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here is something related to energy..... during intermission ..... perhaps someday to Free energy ?
Lanca did share this at Stefan's [somewhere]
Patent granted in 2018 ?

supposedly twice the power density of Neo's.. plug and play for existing manufacturing processes and a greener tech and much more ?

http://license.umn.edu/technologies/20120016_iron-nitride-permanent-magnet-alternative-to-rare-earth-and-neodymium-magnets

member floor mentioned this in his magnet experiment thread.

and while I'm at it ,google vacuum insulated panels VIP, seeing R values approaching 100 per inch and improving almost daily
imagine a day when you could set up a  house in the arctic or the sahara with hardly any environmental temperature support system.

that day was last week.......[yes a bit tongue in cheek ,but true

Wow,twice as strong as neo's,and made from very cheap material.

The Tesla motor vehicles power just doubled  ;D

So we can look forward to even smaller,more powerful DC motors  O0

Now all we need is cheap super conducting wire for the windings.  ;)


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Wow,twice as strong as neo's,and made from very cheap material.
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It's very interesting, but there's nothing new since the 2016 announcement. Not yet in the trade.


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we can make our own interest  O0

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It is gratifying to see some new technology arise from the
Land of Lakes betwixt Canada and Iowa.

Here's the patent for the Iron Nitride material.

Some very interesting technical discussion.

Material specifications.  Apparently it is somewhat hazardous.

In time whatever problems there are will no doubt be resolved.
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I dunno.  Once again it looks like "all bark and no bite"
titillation.
  I suppose we'll have to wait breathlessly until
the "Next Level" is announced.

$3000.00 will buy a good amount of Solar Panels which
have proven themselves.  Or a mix of Panels and Batteries.

I dunno.  Noobs tend to make lots of promises.


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The discussion has turned to Batteries and how to properly
charge them for maximum useful lifetime.
  This is always a
very beneficial topic for discussion because much has been
learned about particularly, the Lead-Acid Battery in recent
years, regarding the problem of Sulfation and how to address
it.

As a Lead-Acid Battery discharges, either self-discharge while
not under load or while under load, the active materials in the
plates are converted to Lead Sulfate by means of the chemical
reactions.  The Negative plate which is Spongy Lead converts to
Lead Sulfate and the Positive plate which is Lead Dioxide also
converts to Lead Sulfate.  During this process of discharge the
Sulfuric Acid electrolyte becomes less and less concentrated as
the acid is "consumed" by its reaction with the plates.

While fresh the Lead Sulfate is amorphous or non-crystalline in
structure and is easily restored to Active Plate Material at the
respective plates and Sulfuric Acid to replenish electrolyte
concentration by the process of Charging the battery.
Lead Sulfate which has been in the plates for a longer period
of time will have begun to crystallize and thereby become "hardened."
Hard Sulfation which has crystallized is not easily converted back
into active plate materials and sulfuric acid when the battery is
charged.  A voltage considerably higher than the "Normal" charging
voltage is required to convert the crystallized sulfate back into
active plate materials and sulfuric acid.

A group of independent experimenters not associated or affiliated
with the battery industry have discovered an effective and completely
non-destructive, non-traditional method of converting hardened
sulfation to restore battery capacity which has been lost as a
consequence of residual sulfate buildup or Sulfation.

The "secret" is the application of very brief pulses of overvoltage to
the battery being restored or rejuvenated.  The pulses may range
from 10 microSeconds to 200 microSeconds at a very low duty cycle.
The pulse voltage should be a minimum of twice the normal battery
voltage for a 12 volt battery, or about 30 Volts, for a battery in
reasonably good condition.  If the battery is heavily sulfated with
very little acid remaining in the electrolyte the pulse amplitude
may have to be elevated to about 100 Volts in order to initiate
de-sulfation.  As the battery responds and its electrolyte acid
concentration increases the pulse amplitude will decrease
accordingly.

Bringing old, sulfated batteries back to Life is amazing stuff.
It is a fairly slow process which requires some patience as it
is very important to avoid stressing the battery by causing it
to heat.  There is much information about desulfation and
desulfator circuits on the web.  They're easy to build and are
also quite inexpensive.

One example of a unique desulfator design with discussion
which reveals some interesting specifics regarding the
process of sulfate reversal and the need for very sharp pulses.
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The capacity rating of the Lead-Acid Battery is rather flexible.
There is more capacity built into the battery than its rating
would seem to indicate.  This is done purposely to assure that
the battery provides sufficient capacity over its lifetime of
service where it will be subjected to less than ideal charging
processes.  It is well established, for example, that the automotive
battery charging system is incapable of fully charging a battery
to the extent that all Lead Sulfate is converted back into active
plate materials.  A small amount of Lead Sulfate will remain on
the plates with each charge cycle which will over time become
"hardened" due to crystallization and thereby gradually decrease
the capacity of the battery.  The built-in reserve capacity is designed
to assure that the battery continues to function reliably with adequate
capacity in spite of this eventuality.

