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Maybe these clips show something of interest, 2nd Clip shows regular generator action load (rpm slows), neutral action with load (rpm no change), acceleration action with load, and also a more dramatic acceleration under short circuit, Waveforms show the "tune".

Well, in these clips you got single static magnetic pole still moving across coil..
The fundamental requirement is to have magnet with flipping poles as it moves... ;)
   
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Quote from: Jose Alfonso Hernando
It is only now when I have realized the significance of my experimenting with diamagnetism and its impact on the contemporary power production and the Lenz Law. This experimenting reveals that diamagnetism is only a temporarily induced property.
Diamagnetism is caused by induction of circular (eddy) electric currents within some materials, copper being one of them. As an external magnetic field approaches copper (let copper stand in for any diamagnetic material), eddy currents induced within copper create their own magnetic field, which always opposes the polarity of the induction field. Therefore the copper is temporarily repulsed by the approaching external magnetic field, disregards its polarity. This repulsion eventually disappears as the eddy currents within cease to flow. Once the magnetic field is being withdrawn from the copper, the diamagnetism reverses and now the copper follows, or appears to be attracted by the external magnetic field. This is the underlying principle behind the Lenz Law effect in copper coil assisted standard power generation.

Ferromagnetism is again caused by induced eddy currents within the ferromagnetic material (let iron stand for all ferromagnetic materials). The differences between diamagnetism and ferromagnetism are as follows:
  • Iron material structure organizes itself under the influence of an external magnetic field for the duration of that influence, as opposed to diamagnetism.
  • Ferromagnetism is always attractive, as opposed to diamagnetism, which is directionally alternating.
  • Iron has the capacity to grossly enhance the density of the external magnetic field, as opposed to diamagnetism, which never even matches the density of the external field. The ferromagnetic enhancement is caused by domain restructuring. While diamagnetism only induces eddies in the existing crystalline structure, ferromagnetism also changes the material structure by blocks (domains).

Ed Leedskalnin has stated "I made more electricity with steel, than I ever made with copper", because he has found out during his experimentations that induction of steel wire coil by a magnetic field always caused attractive force between the inducing field and the field of the induced coil, as opposed to a copper coil. This means that a magnetic rotor finger approaching a steel coil is attracted to that coil. As it retreats, it is again attracted to it. This comes to a wash and there is no net back torque on the rotor except for friction.

Following that, Ed Leedskalnin had built a generator with steel wire windings, or more likely rewound an existing one securing for himself his own source of free electric power. He lived happily ever after till the time when his vanity got better of him and made him to apply for a patent on his invention. Only that this is the big No-No explicitly spelled out in US Patent Office regulations. US Patent Office will not issue a patent for anything, which is claimed to provide free energy or, in their own language, a perpetual motion machine. Because Ed's was an over unity device, Ed's patent application has never made it into the US patent office records, never mind ever being granted.

And, because someone got somehow hold of Ed's patent application and found out (or knew) that the thing worked, Ed Leedskalnin had suddenly died "of cancer".

http://noticiasseleccionvaldeandemagico.blogspot.com/2014/07/leedskalnin-iron-man.html


Anyone care to take an old generator off their shelf and rewind it with steel wire?

If it works, I can't possibly think of a way to get where we want to go any more simple.
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http://noticiasseleccionvaldeandemagico.blogspot.com/2014/07/leedskalnin-iron-man.html


Anyone care to take an old generator off their shelf and rewind it with steel wire?

If it works, I can't possibly think of a way to get where we want to go any more simple.
Not this black duck.

I just realised another variable from my last video generator test 8. The steels I was using were stacked. I'm not sure if that would influence the output but I thought it was worth noting as I have not been able to replicate the output from that rotor. It may just be I have not had the steels close enough to the mags in other rotors. I could get 140v on my first rotor with the little coil and only 10v - 20v on other rotors using steels oriented in the perpendicular orientation.

   

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I haven't tested this but would the orientation of the steel layering in relation to the magnet effect cogging? See my diagram above and have a look and also my vid where I light up the bulb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Kf5RsTGZ4
Between the layers there must be an airgap of some sort. Surely then individual layers would have some individual polarity? It would be trivial to test but I can't work on it anymore this evening. Could this also mean an increase in output because the coil is seeing many layers flipping rather than just a single face?

Just a thought.
   

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I'm looking at this guy a little more closely now too. http://youtu.be/qoWMFDDL1AU
   
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I'm looking at this guy a little more closely now too. http://youtu.be/qoWMFDDL1AU

Just gave him a hint in comments about losses with Eddy currents and in rotating disks there are lots of it...
Will see how it will turn out. ;)
   
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Maybe these clips show something of interest, 2nd Clip shows regular generator action load (rpm slows), neutral action with load (rpm no change), acceleration action with load, and also a more dramatic acceleration under short circuit, Waveforms show the "tune".

Fair warning the setup is loud on a (wooden frame), turn volume down to begin with.

Clip #1 shows the setup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2NfmyyhbZs

Clip #2 shows the entire run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV_dm8COKBY

Short clip of actions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFWin-crxQY
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I can show a speed up under load or short circuit using almost any gen coil with a core, some inductance, some capacitance and a prime mover.
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Theoretically cogging should be almost "net drag neutral" because the cog consists of a pull and a push of almost equal magnitude/strength.

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Interesting to see you Famhand doing some Thane Heins Regen-X video demos!

I'm quite sure you're getting the effect due to the long length your core legs have. This extra core length delays the coils BEMF at the correct RPM based on the quantity of magnets you rotor has.

JLN has also pointed this out (extra core length) when he was testing Thane's ReGen-X coil effects.

Finding the ideal combination, core length to coil, coil self capacitance, magnet quantity and spacing on rotor, ideal RPM are not all know. Care to make it your contribution?

