The TPU: Is it Real ?

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Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #625 on: 2025-11-23, 00:39:22 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Yes, coreless transformers exist predominantly in RF world. All power supply transformers have a ferri/ferromagnetic core. Audio transformers, mostly too ...but I heard of some freaky audiophiles using huge wardrobe-sized step-down audio transformers after the HV output out of vacuum tubes. Never saw such a monstrosity though.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #626 on: 2025-11-23, 08:11:17 »

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Grumage,this is a cheap vacuum hose,all plastic,the steel wire vacuum hoses are used in
expensive vacuum
cleaners for flexibility,I also used wire wrapped around a pvc pipe and also wire in coils held

together with black tape.You get the same result,good question.Here is a video
no core,the vibration happens at every point on the wire.

https://youtube.com/shorts/DyHplljl5-A

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #627 on: 2025-11-23, 08:22:19 »

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Magluvin,the toroid is the core,why they used this as a filter choke is strange,in
the past,in the vacuum era ,they used filter chokes.they had an input capacitor,hooked
to a filter choke,which hooked to an output capacitor.Sometimes the filter choke
shorted,this caused a loud hum on the audio.In a stereo you would get a loud hum
if the toroid lost its inductance or it dropped to a low amount,it would act like a
shorted filter choke. In the pictures there are 2 toroids both use the same type
of core,same number of turns,one is wound in a standard way,the other is wound like
the tpu one.The standard one reads `19.2 millihenries,the other one reads
.019 milliheries,it lost most of its inductance it will not work as a filter choke.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #628 on: 2025-11-23, 14:34:39 »

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The toroid with half its winding reversed will not only exhibit low inductance but when energised will also throw its flux outside the core, mostly across the central hole. That flux can intercept conductors placed in the hole. If the two windings are separate and used as primary and secondary of a transformer, when the secondary is loaded that also throws flux outside the core into the hole. When I was at Delft University to witness the Yildiz magnetic motor a Delft Professor of Physics had made that (startling to him!) discovery that he was keen to show me.

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Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #629 on: 2025-11-23, 15:17:43 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Smudge on 2025-11-23, 14:34:39 The toroid with half its winding reversed will not only exhibit low inductance but when energised will also throw its flux outside the core, mostly across the central hole. I agree.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #630 on: 2025-11-23, 22:37:58 »

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Hello,

way back in 1998 , Gennady A. Markov, filed a patent of transformer which uses these two coils in the same way S.Marks
is supposed to have used in his TPU.
Thanks to Cheappower2012 for your hard work-analysis which was a real surprise for me.

Please find attached an english translation ( disregard the first paragraphs and start after the picture of Markov)

Here is a webadress (russian) where there is the original description in shorter version

https://studfile.net/preview/8200970/][url]https://studfile.net/preview/8200970/
[/url]

If witnesses reported about a humming sound the puls-repetition must certainly be higher than 10 HZ otherwise we would see a flicker of the light or he rectified the output.

Now looking at the active transformer one can see two different windings, the right winding having much more turns than the left. Does this mean that this winding is applied on one of the two "compensating" windings (primaries) and used as a secondary coil ?

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #631 on: 2025-11-24, 00:10:27 »

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10k is a pretty high freq to be considered a hum. ive had a pic of that pat depiction on my laptop desktop for years and didnt know the source of it. thanks for that. lenzless it says. maybe one of the toroids in the middle of the tpu is wound similarly.

maybe if the input pulse were as short as a 10k half cycle, with a time period between, then maybe a hum in vibration could be cansidered. in doing so, that pulse should work in the teansformer depicted.

interesting stuff.

mags

Cheappower2012	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #632 on: 2025-11-24, 07:49:07 »
Group: Tinkerer Full Member Posts: 152	Heres a video of a toroid ,its wound like the one in the tpu,it is pulsed,iron powder is put on to trace the magnetic field.Notice that in the center, a lot of activity is happening,Seven Mark placed a white wire across the toroid.This is the key to the tpu,as to what powers the tpu it must be local to the tpu. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-oVOgS88iU4

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #633 on: 2025-11-24, 09:17:34 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-24, 07:49:07

Heres a video of a toroid ,its wound like the one in the tpu,it is pulsed,iron powder is put on to
trace the magnetic field.Notice that in the center, a lot of activity is happening,Seven Mark
placed a white wire across the toroid.This is the key to the tpu,as to what powers the tpu
it must be local to the tpu.