It is possible, while the battery is new, to increase its capacity with
a properly applied charging algorithm
which is able to access the
built in overcapacity.  This capability may lead to the wrong conclusion
that the charging algorithm has produced some "magic" or that it has
resulted in the release of Free Energy with a COP > 1.0; a repetition of
numerous discharge/charge cycles utilizing the effective algorithm will
in time demonstrate that the increase in capacity reaches a peak which
is consistent with the purposely built-in over capacity of the battery.

While the Lead-Acid battery does indeed possess some incredible ability
to "bounce back" from deep discharge, it is at the same time quite fragile.
As the battery undergoes the chemical reactions of charging and discharging
the plates themselves physically expand and contract in size and mass.
The active materials in the plates are gradually dislodged by this expansion
and contraction which means that the plates lose material over their lifetime
which settles to the bottom of the battery as a mud.  This loss is accelerated
by the overcharging which is periodically performed to equalize the cells.

During the overcharge equalization cycle the battery electrolyzes the water
in its electrolyte to produce Hydrogen and Oxygen gases.  As the gas bubbles
are formed at the plates and release to rise to the surface, some erosion of
loose particles of the plates takes place and additional active material is
lost to add to the accumulation of mud at the bottom of the battery.

While this is going on it appears that the battery is "boiling" and some have
actually thought that it really is boiling and describe it as such.  It isn't actually
boiling but rather it is outgassing due to the electrolysis of water, although, if
not carefully monitored the equalization current if excessive could heat the
battery so much that it can indeed reach a true boiling temperature.  This
outcome must be avoided as it is very destructive to the battery and will
ruin it in short order.

It is for that reason the the Current Interrupt Algorithm, or Pulse Charging
Algorithm, is the best option.  Pulsing the battery with higher than normal
voltage pulses will accomplish the desired chemical reactions at the plates,
will desulfate the plates and will equalize the cells, all without excessive
outgassing or rise in battery temperature.  The useful life of the battery
can be extended to many times what is thought to be normal.

Is it possible to do this in an automobile?  Yes, it is.  Quite easily and
inexpensively too.


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http://www.r-charge.net/Free-Energy_ep_56.html

The Evil Tito posted this link at Stefan's today
it mentions Benitez , Matt and Dave claim their
work all points back to Benitez ?

others have claimed this Benitez patent does show OU results
not sure how they qualified or measured it ?


 
   

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A resurgence of discussion regarding The Generating System
which typifies, unfortunately, much of what is wrong with those
who claim More Output Than Input.

The "inventors" who are lost in their delusion will always,
as a last refuge, denigrate those of sound mind who
challenge their delusions with real world science.

A tragedy which repeats itself endlessly until those who
make fantastic claims are ultimately awakened to truth.
It takes time and they never relent without a prolonged
struggle, but thanks to the noble efforts of both Bistander
and Iamnuts it will surely come to pass.

Until the deluded are fully awakened to their folly it is a case
of comedy writ large.  We do not dislike them, nor do we
despise them, but rather, always hope for and seek their
entrance into the Real World of Amazing Things.


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Well, here we go again.  A recurring theme.

Would anyone care to offer positive feedback on
Erron's suggestions?  He seems quite irritated
with Iamnuts for some reason.

But, of course!  Anyone who asks questions or who
dares to challenge claims is subject to such denigration.
Especially those who are technically competent and who
have some education in these matters. :D

Like Iamnuts, I too would like to see real success with the
Generating System, but it seems very, very unlikely.
Those who cheerlead for the "device" are simply too
defensive and too nasty.  I reckon I'm done with this... :o

The childish behaviors there are counterproductive. ???


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One last comment.  The crux of the issue regarding the
magical generator (300 watts in - 2000 watts out) is
covered here and here.

Thanks to Mario and NROC as well as Bistander and Iamnuts
for providing the stimulus and excellent discussion.

It isn't complicated and it is old knowledge.

Very similar to the rotating magnets levitating.

The ultimatum.

It has been and probably will continue to be a circus.

Finis. ;)
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Be careful with the material on energeticforum.com, it's a forum to make money.
Everything is manipulated to sell literature or conference tickets. Critical thinking is not allowed, you have to be loyal to the cult.
I was able to do less than 10 posts before I was fired because I objected to the supposed operation of a machine they were presenting.



