The TPU: Is it Real ?

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JimBoot

Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #600 on: 2025-10-17, 11:14:39 »

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Been trying to get up to speed on this again since I Last worked on it. I got Gemini to do a deep research report using videos as the source material then I added that and a link to this thread to NotebookLM. Then I got it to create this podcast so I could listen while driving. This is the video version https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wb3smn_631yxEIoXpsFN1DrjckmdVm6-/view?usp=sharing . I thought some looking in may find it helpful.

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Cheappower2012

Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #601 on: 2025-11-16, 03:36:37 »

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Here is the problem: Steven Mark stated he didn't know how the TPU worked only that it did.
Steven Mark is mostly likely dead, this makes replicating the TPU a very hard task.
I've been gone from OUR for a long time, here is a picture of the big TPU and that taped up part is in my opinion a diode (rectifier) that charges the capacitors.
At the time, high voltage capacitors were hard to get, so i think he connected two capacitors in series, to get 800V or so. He used the capacitors he could get. Below are some fotos showing how the diode is connected. In my opinion, the TPU is a pulse device.

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Verpies	Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #602 on: 2025-11-16, 08:15:22 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-16, 03:36:37 In my opinion, the TPU is a pulse device. At what frequency do these pulses occur and is there an active electronic circuit that creates them ?

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #603 on: 2025-11-16, 09:25:57 »

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I made two circuits that produce large current pulses in a coil, it creates a hammering vibration, people that have held a TPU say it vibrates. Experiments I have done indicate that if the pulsing rate is too high you don't feel the vibration, it looks like about 8 to 12 pulses a second. The toroid is the key as to how the TPU works. The TPU amplifies current, there is a lot more to learn as to how the TPU works. I will post more things to set a direction to go. Here is a video I made with more info on the toroid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nDVlwH9vmI&t=335s

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Re: The TPU: Was It Real ? « Reply #604 on: 2025-11-16, 10:29:31 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-16, 09:25:57

...it looks like about 8 to 12 pulses a second.

You are being ambiguous about the cause and effect.

The 8 to 12 pulses per second that are audible in the videos apparently are the effect.
But it is not obvious at all whether you are pulsing the device 8 to 12 times per second.
e.g.: you could be pulsing it 10000 times per second (the cause) and still get the audible effect only 8 to 12 times per second.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #605 on: 2025-11-17, 05:19:02 »

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You have to understand the enormous task figuring out how to build something that the inventor did not know how it worked only how to build it and that it worked.I go by clues
the vibration was unknown,Jack Durban was fooled,he didn't know what caused the vibration,he was an engineer
it indicated to me, this was an unknown effect to him.The effect I got seems to be the effect,this leads
to the heating problem if high current pulses pass thru copper coils,this is a resistive load
it will heat up.By using this as the basis,the tpu generates high current pulses,the pulses produce a vibration,they cause a heat problem ,they have to to be stored by a diode and a capacitor
to produce useful energy.The gyroscopic effect is not produced
by high current pulses,in my opinion it is an interaction ,from the tpu drawing energy from the gravity field.

One devices circuit uses a flashing led that fixes its pulse rate at 5 flashes a second or 5 pulses a second,the other device is more complex it uses an oscillator to generate 1 to 100 pulses a second it is also more powerful.
The devices I made were to study the toroid under high current low frequency pulses,one was fixed at about 5 pulses
per second.The other one is variable 1 to 100 pulses a second.When you discharge a high
value capacitor across a wire coil you get a vibration along the wire at every point,in my opinion,the
rapid increase in negative charges[electrons] causes the copper to expand, then
contract as the current stops, causing a noise.Here is a video of a new device, the pulsing
is the coil,also the light flashes at a 4 second rate,the rate of pulses is fixed by a flashing led,this fires an SCR ,this was made to have the least amount of parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rudQORZQg50

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #606 on: 2025-11-17, 10:14:27 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-17, 05:19:02

You have to understand the enormous task figuring out how to build something that the inventor did not know

I understand. You did helluva work figuring this out.

Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-17, 05:19:02

One devices circuit uses a flashing led that fixes its pulse rate at 5 flashes a second or 5 pulses a second,the other device is more complex it uses an oscillator to generate 1 to 100 pulses a second it is also more powerful.

The meaning of your words might be obvious to you, but to someone like me none of them exclude a scenario where e.g.: you stimulate the coil with 10kHz and 3.14MHz sine voltage waveforms but the coil outputs 5 binary pulses per second.

