Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications.

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Itsu

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #350 on: 2023-07-05, 13:48:15 »

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 12:58:49

Itsu

Rep. rate is 26.2kHZ
Filled in is the 1.310MHZ
I just indicated the high frequency.

Maxolous

Thanks Max,

i was expecting that you would point to those areas, which in my understanding are just artifacts created by the scope display (interference of the traces, see if they stay when expanding the time base), but i guess that's just my perception.

Itsu

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #351 on: 2023-07-05, 13:48:50 »

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 12:59:33

If you want to precisely measure your ¼wave resonance in a manner that it doesn't stray, you need a current transformer, signal generator, your kacher antenna , your grenade, scope or static meter(Electrostatic explosive meter) and ground.

1. Disconnect your Gizmo(shinyaga) from your antenna.
2. Put your grenade in place
3. Slip your grenade terminal through your CT and short your grenade
4. Connect shorted grenade terminal to ground.
5. Feed your SG to antenna terminals set to Square wave @10V
6. Connect your scope to CT terminals
7. Sweep to detect frequency that gives maximum amplitude in scope or strong indication in static meter.

Maxolous

Great, i will try that next.

Itsu

Itsu	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #352 on: 2023-07-05, 15:12:09 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4848	This method shows a resonance point of my Grenade to be at 1226kHz Itsu

Maxolous	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #353 on: 2023-07-05, 16:47:50 »
Sr. Member Posts: 403	Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 15:12:09 This method shows a resonance point of my Grenade to be at 1226kHz Itsu Itsu, In as much as your inductor is opened, that's the precise frequency your grenade is listening to. Maxolous

Maxolous	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #354 on: 2023-07-05, 16:50:33 »
Sr. Member Posts: 403	Itsu, Work with that. There are simple and precise ways of doing things . Maxolous « Last Edit: 2023-07-05, 20:41:39 by Maxolous »

AlienGrey	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #355 on: 2023-07-05, 17:05:30 »
Hero Member Posts: 1606	Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 16:50:33 Maxolous, hi there are we referring to electro magnetic waves here ? or what ? « Last Edit: 2023-07-05, 22:15:40 by AlienGrey »

NickZ

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #356 on: 2023-07-05, 19:19:58 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-07-04, 14:44:10

Max:
Sorry for asking about your progress. I should have known better. Won't happen again.
But, I had thought that you mentioned "progress". Must be another slight language barrier, here.

All:
I have been keeping quiet lately to give you all a chance to build up something, hopefully that works.
And also to openly discuss what does not work, as well.
As I believe that I already know what will happen when you try to match up those frequencies as you are doing.
And you are already finding that out yourselves, which takes some time.
But, unless you build a complete device, you will not know what works, or what doesn't.
And that also takes some time, money, and a bit of work. For those interested, if any.

Max: You are continuing to insult the moderator here, me. I can do without your insults. Last warning...

NickZ

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #357 on: 2023-07-05, 19:35:01 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-07-05, 19:19:58

Quote from: NickZ on 2023-07-04, 14:44:10
Max:
Sorry for asking about your progress. I should have known better. Won't happen again.
But, I had thought that you mentioned "progress". Must be another slight language barrier, here.

All:
I have been keeping quiet lately to give you all a chance to build up something, hopefully that works.
And also to openly discuss what does not work, as well.
As I believe that I already know what will happen when you try to match up those frequencies as you are doing.
And you are already finding that out yourselves, which takes some time.
But, unless you build a complete device, you will not know what works, or what doesn't.
And that also takes some time, money, and a bit of work. For those interested, if any.

Max: You are continuing to insult the moderator here, me. I can do without your insults. Last warning...

NickZ

Nickz,

I saw this post before now and I simply ignored it. What are you talking about, what insult , please.

Maxolous

NickZ	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #358 on: 2023-07-05, 21:29:36 »
Hero Member Posts: 994	Max: Yes, well I can see that you ignore it. Are you going to continue to tell me what you think I should do, and think? Just letting you know. You should save it. I guess you don't know what respect means. NickZ

AlienGrey	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #359 on: 2023-07-05, 21:31:02 »
Hero Member Posts: 1606	Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 19:35:01 Nickz, I saw this post before now and I simply ignored it. What are you talking about, what insult , please. Maxolous How much is the going rate for a development engineer these days ? « Last Edit: 2023-07-06, 04:13:47 by AlienGrey »

Maxolous

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #360 on: 2023-07-05, 22:11:39 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-05, 13:48:15

Thanks Max,

i was expecting that you would point to those areas, which in my understanding are just artifacts created by the scope display (interference of the traces, see if they stay when expanding the time base), but i guess that's just my perception.

Itsu

Itsu,

You're right about that , it is artifacts created by the scope. However, in real time the modulation I described was brought about by when the grenade started responding to Tesla's signal. There will always be a time if you haven't gotten it right there will be no modulation.

