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Author Topic: The Inventions of Willi von Unruh and Hans Coler  (Read 9142 times)

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Smudge,

with the below video i want to show what happens when using the grounded FG and scope leads (forming
a groundloop) when using a 1K load on the output while sweeping (1Khz to 20Mhz) the input.

The signal amplitude and resonance point shifts  when unhooking the scope groundleads and even when
swapping the output probe tip / groundlead.

In the end i switchover to a differential probe measurment for the output, so without a groundloop
showing a fairly flat frequency resonse (up till 50Mhz) across this iron coil setup.


Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZyWHKXXYU

I do notice that LTspice demands each node to be grounded, so not sure why that is as we then cannot
simulate a floating node like we have here.


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Smudge,

with the below video i want to show what happens when using the grounded FG and scope leads (forming
a groundloop) when using a 1K load on the output while sweeping (1Khz to 20Mhz) the input.

The signal amplitude and resonance point shifts  when unhooking the scope groundleads and even when
swapping the output probe tip / groundlead.

In the end i switchover to a differential probe measurment for the output, so without a groundloop
showing a fairly flat frequency resonse (up till 50Mhz) across this iron coil setup.


Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ZyWHKXXYU

I do notice that LTspice demands each node to be grounded, so not sure why that is as we then cannot
simulate a floating node like we have here.


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Itsu,

In LtSpice you do not need to necessarily use a zero ground but you can use a very high value resistor to ground instead say like a 10Megohm.  This allows the initial dc tests of the simulator to be done without error and lets you simulate a "floating" ground.

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Thanks PM,   good to know, i will try that.

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Itsu,
Here's my take on this.  The image below shows the capacitive coupling across the two coils and how the ground loop plays its part.  You get multiple capacitors from turns to turns whereas I only show one.  So it matters which end of the secondary is grounded giving different results.  For the differential measurement the 10M scope probe kills any ground loop effect.
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I agree Smudge, and by putting a scope groundlead at the FG ground directly (during input measurements),
one shorts out or shortens this ground path, impacting the resonance frequency (12.5Mhz to 10Mhz).

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As this topic has generated some more interest, I'll put the following document back.  I deleted it, as I didn't want to leave stuff in Smudge's bench area if it wasn't wanted.  I guess Smudge will have seen versions of this before, but other people might not have.

This story was syndicated all around the world, and was printed word-for-word in lots of small circulation local newspapers.  It clearly struck a chord with local editors - who probably liked the "humorous" angle, and thought it was something that would appeal to local readers, despite it being about something in a far away country.

 
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Well, I'm getting to it, a little late...

I needed a theoretical idea, otherwise we'd never know in which direction to experiment. I'm not yet at the point where I can experiment, but I'm making progress.
I'm going to start from the hypothesis that it's an NMR (or ESR?) resonance phenomenon. Several points converge in this direction:
- criticality of magnetization,
- oscillations,
- instabilities,
- classical physics can offer no plausible explanation for a gain in energy; we can only be dealing with quantum physics.
How can NMR be produced?
In the Magnetstromapparat, the coil generates a classical magnetic field in the core. Note that one of the coil end wires follows the core and is connected to it. The wire along the core generates a circular magnetic field around its current, which passes partly through the air and partly transversely through the core. As the current returns via another connection point on the core, between the two connection points an equal current also flows in the core, but in the opposite direction. When viewed from a distance, the magnetic fields of these two reverse currents cancel out macroscopically, but not locally, as the forward and return currents are neither sufficiently close nor symmetrical.

The odd thing is that in the core, near the surface where the wire is lodged, the field from the wire and that from the core will reinforce each other in the same way as between the wires of a bifilar line, while beyond they cancel each other out. The zone where they add up is close to the surface, and this resulting field is transverse to the coil's overall field, so these crossed fields can lead to rotation if there are phase shifts between them. I think it's because the effect is close to the surface that plates rather than cylinders were later used as cores in the supposedly more powerful Stromerzeuger.
In NMR, we similarly have a constant field on one axis, and a variable or pulsating field on a transverse axis. But these experiments are never performed in the presence of a current in the material whose atoms are to be excited. Could it be that Coler's device uses these currents to enable a kind of auto-tuning to the NMR frequency? Could it also be that, unlike conventional NMR, we no longer need a constant field in the material, because this tuning would take place locally, on a microscopic scale ?

Finally, where would the energy come from? I have no idea, except perhaps from a nuclear ß- decay involving a tiny number of atoms (Cu or Fe or Co) on which the NMR may have been locally sufficient to overcome coulombic resistance. I have little confidence in this theory, but no more in T Ludwig's ZPE theory, which attempted to reproduce the device, and I don't believe at all in the result of a magnetoacoustic phenomenon.