Please describe your input to the coil precisely !

This is what "precisely" means:

If the input has two levels, i.e. ON/OFF - binary, then state so.
Assuming that the above is true: state the frequency and duty cycle of the input waveform or express it in terms of time-ON and time-OFF.
State the current and voltage amplitude of this digital input waveform.

...

...if the input waveform is not binary, then describe the shape of this waveform or post its scopeshot with probe positions described.

Allcanadian

Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #607 on: 2025-11-17, 17:16:39 »

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There seem to be many clues about the TPU which are overlooked.

For example, when the TPU was flipped upside down it apparently stopped working. What does this tell us?. It tells me that the devices position relative to the Earth matters. Ergo, Earths electric, magnetic or gravic fields could play some role in it's operation. Using this line of reason, if the device interacts with Earths fields then the Earths fields could interact with it, equal and opposite.

I think T.H.Moray had the right perspective and his reasoning was flawless imo. Moray implied, forget what you think you know and focus on what is present and available for use. So if the TPU had inertial effects resisting motion and stopped working when flipped upside down it's very easy to assume the device must be interacting with something in the surrounding space like Earths magnetic field.

In fact, Lester Hendershot made this claim about his device and said it was interacting with Earths magnetic field.
Quote: "The fuelless motor works somewhat on the principle of a compass, and the original model would always operate when pointing north or south, as does the compass, but would not move when pointed east or west." Also, Hendershot today stated "there was nothing mysterious about his motor, that the force that energizes it is the “same force that pulls the needle of the compass, and there is nothing mysterious about that”.
---https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=1166

So this notion that a device must violate the COE or be a perpetual motion machine is quite absurd. The inventors basically told us where they think the energy comes from.

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Cheappower2012

Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #608 on: 2025-11-18, 08:53:45 »

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Verpies,

You have to take a simpler view. My take is: it shows you can have a vibration with just wires, with nothing else, that feels mechanical and fits the description of people who have held a TPU. Other than showing a vibration and showing a magnetic pattern on a toroid wound like the TPU one, the circuit has limited uses.

What the circuit does, is it charges two electrolytic capacitors [1200 mfd] at 170 Volts DC, it puts the charge thru an SCR across a coil [.03 Ohm, 12 micro Hendries].

You have a massive current in one burst going into a coil. Yes you have a big magnetic field, however the hammering effect is felt on all the wires not just the coil.

I have been on OUR in the past for a long time, on Overunity.com for a very long time, I have seen a lot of explanations for the vibration of the TPU, most were silly, some were stupid.
I was on overunity.com when Jack Durban posted for a while, he was baffled by the TPU's vibration.
He described it as a mechanical vibration like a motor, yet the TPU was mainly wire.

Steven Mark was a smart guy, but he didn't just one day say I'm going to make a free energy device. He had a business renting high-end stereo equipment, he had a few stereos that were defective they used toroids as filter chokes in the stereos power supply, they were wound in two different directions, this canceled the induction making it nearly zero. He tinkered with these toroids, from this came the TPU. All the parts to make the TPU came from Radio Shack except the toroids. In a video Steven Mark shows the first TPU, whats on top is the toroid because its the key to the TPU.

Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #609 on: 2025-11-18, 11:07:39 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-18, 08:53:45 What the circuit does, is it charges two electrolytic capacitors [1200 mfd] at 170 Volts DC, it puts the charge thru an SCR across a coil [.03 Ohm, 12 micro Hendries]. How often does that happen ?

Smudge

Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #610 on: 2025-11-18, 15:55:41 »

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Quote from: Allcanadian on 2025-11-17, 17:16:39

There seem to be many clues about the TPU which are overlooked.

For example, when the TPU was flipped upside down it apparently stopped working. What does this tell us?. It tells me that the devices position relative to the Earth matters. Ergo, Earths electric, magnetic or gravic fields could play some role in it's operation. Using this line of reason, if the device interacts with Earths fields then the Earths fields could interact with it, equal and opposite.

I think T.H.Moray had the right perspective and his reasoning was flawless imo. Moray implied, forget what you think you know and focus on what is present and available for use. So if the TPU had inertial effects resisting motion and stopped working when flipped upside down it's very easy to assume the device must be interacting with something in the surrounding space like Earths magnetic field.