That merely confirms the field lines shown in Verpies reply #629 that any good finite element simulator will show. And yes, you can put coils there to use that field to good effect, but that is merely a complicated form of transformer. While it may be part of the overall TPU circuit, it needs a more detailed analysis to verify your claim that this powers the TPU.

Kator01	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #634 on: 2025-11-24, 15:09:52 »
Jr. Member Posts: 98	mags I wrote 10 Hz not 10 KHz Mike(ger)

Magluvin	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #635 on: 2025-11-24, 15:45:44 »
Group: Mad Scientist Hero Member Posts: 1076	says here in your pdf that the transformer will not work below 10khz and min 40v mags The TPU: Is it Real ? Screenshot_20251124_104349_Samsung Notes.jpg (700.72 kB, 2408x1080 - viewed 290 times.)

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #636 on: 2025-11-24, 20:32:20 »

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Quote from: Cheappower2012 on 2025-11-24, 07:49:07

Heres a video of a toroid ,its wound like the one in the tpu,it is pulsed,iron powder is put on to
trace the magnetic field.Notice that in the center, a lot of activity is happening,Seven Mark
placed a white wire across the toroid.This is the key to the tpu,as to what powers the tpu
it must be local to the tpu.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-oVOgS88iU4

hmm. looking at the pdf, i would have guessed the outer winding would have been the input just looking at the depiction. but it describes it the other way around.

claiming lenzless, my logical reasoning would have been that since the outer winding does not go through the hole of the core, i had assumed the outer winding to induce the 2 core windings and not affecting the outer winding as it isnt wound through the core.

the 40v min claim seems odd.

no trying to derail here. just trying to put the facts together for more understanding. just wondering what would happen if the outer coil were used as the primary..

mags

Kator01	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #637 on: 2025-11-24, 21:29:59 »
Jr. Member Posts: 98	mags, correct, but this is true for the Markov-Transformer. Might be different with Marks Device. I just referred to the Markov Transformer because he obviously uses the secondary wound around the whole Transformer, capturing the Flux-Ejection around the device. We cannoot claim that Marks uses a similar setup, its too early ...anyway an interesting find Mike (ger)

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #638 on: 2025-11-25, 18:14:22 »

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from what i had heard over the years was that SM was into audio. that he was working on quadraphonic ideas.
then i had heard something about a crt tv exploding and there was ideas aroused from that.
but now i hear it was a power transformer in an audio amp.

now im unsure about any of that. i sort of leaned toward the crt, maybe having something to do with the yolks causing some undesirable effects that shed light on an idea.

if anyone can elaborate on these, please do.

mags

Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #639 on: 2025-11-25, 19:06:44 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Magluvin on 2025-11-25, 18:14:22 but now i hear it was a power transformer in an audio amp. ...and I heard that it was an incorrectly wound inductor in the speakers (sounds like a crossover filter component).

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #640 on: 2025-11-25, 19:38:08 »

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on the audio thing, i had a few long talks with erfinder some years ago. the subject of dual voice coil subwoofers came up. he hinted toward some specific gains that might be had if it were bifilar wound. most that i have encountered were layered coils, not typical bifi as we might think of.
i havnt gotten into that yet, but i just may to see what he might have been alluding to. it was more on the subject of controling impedance and getting more output, sound energy.

he was always about getting rid of impedance, subverting, whatever.

with his motor ideas it was about having little to no cemf, where as the motor would not level out to a particular rpm due to counter emf 'generated' by the motor in opposition to the input. but instead would just keep accepting more current and going faster with healthy output all the way to where resistance was the only factor of limitation.

as for the bifi sub coils, he suggested that same goal in reducing the counter emf limitations.

i know it most likely is not related here, but maybe it can help with some understanding.

mags

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #641 on: 2025-11-25, 20:32:31 »

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just a few thoughts
the main tip and question is how inrush current interact with Earth magnetic field to produce small kick of current ?
then method is used to squeeze current like water in hose which means the setup is probably extremally simple like single loop of wire. remember it works like accelerator in some strange recurrent. Probably Tito L.Oracion would explain it better :-) hope he is well today