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I like your thinking F6, so we know that the resonant current needs to pass through the resonant material, normal thinking says we need a pure magnetic field to spin the atoms, looking into the Coleman Gilespie device, I don't think they use this method, they use a magnetic pole that's horseshoe shaped pointing to the target, and I can only conclude that this causes a varying strength magnetic field across the target 90 degrees to the current flow, therefore giving a broader range of frequency to hit the magic NMR frequency.

I've said before we know the energy is there, TPU may have used iron & NMR with heat above the curie point to allow magnetic susceptance.

 
   
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Well, I'm getting to it, a little late...

I needed a theoretical idea, otherwise we'd never know in which direction to experiment. I'm not yet at the point where I can experiment, but I'm making progress.
I'm going to start from the hypothesis that it's an NMR (or ESR?) resonance phenomenon. Several points converge in this direction:
- criticality of magnetization,
- oscillations,
- instabilities,
- classical physics can offer no plausible explanation for a gain in energy; we can only be dealing with quantum physics.
How can NMR be produced?
In the Magnetstromapparat, the coil generates a classical magnetic field in the core. Note that one of the coil end wires follows the core and is connected to it. The wire along the core generates a circular magnetic field around its current, which passes partly through the air and partly transversely through the core. As the current returns via another connection point on the core, between the two connection points an equal current also flows in the core, but in the opposite direction. When viewed from a distance, the magnetic fields of these two reverse currents cancel out macroscopically, but not locally, as the forward and return currents are neither sufficiently close nor symmetrical.

The odd thing is that in the core, near the surface where the wire is lodged, the field from the wire and that from the core will reinforce each other in the same way as between the wires of a bifilar line, while beyond they cancel each other out. The zone where they add up is close to the surface, and this resulting field is transverse to the coil's overall field, so these crossed fields can lead to rotation if there are phase shifts between them. I think it's because the effect is close to the surface that plates rather than cylinders were later used as cores in the supposedly more powerful Stromerzeuger.
In NMR, we similarly have a constant field on one axis, and a variable or pulsating field on a transverse axis. But these experiments are never performed in the presence of a current in the material whose atoms are to be excited. Could it be that Coler's device uses these currents to enable a kind of auto-tuning to the NMR frequency? Could it also be that, unlike conventional NMR, we no longer need a constant field in the material, because this tuning would take place locally, on a microscopic scale ?

Finally, where would the energy come from? I have no idea, except perhaps from a nuclear ß- decay involving a tiny number of atoms (Cu or Fe or Co) on which the NMR may have been locally sufficient to overcome coulombic resistance. I have little confidence in this theory, but no more in T Ludwig's ZPE theory, which attempted to reproduce the device, and I don't believe at all in the result of a magnetoacoustic phenomenon.

I've done a bit of NMR. As you already know, the NMR frequency for each element, e.g. Cu, is different. There are at least 2-3 devices that work in this area. e.g. Meyer. But also Colman and quite close StevenMark and even Kapanadze because that also fits.

There is also US4835433-drawings-page-2
In fact, what is in Meyer = Kapanadze = Ruslan = Akula = ...many other similar ones.

The key is the relationship between magnetic fields. Frequency and magnetic field intensity. There are special tables for elements.

I've done a dozen or so different tests but I haven't noticed anything special for FE. Yes, you can see NMR resonance at some point but it looks like interference. Besides, it's hard to do it with HV because there's no way to measure it. You have to hit randomly and know what to expect. Yes; according to Meyer's description, the current should increase at the output. Maybe someone will manage to do it. The dependency tolerance is very small and it is possible that even if you have the entire schematic, you still will not start the device. This is how it would look in this situation!

That would be a good explanation why we cannot repeat this.

However, current science writes about NMR that there are currently no suitable materials to extract more than nW. :(
   

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There is also US4835433-drawings-page-2
That drawing has non-english annotations.

I am attaching that patent in English.
   

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..........Finally, where would the energy come from? I have no idea, except perhaps from a nuclear ß- decay involving a tiny number of atoms (Cu or Fe or Co) on which the NMR may have been locally sufficient to overcome coulombic resistance. I have little confidence in this theory, but no more in T Ludwig's ZPE theory, which attempted to reproduce the device, and I don't believe at all in the result of a magnetoacoustic phenomenon.
When I was working on designing equipment using NQR for detecting explosives in suitcases, I had to go back to the early work on NMR in the 1940s.  I remember reading 1948 papers By R. V. Pound and also a guy named Rebecca but I can't quote the actual papers (this was over 40 years ago).  One of them noted that under certain circumstances the RF power emanating from the material exceeded the RF input needed to obtain the resonance.

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Not knowing the complete system design, schematic etc, it is like shooting in the dark.

Here is my suggestion of how it may work.