In fact, Lester Hendershot made this claim about his device and said it was interacting with Earths magnetic field.
Quote: "The fuelless motor works somewhat on the principle of a compass, and the original model would always operate when pointing north or south, as does the compass, but would not move when pointed east or west." Also, Hendershot today stated "there was nothing mysterious about his motor, that the force that energizes it is the “same force that pulls the needle of the compass, and there is nothing mysterious about that”.
---https://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=1166

So this notion that a device must violate the COE or be a perpetual motion machine is quite absurd. The inventors basically told us where they think the energy comes from.

You are right to bring up the subject of the Earth's magnetic field. Very few people know that this field has a huge scalar magnetic potential, or even know what a scalar magnetic potential is. If you search for this online you will find explanation of scalar magnetic potential in Wikipedia where it has a dimension of Amps (in the same way that scalar electric potential is measured in Volts). But then you also get a ridiculous statement (probably AI generated!!) giving the Earth's scalar potential as its B field in webers per square meter. Its actual value is theoretically zero at the equator and 78 million Amps at the poles. That is not a typo, it is 7.8x10⁷ Amps. A magnetic pole (even an induced one in an electromagnet) will inherit an electrodynamic inertia from this scalar potential, an inertia that can be negative in value. In the mechanical world negative inertia is the (deemed impossible) pump of perpetual motion machines. Perhaps the TPU gets its perpetual energy via induced pulses of inertia from this effect. If so the origin of the energy is the rotating liquid Fe core of the Earth which will be slowed down when we obtain energy in that way. So if all the World's energy needs in future were obtained by TPUs we would create, not a Climate crisis, but a loss of Earth's field crisis.

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Magluvin

Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #611 on: 2025-11-18, 18:42:23 »

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when we observe a compass, they are usually weak magnetically and or in a damping fluid in order to not oscillate as shown below in my vid. this vid was made because i was impressed just how strong the earths mag field is.

was trying some things and couldnt seem to get this magnet to stand on edge on the bench. checked for screws in the wood and looked to see if i had a large magnet around. tried it in different locations
same thing.

now, if we want to see just how strong the earths field is, we could position some of the same magnets, one north and one south, earth N and S, and set up to counter earths field affecting the compas magnet, then the distance of these 2 counter magnets, and at that distance, measure how strong the field is from one of these magnets viahall sensor, etc, and then we can know the strength of the earths field and its possible effects on such devices. not sure a hall effect can detect at such a distance. if the compas magnet wer countering earths field, then the sensor should read null field at the distance found earlier.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6gOO7OHHeMM

mags

Cheappower2012

Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #612 on: 2025-11-19, 07:52:09 »

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Verpies,

The pulse repetition frequency is set by the flashing LED from 1 to 6 flashes per second, depending on the LED type.
When the LED turns on, it drops the resistance of a photoresistor. This triggers the SCR to turn on.
The SCR then discharges the capacitors across the coil. After the SCR's current drops below its holding
current, the SCR turns off and the cycle starts over - the capacitors keep charging...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hG2bAu44uxs

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #613 on: 2025-11-19, 08:25:18 »

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Here is a paper that I wrote about 7 years ago on a computer that has since gone to the scrap heap. With my life in turmoil since then, and several different computers later, I have just found this on a memory stick. I don't remember writing it and I probably never published it online. It shows that the weird internal structure of the original TPUs with wires on flexible cork formers could really create energy from the Earth's magnetic field and exhibit the noted inertial and orientation effects.

If you search online for magnetic scalar potential you are likely to turn up this lecture https://courses.washington.edu/ess502/Lect2_EarthMagneticField.pdf. This gives the formula and also the values of the Earth's magnetic characteristics for that formula but doesn't calculate the scalar potential or use it in the lecture. That huge 78,000,000 Amps value is hidden from sight so it is little wonder that no one has looked into using it.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #614 on: 2025-11-19, 08:58:53 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-19, 07:52:09

When the LED turns on, it drops the resistance of a photoresistor. This triggers the SCR to turn on.
The SCR then discharges the capacitors across the coil. After the SCR's current drops below its holding current, the SCR turns off and the cycle starts over - the capacitors keep charging...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hG2bAu44uxs

Like this ?

Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-19, 07:52:09

The pulse repetition frequency is set by the flashing LED from 1 to 6 flashes per second, depending on the LED type.

What makes the LED flash 1-6 times per second ?