Maxolous

NickZ

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #361 on: 2023-07-05, 23:42:00 »

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Max:
Yes, well I can see that you ignore it.
Are you going to continue to tell me what you think I should do, and think?
Just letting you know. You should save it. I guess you don't know what respect means, on every post you made to me.
Do you want to keep posting here, or not?
You call that bad blood...
Thanks. I call that more of your insults.

NickZ

« Last Edit: 2023-07-06, 03:23:54 by NickZ »

Itsu

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #362 on: 2023-07-06, 08:36:51 »

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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-05, 22:11:39

Itsu,

You're right about that , it is artifacts created by the scope. However, in real time the modulation I described was brought about by when the grenade started responding to Tesla's signal. There will always be a time if you haven't gotten it right there will be no modulation.

Maxolous

Max,

OK, When i now leave the Grenade shorted or open, re-connect the gizmo and fire up the Kacher, i see a slight peak (scope probe 5cm from Antenna) on the scope when tuning the Kacher with a ferrite bar inside to resonate at 1226kHz.

It seems there is some interaction between the Grenade and Kacher when both are at this 1226kHz frequency.

As i do not have the Push-Pull active, no 26.2kHz or whatever modulation is seen, but i will be working on that to put that into the mix also.

Itsu

Maxolous

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #363 on: 2023-07-06, 12:08:42 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-06, 08:36:51

Max,

OK, When i now leave the Grenade shorted or open, re-connect the gizmo and fire up the Kacher, i see a slight peak (scope probe 5cm from Antenna) on the scope when tuning the Kacher with a ferrite bar inside to resonate at 1226kHz.

It seems there is some interaction between the Grenade and Kacher when both are at this 1226kHz frequency.

As i do not have the Push-Pull active, no 26.2kHz or whatever modulation is seen, but i will be working on that to put that into the mix also.

Itsu

Itsu,
It's okay.
Without proper interaction like this, in full operation grenade o/p will go down when kacher is on because of mismatch.

Maxolous

NickZ

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #364 on: 2023-07-06, 14:17:51 »

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Itsu:
I find that tuning the kacher or grenade using ferrite, increases overheating when using 24v inputs. So, may not be a good final option.
I also notice that the closer tuning to best output at resonance, the more the coils and components heat up.
Overheating is one of the main drawback of this type of device. Maybe that's why nobody has shown it running their house.

My unloaded grenade output at the rectifier can get close to 1000 volts. Remember that everything changes when the ground line is connected, and it becomes part of the device. I had understood that tuning should be performed including the tuned ground line connection. Geo's device won't even fire up without the ground connection. Mine does not like it either, just won't sync right.
It's curious, but Ruslan has never shown any ringing at all, ever. Makes me think that something may not be right, as there is no ringing even when he places his hand on the grenade coils. So...what's up with that? Could he be faking it? I would not put that past him.

NickZ

« Last Edit: 2023-07-06, 19:42:20 by NickZ »

AlienGrey	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #365 on: 2023-07-06, 14:43:00 »
Hero Member Posts: 1606	You were talking earlier about driving the katcher directly positive pulse. Here is a circuit that just drives the katcher in a data window in sync with the PP. Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. post version.png (303.99 kB, 634x523 - viewed 672 times.)

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #366 on: 2023-07-06, 20:10:01 »

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Quote from: NickZ on 2023-07-06, 14:17:51

Itsu:
I find that tuning the kacher or grenade using ferrite, increases overheating when using 24v inputs. So, may not be a good final option.
I also notice that the closer tuning to best output at resonance, the more the coils and components heat up.
Overheating is one of the main drawback of this type of device. Maybe that's why nobody has shown it running their house.

My unloaded grenade output at the rectifier can get close to 1000 volts. Remember that everything changes when the ground line is connected, and it becomes part of the device. I had understood that tuning should be performed including the tuned ground line connection. Geo's device won't even fire up without the ground connection. Mine does not like it either, just won't sync right.
It's curious, but Ruslan has never shown any ringing at all, ever. Makes me think that something may not be right, as there is no ringing even when he places his hand on the grenade coils. So...what's up with that? Could he be faking it? I would not put that past him.

NickZ

Nick,

I use the ferrite to tune the kacher secondary only temporary, once i know what is the right frequency i will try to make one without the ferrite.

Yes, heat seems a problem, but that should be manageable once we have reached 5kW output, which is more than enough for some cooling.

Concerning the ground, yes that also is a problem as there are grounds and grounds, but there are claims that even without any ground the device should work, only less efficient.

Not sure what you mean by ringing, ringing where?

Anyway, a fake may still be possible, but if we do nothing we surely have nothing, so we can only try.

Itsu

NickZ

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #367 on: 2023-07-06, 20:27:04 »

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Itsu:
Agreed. Something is better than nothing...
Ringing, (Radio Moscow). No Ringing on any of Ruslan many selfrunners.

Using ferrite to tune with is fine, but it was not used or needed in any of the shown former tubes.
Possibly due to causing overheating.
Magnetite egg shaped magnets on the yoke core, can also be used to fine tune and increase gain, again inducing additional heating, and current draw, if left there. So it's best to use them only for tuning, as you mentioed.
As I tune for highest output, that brings with it higher loads to the input, and heating as well.
Maybe best resonance and best output is not the best way to tune for.