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What Thane Heins Regen-X was doing basically is the attempt delay of Lenz magnetic force reaction and to have it when when magnet is already under coil.
To me after all research this looks like to delay problem and good try to avoid what is happening in first place.. Still, a good possible workaround on high speed solutions where coils have very large inductances. :)

When attacking problem in its cause the high speed is not required at all and with the arrangement of Lenz force to reverse magnetic polarities 4 times instead of 2 in coil with the help of alternating magnet instead of static when passing the coil is one of real solutions to the cause...
   
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Luc and T1000, I made several mistakes with that arrangement. The core pieces I used were too small in cross section for the strength/size of the magnets, and they got hot. The inductance was not very much and so a relatively large capacitance was required, while the long cores may have added to the effect, I don't doubt the long cores could contribute to the effect, but it's mainly the "electrical length" of the generator coils and the excitation frequency which does the effect. I can do it with any coil as long as I can get the required frequency, or I tune the generator coil to have a period of the correct length. I predict that I can do it with an Air core coil as well to a different degree.

Here is a clip of the effect using a generator coil I made from the coil of a microwave over fan motor, I wound it with thicker 0.5 mm wire (not a high impedance coil) and then simply tuned the coil with a capacitor till the period was long enough to reach the rpm required for the effect to manifest with the pulse motor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpKZw15A41Y

This is a restriction of current output and reduction of drag due to the load reducing the amount of energy that can be transferred to the coil by the rotor (prime mover) when the load is attached the induced impedance of the coil does allow the voltage to build in the coil.

The main drag on the setup with no load is the induced activity in the generator coils L/C, when the load is attached the activity induced in the coils is less because the voltage induced into the coils L/C is clamped by the load which significantly reduces the amount of energy that can be transferred to the coils L/C and load, thus drag is reduced and the rotor speeds up, but it does have a speed limit which I found.

It's just like releasing a sand bag from a hot air balloon. The balloon is excessively loaded so that reducing the load increases the altitude without needing to use the burner, or to achieve a faster increase in altitude. Attaching a load is like dropping some sand bags (in effect).

This is a built in excessive "no load drag" which is lessened by the load being attached so as to achieve the distracting effect of acceleration under load with a motor generator, or a reduction in input power when loaded when the equivalent effect is achieved with a transformer.

I apologize for being off topic.

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Dear All.

I reached an impasse today, I need more materials !!

So I tuned my attention to T-1000's "proof of concept" pendulum device..... http://overunity.com/15083/the-new-generator-no-effect-counter-b-emf-part-2-selfrunning/msg426103/#msg426103

A little more work tomorrow should see some results ??

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Nice one Grum. I look forward to seeing it work. I'm in the process of another rebuild.
   
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This one is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlPx22UdnzY

In the latter portion of this video he explains the neutralization concept, apparently this can be done without altering the output power.  Because the counter magnets are placed external to the stator, the pole flipping must now be occurring in the stator core.  Which means, we can easily modify most any conventional alternator just by the proper positioning of permanent magnets.
   
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This one is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlPx22UdnzY

In the latter portion of this video he explains the neutralization concept, apparently this can be done without altering the output power.  Because the counter magnets are placed external to the stator, the pole flipping must now be occurring in the stator core.  Which means, we can easily modify most any conventional alternator just by the proper positioning of permanent magnets.
I seen that earler, thanks.
The Lenz force gets another force from electromagnet there so the net resulting force = 0. This what this guy was telling when showing 3 magnets in the last part.
To get that you might use 3 phase system at least so the electromagnet can be on other side of the ring.. This concept smells like Adams motor :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01oXbxqNB2w http://newenergytimes.com/v2/archives/fic/N/N199612.PDF http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/GB2282708.pdf
Also I think I might know that guy a bit from conversations in Russian teamspeak server conferences..

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Uploading a vid of my new rotor design. I got the idea by reversing the setup in my shaded pole motor experiments hardly any cogging which may mean hardly any output. Will finish build tomorrow and hopefully test
   

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Here's the vid to show you what I'm up to. http://youtu.be/I6Jlwa9HobM  I've got a 100ma pulse motor that should have no probs spinning this  so hopefully low lenz.
   

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Here's the vid to show you what I'm up to. http://youtu.be/I6Jlwa9HobM  I've got a 100ma pulse motor that should have no probs spinning this  so hopefully low lenz.

Dear Jim.

Your video is shown as private ATM !!    :)

You will need to alter the setting.

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Thanks grum, all fixed.
   

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Thanks for that Matt, kind of reminds me of the setup I just built on a micro scale anyway
   

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very frustrating rotor.
low cog = low output  :(
Tried two versions of the rotor with different stator config. results sucked.
   
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very frustrating rotor.
low cog = low output  :(
Tried two versions of the rotor with different stator config. results sucked.
Hi Jim,
The magnetic coupling between coil and magnet still gas to be strong but the geometric arrangement need to be solved in way where net cogging force should result zero then you can play with it. Also coil has to be treated as alternating magnet in that arrangement...
   

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Hi Jim,
The magnetic coupling between coil and magnet still gas to be strong but the geometric arrangement need to be solved in way where net cogging force should result zero then you can play with it. Also coil has to be treated as alternating magnet in that arrangement...
Actually just realised my little reference coil had a short!!  O0 ;D :D The new config does generate at much lower cogging. ATM only at around 30% of the original but I have not maximised the pu arrangement.
   
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I think Cadman is on to something here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/268293-post142.html

It will be exciting to see if he can actually build a generator to his design.
« Last Edit: 2014-12-12, 06:44:45 by Matt Watts »
   

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Thanks Matt what is important there is the spaces between the poles in relation to the mags. You need those interpoles to form for extra output.
   
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