I think it possible is using a disruptive discharge of capacitance which produces Alfa particles (radiation) which is moved by using some form of magnetic field, and in doing so induces current into overwound coils.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_particle

If designed correctly will produce a large amount of power. ;)

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Finally, where would the energy come from? I have no idea, except perhaps from a nuclear ß- decay
That type of decay can be directionalized with magnetic fields.
The direcion of emitted decay products is aligned to the nuclear spin axes in the following manner:


If the aim is to generate a chain reaction where one decay event facilitates another, then the participating atoms should be lined up in a straight line or in a circle like this:
   
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I've done a dozen or so different tests but I haven't noticed anything special for FE.
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No wonder. To my knowledge, NMR is never performed on metallic masses, but on insulating, homogeneous compounds or solvents, including the atoms to be tested. Raw iron would be the worst case: not only would irregularities in the crystalline arrangement lead to spatial variations of the internal magnetic field, but the magnetic domains would never be perfectly aligned, either.
For classical NMR to take place and be macroscopically visible, the magnetic field must be perfectly homogeneous, and this is certainly not the case in iron.
So, to answer also Peterae's remarks, if there is NMR in Coler's device, it's because every inevitable and surely very important irregularity in the magnetic field inside the material is somehow compensated for. My hypothesis is that current and/or free electrons could play a part in this. This is the novelty, as these free electrons are never present in conventional NMR.



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That type of decay can be directionalized with magnetic fields.
The direcion of emitted decay products is aligned to the nuclear spin axes in the following manner:
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This will certainly be studied if we can confirm beforehand that we would indeed have ß- decay. It's still too light an hypothesis on my part.


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Very interesting, the Corbino and reverse Corbino effect. And all of this revolves around a subject that's been bothering me, for which I'm going to open a new thread, the question of rectifying a current without non-linear elements. Even if it's related (or not) to Coler, it may be of independent interest.
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I once tried to rectify alternating current using nonlinear inductors.  Without using diodes.  Nothing worked.
   

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I once tried to rectify alternating current using nonlinear inductors.  Without using diodes.  Nothing worked.
The Hall effect will provide a unidirectional electric force and voltage (VH) from an alternating current (I) when subjected to an alternating magnetic field (B) in synch with that current (created by e.g. a pair of solenoids).
   

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from an alternating current (I)
Of course, and who will pays for this current ?  :)
   
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The Hall effect will provide a unidirectional electric force and voltage (VH) from an alternating current (I) when subjected to an alternating magnetic field (B) in synch with that current (created by e.g. a pair of solenoids).


Let's try to apply this principle in the case of two coils. One rotates in the field of the other. The wire of the moving coil could be replaced by a copper strip. Since the fixed coil and the strip are supplied with the same current, and the Hall voltage across the copper strip depends on B and I, since B also depends on I, this voltage will be proportional to I². So, we've achieved rectification, and we're still in the electrical domain, not mechanical.
But how can we use this rectified Hall voltage to make a current flow (and preferably in the reference frame of the observer at rest) ? If we loop the “Hall circuit”, we cancel out the effect, as the loop conductor also rotates in B, generating a Hall voltage at its terminals which cancels out the other.


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Of course, and who will pays for this current ?  :)
The power supply.
The "payer" was not the subject of your original question.  Rectification was.
   

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Let's try to apply this principle in the case of two coils.
I will not think about it now.  Not because your message had no merit but because I am busy with something else.
   
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I'm continuing to investigate (thought expriments) the influences on an electron circulating in a ferromagnetic core, under the effect of the electric field across it, the longitudinal magnetic field along the core, and the transverse magnetic field linked to the copper conductor on the surface of the magnetic core, all generated by an alternating current. This is likely the key to the enigma of Coler's device.

It's very complex, because all these interactions are mutually dependent.
It's possible that the electrons have a tendency to spiral, as in a magnetron.

It's also possible that the conservativity of the magnetic field could be circumvented, not because it's no longer conservative, but because the electrons are both its origin and its effect: this could give rise to the same effect on a closed circuit with multiple paths in 3D (the volume of the core) as if an electron were circulating along an ordinary circuit in a non-conservative magnetic field.


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I'm continuing to investigate (thought expriments) the influences on an electron circulating in a ferromagnetic core, under the effect of the electric field across it, the longitudinal magnetic field along the core, and the transverse magnetic field linked to the copper conductor on the surface of the magnetic core, all generated by an alternating current. This is likely the key to the enigma of Coler's device.

A ferromagnetic core would be a bad thing to do.

You create the electric field so as it functions like a straight wire, right hand rule.


It's very complex, because all these interactions are mutually dependent.
It's possible that the electrons have a tendency to spiral, as in a magnetron.


They should spiral, like a cork screw inside the field of a solenoid coil with DC passing through it.

It's also possible that the conservativity of the magnetic field could be circumvented, not because it's no longer conservative, but because the electrons are both its origin and its effect: this could give rise to the same effect on a closed circuit with multiple paths in 3D (the volume of the core) as if an electron were circulating along an ordinary circuit in a non-conservative magnetic field.

You have the idea, now how do you do it? To use a quote :"It's not rocket science".

Mike


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