
guarantee, but you send visas. Do you understand?
The entrepreneur you're supposed to work with, he has to help you with something, so that this...
This problem at least wouldn't exist.
[Korney] You mean the buyer, right?
[Tariel] Probably, yes.
[Korney] He can help.
He can help, but... I honestly think it's better not to contact him on such matters. Because we can
basically do it ourselves.
[Tariel] Then let's do it this way. We have a chance to get a European visa. Do you understand?
We'll see.
[Korney] What you’re saying? I couldn’t hear it.
[Tariel] We'll wait for 2-3 days because we have to get an answer...
[Korney] For the patent, right?
[Tariel] The union's response, yes, and then we can calmly...
[Gia] Move around Europe... If we get a visa. Not an Italian one, but...
[Korney] No, no, any of them will do, of course. You can easily travel with a German visa, no
problem.
[Tariel] Well, there is also a German, and a Polish, and...
[Korney] Czech. Yes, and Polish is suitable, Czech, yes.
[Gia] Yes, I think it's easier there. Italians don't do that.
[Korney] Polish is easier, yes. No, well, Italians can grant it, because I give a guarantee here, I take
responsibility for these people. And if they don't leave within the specified period, then I will be
deprived of my documents here permanently, do you understand?
That is, I make this invitation, sign such a document, which I take responsibility for.
[Gia] You understand, so, we need to get a visa for three months, they give it, that is, they told us
that they can grant a business visa.
[Korney] Aha.
[Tariel] And then it will be easier for us.
[Gia] Yes, they’re telling us that the second time they’re going to grant a three-year business visa.
But only if we do not violate terms and leave within these three months.
[Korney] You will come back, right?
[Gia] Yes.
[Tariel] Well, it's good that I will be there and everyone will also be there.
[Korney] Well, yes, for sure.
[Tariel] Well, would be best if you work on that within the next two or three days. Well, as a last
resort, your visa will be needed, your invitation...
[Korney] Well, you don't have to worry about your health here, Tariel, because the medical care
here is good, and everyone will be put on their feet right away. In detail, that is, there are no
problems with this here. Any medicines, whatever you want, all this is free, you don't have to pay
for anything.
Medical care is free in Italy. So you walk around with this calmer. You can go without fear.
For example, in Germany, if you don't have insurance, then, damn it, you won't pay, they won't treat
you. But that’s not the case in Italy. Here there is no insurance... Well, actually there is an insurance
and you can apply for it, but even if you don't, the medical care is free.
Listen, Tariel, what I wanted to ask, Gia and I were talking about this setup. I wanted to ask, well,
you pump 220v or 12v into the primary circuit?
[Tariel] No, I can pump it with both 12v and 220v. It's problematic... And if I use 220v, I can put a
diode bridge there...
[Tariel] But the DC is needed. It’s possible to do with AC, but there the circuit becomes more
complicated.
[Korney] No, I saw that you used inverters for 220 volts.
[Tariel] Well, not really, so to speak. Here’s what happens there. You make a diode bridge and that's
it, off you go. But I mostly started it with 9v batteries. Well, and with a car battery, of course.
[Korney] But with a 9v battery, you then convert it to high-voltage, right? To excite the primary...
That is, those transistors that pump the primary are probably suffering, right?
[Tariel] They burn out. We threw them out in buckets there.
[Korney] Really? These are the ones on the primary, right? The ones that are suffering were only
present in that green device, right? (NOTE: he means green box).
[Tariel] Yes and the driving circuitry is completely different.
[Korney] Because, yes, I know that, for example, you can pump it hard with 12 volts and the
transistors can withstand it easily. But if you raise the voltage, especially when it’s fed into such a
short primary...
[Tariel] They're burning out there.
[Korney] Yes, yes, they start to burn out, damn it, straight away. So I ordered that wire. I asked Gia,
I ordered that 2.5 square mm wire.
[Tariel] Good, it will come in handy when you arrive.
[Korney] I hope, Tariel, I hope that you will come after all.
[Tariel] Two or three days, and we'll figure out what's what, and we'll contact you.
[Gia] Listen, have you seen those two light bulbs that the guy did?
[Korney] Whom?
[Tariel] Some guy got 200 volts.
[Gia] 200 watts.
[Tariel] Right, 200 watts.
[Korney] Where? I mean, who did that? Oh, I think it was Lord (NOTE: he means DragonsLord76 –
the founder of the matri-x.ru forum). I sent you the materials related to it, right?
Well, you see, Lord was able to get the Smith circuit working...
[Tariel] Yes, yes, Donald Smith.[Korney] The one with two secondary coils.
[Gia] I read that Smith himself couldn't make more than 50 kilowatts.
[Korney] No, Smith did 160 kilowatts, right? That little thing of his gave 160 kilowatts. He raised
the output voltage there to 8000 volts.
So, as I understand it, Tariel already has 220 volts coming out right away, correct?
[Tariel] Yes, yes, yes.
[Korney] I mean, you already take 220 volts directly from the secondary?
[Tariel] You take it directly. You can have 50 volts, or whatever you want...
[Korney] So it depends on how you pump the primary circuit, right? I mean to get that 50 volts on
the secondary.
[Tariel] I meant Hertz.
[Korney] No, not hertz, I meant voltage, like 220 volts.
[Tariel] Well, you can do 110v too.
[Korney] Well, I mean, you already get, for example, 110 volts on the secondary?
[Tariel] Yes. I get as much as I want.
[Korney] And how much you get already depends on the secondary, right? How much you wind it.