NickZ

Itsu	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #368 on: 2023-07-06, 21:03:30 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4848	Nick, ok, Radio Moscow, the squealing you mean, well i think if you have that, then something is wrong as it is a sign of something is oscillating which normally is no good. Yeah, resonance could be not what we have to aim for, like with the TPU it seems, but there is now so much information that it is hard to find out what is needed and what not. Itsu

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #369 on: 2023-07-06, 21:51:47 »

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Itsu

I think in most presumed generators of energy, there are several systems of resonance doing specific jobs, in STEAP there are 2.

Regards

Mike

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #370 on: 2023-07-06, 22:34:24 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-06, 21:03:30

Nick,

ok, Radio Moscow, the squealing you mean, well i think if you have that, then something is wrong as it is a sign of something is oscillating which normally is no good.

Yeah, resonance could be not what we have to aim for, like with the TPU it seems, but there is now so much information that it is hard to find out what is needed and what not.

Itsu

That is interesting that you think that the ringing is something to avoid. Most self runners are ringing. Like the "Joule Ringer", and other oscillators. But Ruslans don't ring. Maybe you're right.
But when my device does not ring, it means that there is no sync, and little output. Higher output usually means louder ringing, normally. However, the frequency of the ringing is muc lower than the 18kHz push pull frequency. As I can't hear above 11KHz.

I think that Geo does not tune, the same as I do, as without his kacher also on, the lights won't even light, at all. Depends how he wires it, though. He had much help building his oscillator/drivers from his Serbian friends. His device did also ring loudly, the Radio Moscow sound. I guess that Geo is not checking in lately. He was a member here.

NickZ

« Last Edit: 2023-07-07, 00:52:03 by NickZ »

AlienGrey

Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #371 on: 2023-07-07, 00:21:24 »

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Nick those frequency’s are dangerous simply because below 20khz electrons or what ever they are go through things and vibrate stuff including you that’s why Don Smith used 35khz as that sort of frequency they travel onthe outside of the wire and are free to whiz round free.

Just because Itsu is your hero doesn’t mean he is a doctor (or any one else for that mater) of electronics.

No offence intended. Or that I am or know every thing, check it out for your self.

Sil

NickZ	Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #372 on: 2023-07-07, 00:41:36 »
Hero Member Posts: 994	Ok Sil: I'll keep that in mind. I have not suffered any symptoms as yet. Perhaps Akula, Ruslan and Stalker should know about that, as well. Actually, I really like to work with the magnetic non shocking current of the push pulls induction circuits. NickZ « Last Edit: 2023-07-07, 04:22:18 by NickZ »

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #373 on: 2023-07-09, 17:12:36 »

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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-07-07, 00:21:24

Nick those frequency’s are dangerous simply because below 20khz electrons or what ever they are go through things
and vibrate stuff including you that’s why Don Smith used 35khz as that sort of frequency they travel on the outside
of the wire and are free to whiz round free.

Just because Itsu is your hero doesn’t mean he is a doctor (or any one else for that mater) of electronics.
No offence intended. Or that I am or know every thing, check it out for your self.

Sil

Thank you AlienGrey for your comment.
Physics has different opinion.
Only electromagnetic wave whose frequency is over visible light ( shorter than visible light) becomes dangerous although infrared ( that is below visible light)
is vibrating the organic molecules.
https://chem.libretexts.org/Courses/University_of_California_Davis/UCD_Chem_002CH/Text/UNIT_IV%3A_MOLECULAR_SPECTROSCOPY/20.2%3A_Vibrations_and_Rotations_of_Molecules%3A_Infrared_and_Microwave_Spectroscopy

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/6395/frequency-ranges-that-causes-a-hazard-to-humans
However exposure to energy level may be according to inverse square law more evident to the experimenter but EM at lower than ionization frequencies converts its energy to heat.
Solution for that is keep a distance usually few cm more from the source.
Wesley

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #374 on: 2023-07-09, 21:27:54 »

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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-06, 08:36:51

Max,

OK, When i now leave the Grenade shorted or open, re-connect the gizmo and fire up the Kacher, i see a slight peak (scope probe 5cm from Antenna) on the scope when tuning the Kacher with a ferrite bar inside to resonate at 1226kHz.

It seems there is some interaction between the Grenade and Kacher when both are at this 1226kHz frequency.

As i do not have the Push-Pull active, no 26.2kHz or whatever modulation is seen, but i will be working on that to put that into the mix also.

Itsu

I have my push-pull running at resonance with a 570nF series cap to the Inductor having a sine wave of 500V across this cap at 25kHz.

Grenade is open (Fres 1226kHz) and the Kacher is on running at 1226kHz tuned with the ferrite bar and i see the above-mentioned interaction.

But no modulation (due to the push-pull running at 25kHz) is seen on this kacher signal.

I will try some further fine-tuning.....

Itsu