Magluvin	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #642 on: 2025-11-25, 20:52:43 »
Group: Mad Scientist Hero Member Posts: 1076	hey forest. how have you been? my thoughts on whether the tpu was sensitive to orientation of the earth, be it its mag field or gravity, for that to be i would think that maybe fine tuning of the tpu, be it resonance or just its open field magnetics were affected. i could imagine the earths field could affect one or both. mags

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #643 on: 2025-11-25, 22:14:40 »

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Quote from: forest on 2025-11-25, 20:32:31

the main tip and question is how inrush current interact with Earth magnetic field to produce small kick of current ?

Electric currents do not interact with Earth's magnetic field to produce additional "kicks of current".
When electric currents interact with magnetic fields, they generate mechanical forces.

For example, a 10cm diameter copper loop (1mΩ), rotating around its diameter in Earth's strongest magnetic field (60µT) 15100 times per second, requires 1 Watt of additional mechanical power to rotate, due to that field.

Another example: A 3500 turn coil (a practical maximum for a 10cm OD coil) having resistance of 22kΩ requires 5.8 Watts of additional mechanical power due to Earth's field, in order to rotate at the same speed. ...and you can only get up to 6.1 Watts at the same speed, when you take the inductance of that coil to the theoretical limit: infinity.

FYI: A single turn loop (10cm OD) rotating at the same speed would need to have an impractical resistance of 234nΩ in order to dissipate this 5.8W (of course 15100rps is impractical, too). Maximum dissipation or max additional mechanical power required to maintain that speed due to Earth's field, occurs when R = ωL. When R is 0 or R is ∞ then this requirement is 0, i.e.: the rotation does not require any additional mechanical power due to the external magnetic field.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #644 on: 2025-11-26, 07:22:00 »

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Quote from: Verpies on 2025-11-25, 22:14:40

Electric currents do not interact with Earth's magnetic field to produce additional "kicks of current"

Magnetic "currents" (movement of magnetic poles) interact with the Earth's magnetic field but you need very high speeds to get usable effect. You can induce magnetic poles into a loop of Fe wire with suitable coil arrangements, and you can get those poles to move along the wire at great speed far in excess of anything you can do mechanically moving actual magnets.

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Verpies	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #645 on: 2025-11-26, 08:27:56 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 4440	Quote from: Smudge on 2025-11-26, 07:22:00 Magnetic "currents" (movement of magnetic poles) interact with the Earth's magnetic field... But "magnetic currents" are not electric currents. If I could get moving magnetic poles, their changing magnetic field would induce current.

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #646 on: 2025-11-26, 19:31:28 »

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My focus would be on any and all things that SM claimed to have given him the insight to begin with. Pics are helpful, but as said before, the build we see could be deceptive. Nonetheless, the device is contained in what we see so far. It's possible that in the beginnings of SM presenting the idea, he may have been more forthcoming with truth rather than later on.

I'd say if we can come to some agreement on what it was that led him to this, then we may gain better perspective.

Like i remember talk of rotating fields. To me, I am not sure audio circuits would do that. but, with a CRT yoke, it definitely could be done. With speakers it could be done with phase shifting arrays, but i see no speakers in the TPU's shown.

Just thinkin'

Mags

Kator01	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #647 on: 2025-11-27, 15:41:02 »
Jr. Member Posts: 98	Hello, Dont know, If this was already.posted: [https://www.doctorkoontz.com/Scalar_Physics/Steven%20Mark/Steven_Mark.htm] Mike(ger)

Kator01	Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #648 on: 2025-11-27, 16:36:48 »
Jr. Member Posts: 98	Another File https://www.calameo.com/read/001092958bccf599df62a Any Downloader I tried failed.. using my phone Mike(ger)

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Re: The TPU: Is it Real ? « Reply #649 on: 2025-11-28, 01:52:49 »

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Quote from: Kator01 on 2025-11-27, 16:36:48

https://www.calameo.com/read/001092958bccf599df62a
Any Downloader I tried failed.. using my phone

I guess you are not a German hacker if you're using a phone for such tasks.

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