More windings, less windings?
[Tariel] The secondary circuit... It's a matter of the secondary circuit, in fact. What you put in there,
it will give out the same.
[Korney] Well, so it depends... That is, let’s say, you pump with 200 volts on the primary. On the
secondary, you could add a little more turns to get 300v there. And if you got less turns, you get less
output, right?
[Tariel] Well, right, can be added or removed, depending on how much you want to get there.
[Korney] Right, yes. It's just that
this Smith, when he did it, he did it very high voltage. He made the
output of 8 kilovolts on the secondary, and then stepped it down through capacitors.
[Tariel] Yes, he lowered the voltage using step-down transformers.[Korney] No no. He stepped it down through... He was charging very large capacitors.
And afterwards it was stepped down through transformers. He had 160 kilowatts coming out of a
small unit. You could hold it in your hands.
[Tariel] He was on the internet...
[Gia] 160 kilowatts, I don't know, I haven't read it. The Internet says 50 kilowatts.
[Korney] No, you look at this one. There is Smith's on YouTube .. He already explained on the free
energy forum, everything’s in English there. And he just says that the output of the device he holds
in his hands is 160 kilowatts. This little one he shows there.
[Tariel] Well, someone said that you can even fit this stuff into a matchbox, right?
[Korney] No, it was Lord bragging. He says, like, Kapanadze doesn't understand anything about
electronics. I will do it, all the electronics will be in the box, the one that controls all of this. Well,
Lord is quite a character. A real sly fox...
[Gia] Let him suffer

[Korney] In short, he got the result according to Smith - was able to excite the primary.
But he pumps in high voltage there, 1.5kv, I think.
[Gia] Yes, and he is still in Russia, let him not forget.
[Korney] Yes, Russia. They'll give him a pine box instead of a paycheck. Putin is there...
[Korney] They will just tear him to pieces.
[Korney] In short, well, Tariel, I was just asking about this, I just wanted to experiment at home
myself. You know.
I wanted to experiment, try to drive that primary and secondary and see what happens. That's why I
asked, how many volts I should pump into the primary. So it's better to put more volts, right? Let's
say around 220v.
[Gia] You mean into the primary?
[Korney] Yes, into the primary to excite it.
[Gia] Can be that much or it could be less. If you charge it with a 9-volt battery, the circuit just
becomes more complicated and that's it...
[Tariel] Yes, it gets a little more complicated.
[Korney] But with a 9-volt one, you still need to raise the voltage, right?
[Tariel] Yes, of course.
[Korney] ok you raise the voltage. Can you give me a hint as to how many volts I should apply to
the primary?
[Tariel] Well, again, it depends on you. If the calculation is correct, you should get 200-300
kilohertz and then the rest is the usual work.
[Korney] So, it’s at 200-300 kilohertz, but what is the amplitude? That is, what voltage is used?
[Tariel] Voltage is 12 volts. I mean 9 volts.
[Korney] Ah, it’s just 9 volts at 200-300 kilohertz on the primary, right?
[Tariel] Yes, yes, yes. The makes the circuit complicated. That's why I avoid these, but I made a lot
of the devices based on a 9v battery. It’s a regular 9 volt battery. There are some milliamps there.
[Gia] 200 milliamps
[Korney] Well, yes.
[Korney] So, as I understand it, you excite the primary with 200-300 kilohertz,
12 volts is the amplitude. And the secondary, as you said, should be short.
[Tariel] Well, again, it all depends on how much you want to get at the output.
[Korney] And then your secret lies in how you extract the energy from the coil?
[Tariel] The whole secret lies in the calculation of how to extract exactly the voltage, amperage, and
frequency that you need. That's it.[Korney] No, I mean, the secret is in the third coil, that is, how you control it there, right?
[Tariel] You have a pickup coil, the output one.
[Korney] And the third coil turns out to be the output, right?
[Tariel] Yes.
[Korney] Like Tesla's extra-coil, right?
[Tariel] Yes. If you noticed, Tesla had a flat coil hanging on the wall. And this coil played a
significant role in everything else ...
[Korney] What is this coil?
[Tariel] It’s on the wall, if you looked there...
[Korney] Yes, yes, this is a large flat coil..
[Tariel] Flat coil, yes. Well, you can also make a conical one and we also did that, but still this flat
one turns out better.
[Korney] Ah, and that one turns out to be the output coil, right?
[Tariel] No, it’s not the output coil, but it does a lot in Tesla's experiments.
[Korney] Got it. Well, okay, I won't bother you much anymore.
[Tariel] Okay...
[Korney] Well, you understand, I won't steal anything from you and I'm not even trying to do it. It’s
just interesting to me, at least to tinker with something, to experiment. You know, sitting at home
doing nothing doesn't really lift your spirits. Guys, well, then I'm waiting for news from you. Gia, so
please call me, okay?
[Gia] Andrei, we need to go.
[Korney] Well, that's all, guys, take care. Tariel, hang in there, take care of your health, God forbid
anything happens to you. Gia, you too, keep an eye on Tariel, don't abandon him.
[Gia] I won't abandon him

[Korney] Okay, guys, take care. I was glad to hear from you. Tariel, I hope you won't get into such a
terrible state of health again.
[Gia] We hope so too.
[Korney] All the best, guys. I was very glad to hear from you.
[Tariel] All the best.
[Korney] Take care, bye-bye.
Electrostatic induction: Put a 1KV charge on 1 plate of a capacitor. What does the environment do to the 2nd plate?