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I was able to do less than 10 posts before I was fired because I objected to the supposed operation of a machine they were presenting.

Join the club ;D


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that thread is hilarious.  ;D ;D ;D
   
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that thread is hilarious.  ;D ;D ;D

Yes, I agree.  Especially. when a  O0  member  O0  there wrote a post and Aaron answered this:
 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system-157.html#post316509

And then came a great answer (in the new thread Aaron started) from member bobo36us, see his text in red color:  http://www.energeticforum.com/316521-post3.html   

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Just trying to explain to the bloke  that trust has evolved on the Internet :)  O0
   

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Have a giezer at this bullsh-t
Aaron the rookie is really lost.
This guy has no clue at all.


Quote: Don't bother discussing Faraday without discussing the Faraday Disc generator that violates everything you believe - read this published paper from Princeton since you believe the academic world is an authority - it's shameful to be selective of what part of Faraday you want to mention while discarding what doesn't serve your narrative. https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/joseph...aday_motor.pdf

What's that on page 6?
"Furthermore, the generated tension (Volt) is not affected by the amount of current(Ampere) which is drained from the generator, contrary to any other power source, and the power generation process is not reflected back to the prime mover as an additional work load."



That is a violation of your coveted and misunderstood Newton's 3rd Law of Motion, which doesn't apply to electricity anyway and there is NO LENZ'S LAW. While drawing a load from the Faraday Disc generator - there is ZERO back torque going back to the prime mover.

Some have claimed they measure back torque between 10-20% of what is "supposed to be there" but even if it is as high as 20%, it would still be a reduction of 80% of the drag - again, in complete violation of everything you are claiming.

This is the case with Bruce DePalma's N-Machine variation, Adam Trombly's closed magnetic path version and this is the case with Tewari's Space Power Generator version. That is also the case with my world's record highest voltage output N Machine.

All of these are generators that have no drag - the prime mover doesn't even know when a load is being drawn from the generator.

I mentioned the homopolar generator in response to your posts in Dave's thread and you ignored it. Why? Because it doesn't jive with your claims or belief system. I did mention the Evasion of the Essential - it's very strong with you for some reason.

That is but one of many low to no drag generator concepts. Without even mentioning a single other low to no drag generator such as Dave's or any other, the very existence of the Faraday Disc Generator defeats everything you have argued since your argument denies the possibility of its very existence. The only one who has dug themselves a hole is you.



Drag free generator and the scientific world is not up in turmoil over it while it violates your equal and opposite nonsense and it does not have the same associated Lenz effect.


Also, you bring up Faraday and you admit you don't even know what dielectric lines of force are!! The hole gets deeper for you.

bistander mentions dielectric material that is an "insulator".

Actually, conductors and insulators could switch names and it would more accurately describe their function. Conductors REFLECT - that is why 1/11 trillionths or so of the electromotive force moving over the wire actually penetrates the copper to get the electrons to move in the opposite direction. Virtually all of it for all practical purposes is REFLECTED - not conducted. And insulators such as dielectric materials don't insulate, they STORE and soak up dielectricity.


Has anyone seen a Faraday disc generator that has no back torque when a load is placed across it's output ?
I see he(Aaron the rookie)is also claiming he built a world record for highest voltage produced by a faraday disc generator  C.C. has anyone seen that yet?

There is just no end to the amount of garbage this bloke posts.


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And some more dribble from Aaron the rookie

A homopolar generator can be 80% efficient while producing 250% more on the output than you provide on the input. You seem completely unaware of why this is true or how it can be.
 
There you are again, incapable of acknowledging your ignorance in these matters when pointed out. Your comments blatantly ignores the FACT that it is acknowledged in the conventional academic world, Princeton, etc. that UNLIKE normal generators, there is no back-torque produced when electricity is drawn from the generator completely flushing your nonsensical propaganda down the drain.

No wonder EF has a bad name--this clown is giving it the bad name.

Think im going to do a video,and bury this clown.

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Any backtorque is a fraction of what Lenz's law would predict. I'm a builder and have built a handful of small scale versions. You can measure the rpm with the spinning magnet unloaded then and then load the generator and you can see there is virtually no difference in rpm exactly as the Princeton paper states.



When I say unloaded, it WILL have the brush contact to the magnet, which should be there and in an unloaded condition compared to loaded, nothing changes. The changes that are reported by many people who have experience claim up to a max of about 20% - still meaning there is a 80% reduction.