Also, does your SCR look like this ? :

Also, does your SCR look like this ? :

bfulmind23	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #615 on: 2025-11-19, 14:31:37 »
Newbie Posts: 22	Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-17, 05:19:02 When you discharge a high value capacitor across a wire coil, you get a vibration along the wire at every point. In my opinion,the rapid increase in negative charges[electrons] causes the copper to expand, then contract, as the current stops, causing a noise. So you think that the thermal expansion of copper causes the vibrations?

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #616 on: 2025-11-19, 22:25:28 »

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Quote from: bfulmind23 on 2025-11-19, 14:31:37

So you think that the thermal expansion of copper causes the vibrations?

could be thermal. but that much of an expansion would most likely be the only vibration caused, as i dont think it could cool down fast enough to be part of the vibration noticed.

what i believe he is describing is that either an excess of free electrons in the winding enables and expansion of the copper, or, possibly a contraction during that period. possibly. either way, it could be a reason for the effect.

another possibility is the configuration IS messing with earths field. pushing, pulling, etc. that, in my opinion would be a fascinating find, and more probable being the said alignment in certain ways affects the function.

mags

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #617 on: 2025-11-20, 06:05:43 »

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Verpies, certain types of leds have a built in circuit to pulse the led at different
speeds,you simply add a resistor and voltage and it flashes,the purpose of this circuit was to
use as few components as possible.If you use a different circuit
it would require a circuit to pulse the led or the SCR directly.Heres a picture of the SCR and bridge rectifier I use.
Here is the schematic,the light bulb is to prevent damage to the circuit,it can be replaced
by an inductor.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #618 on: 2025-11-20, 06:37:37 »

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Copper atoms are held to each other by an electrostatic force when you pass a gigantic current of negatively charged particles [electrons] you create a repelling force this causes the the atoms to move away from each other [expand]. When the current stops the force keeping the atoms close to each other,begins to pull them together. The atoms are under a lot of tension so they snap back strongly [contract]. The noise occurs at every point on the wire not just on the coil.

Here is a video I made a long time ago, this uses a different device more powerful and has a faster pulse rate. If you hold the coil you would think its a mechanical device not a bunch of wires. Keep in mind most people in here have never seen a TPU, including me.
How do we know for sure that the TPU was not a fake? If this effect is one of the described effects of the TPU then the odds increase that it is real.

Is it a thermal expansion, no, it would have to heat up and cool, the wires generate no heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7DoR0qtzo

Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #619 on: 2025-11-20, 06:55:11 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-20, 06:37:37 Copper atoms are held to each other by an electrostatic force when you pass a gigantic current of negatively charged particles [electrons] you create a repelling force this causes the the atoms to move away from each other [expand] I agree with the metal expansion and contraction, but I disagree with their thermal and electrostatic mechanisms.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #620 on: 2025-11-20, 17:12:00 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-20, 06:37:37

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Is it a thermal expansion, no, it would have to heat up and cool, the wires generate no heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7DoR0qtzo

questions...

is there a core?
which coil is being pulsed?
if only the red winding is being pulsed, is the other winding loaded?
if you flip it upside down, or any other orientation, is there any difference?

thanks for showing

mags

Cheappower2012	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #621 on: 2025-11-22, 02:54:13 »
Group: Tinkerer Full Member Posts: 152	Magluvin, There is no core, it is an air core coil. I ran out of red wire so I used speaker wire. It is simply wire wrapped around a circular form, a vacuum hose. I did check to see if there was a gyroscopic effect - there was none. I think it goes like this: primary effect - gyroscopic effect, secondary effect - high current pulses, vibration.

Grumage	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #622 on: 2025-11-22, 12:00:50 »
Group: Renaissance Man Hero Member Posts: 3095	Have you checked the vacuum cleaner hose? Many are Steel wire reinforced. Cheers Graham. --------------------------- Nanny state ? Left at the gate !!

Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #623 on: 2025-11-22, 12:10:20 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Grumage on 2025-11-22, 12:00:50 Have you checked the vacuum cleaner hose? Many are Steel wire reinforced.

Magluvin	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #624 on: 2025-11-23, 00:12:23 »
Group: Mad Scientist Hero Member Posts: 1076	so if it is said that there was an aidio amplifier that was found to have its power supply transformer wound incorrectly that started this all, id have to say that for that time period, it would have had a core. mags