I really could care less what Princeton says, but being that such heavy value is placed on credentialed academics by you and nutso, that is why I referenced it and there are a lot of references in conventional academics that agree 100% with what I'm saying as well as references that disagree. What that actually means is that there is no inherent value in what any of them say because everyone may be saying something different. You and nutso will simply accept that which agrees with what you already agree while discarding what does not even if it does come from published papers in the academic world.



The homopolar generator concept is a low drag to no drag generator that violates Lenz's Law to a significant and indisputable degree and it doesn't matter what references you point to that disagree because I have hands on experience, which you do not have with regards to these generators, that tells me different.



This fact is so established that even the Pentagon put a gag order on Adam Tromly's homopolar generator patent because they were actually working on the same generator demonstrating the same "overunity" but what they did not know was that the patent applications in Europe were already in circulation thereby defeating their gag order. The bottom line is that there are homopolar type generators that produce hundreds of percent more work than it takes the prime mover to turn them and when drawing electricity from the generator portion, it is not reflected back to the prime mover defeating everything you and nutjob believe about drag free generators.


Seems rookie is now throwing out the insults to the members of his forum as well.
Seems nutso's new name is nutjob  :D

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And some more dribble from Aaron the rookie

A homopolar generator can be 80% efficient while producing 250% more on the output than you provide on the input. You seem completely unaware of why this is true or how it can be.
 
There you are again, incapable of acknowledging your ignorance in these matters when pointed out. Your comments blatantly ignores the FACT that it is acknowledged in the conventional academic world, Princeton, etc. that UNLIKE normal generators, there is no back-torque produced when electricity is drawn from the generator completely flushing your nonsensical propaganda down the drain.

No wonder EF has a bad name--this clown is giving it the bad name.

Think im going to do a video,and bury this clown.

Brad
I'd be careful given his past record. Speak to Luc! He can get very libelly and litigious . Could your energy better used elsewhere.  I'm out of pocket $130K last year because I spoke up publicly about something I believed in. Got a lot of press and I was right but they came after me. 
   

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I'd be careful given his past record. Speak to Luc! He can get very libelly and litigious . Could your energy better used elsewhere.  I'm out of pocket $130K last year because I spoke up publicly about something I believed in. Got a lot of press and I was right but they came after me.

He dose not scare me one bit,and science says he is lying--as he dose to make a quick buck.

He's a fraudster ,plain and simple.


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He dose not scare me one bit,and science says he is lying--as he dose to make a quick buck.

He's a fraudster ,plain and simple.
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So here is what Aaron would have to do,should he decide to take me to court-->good luck with that.
He would have to prove that what i said and state is a lie.
This means that he has to provide evidence of a self running machine he claims to have or claims exists.
He would also have to prove his statements to be true,and mine false,in that the faraday disc generator has no back torque C.C.  Now,if braindead Aaron stopped and thought about what he claims,then he would see how much of an idiot he is. What happens when you drop a voltage across a faraday disc generators output terminals ?-->thats right,you have a motor.

So,if there is no backtorque as he claims,you would not have a faraday(homopolar) motor--it wouldnt work-->but we all know it dose  O0

When you place a load across a homopolar generator,it has a motoring action that wants to turn the disc in the opposite direction,as the current is flowing out of the positive output of the generator,and straight into the negative output of the generator-->or ass about if you wish to use true current flow.

Aaron makes to many false claims,and belittles all who disagree with him,when it is he that is wrong,not the members that know what there talking about.


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He doesn't have to prove shit to sue you, only if he wants to win... I've had two cases when I was in the right but it cost me a lot to prove.
So here is what Aaron would have to do,should he decide to take me to court-->good luck with that.
He would have to prove that what i said and state is a lie.
This means that he has to provide evidence of a self running machine he claims to have or claims exists.
He would also have to prove his statements to be true,and mine false,in that the faraday disc generator has no back torque C.C.  Now,if braindead Aaron stopped and thought about what he claims,then he would see how much of an idiot he is. What happens when you drop a voltage across a faraday disc generators output terminals ?-->thats right,you have a motor.

So,if there is no backtorque as he claims,you would not have a faraday(homopolar) motor--it wouldnt work-->but we all know it dose  O0

When you place a load across a homopolar generator,it has a motoring action that wants to turn the disc in the opposite direction,as the current is flowing out of the positive output of the generator,and straight into the negative output of the generator-->or ass about if you wish to use true current flow.

Aaron makes to many false claims,and belittles all who disagree with him,when it is he that is wrong,not the members that know what there talking about.


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He doesn't have to prove shit to sue you, only if he wants to win... I've had two cases when I was in the right but it cost me a lot to prove.

Sue me for what?
I dont have to mention his name for everyone to know who im talking about. And what i say will be what he wrote,so no chance of him being able to do anything about it,as it will only be his words.


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