Grenade coil type systems

[lfarrand]

Thanks Verpies. I had only been considering shielding static magnetic fields. Your explanation of how Lenz helps shield a magnetic field changing over time is very helpful.

[Centraflow]

Excellent post Verpies.

Regards

Mike

[Verpies]

Excellent post Verpies.

AFAIK that's a minority opinion.  It doesn't lead to any OU directly.

BTW: Nice to see you here.  I haven't seen you since August.

[Verpies]

Ok, so i might use a smaller Al ring (6mm is better than 30mm) ...

If you do that then you will not be able to put a small compass in the gap between the ferrites.

[Centraflow]

AFAIK that's a minority opinion.  It doesn't lead to any OU directly.

BTW: Nice to see you here.  I haven't seen you since August.

Been very busy trying to sort out a messs I see that I have made. Waiting for an agreement to run out, and then see what happens.

Regards

Mike

[Itsu]

Using a bigger compass to measure the magnetic fields inside the gap shows a smoother path that the needle follows, thus easier to get to the 90 degree point.

This 90 degree point is where i understand the both magnetic fields are equal and are squeezed perpendicular to the axis of the device and happens around 3.5A of current through 530 turns coil

Video here:  https://youtu.be/AKSMLiaGTVg

Itsu

[NickZ]

   Itsu:
  I think that I missed the point of these last few tests. Is this somehow suppose to lead to OU, or FE?
Or have anything to do with grenade coils, which are normally air coils, instead? With no ferrite, magnets, or a split tube.

  I agree with Classic that you can't get more electricity, by just using electricity to obtain more electricity.
Especially in any and all closed systems. Without having an additional fuelless external energy source.

   NicKZ

[Grumage]

Could a permanent magnetic bias be placed on the LH end ( smaller than that of the RHS ) and the electromagnet provide the equilibrium at a much lower current consumption? Just a thought....

Cheers Grum.

[Itsu]

   Itsu:
  I think that I missed the point of these last few tests. Is this somehow suppose to lead to FE?

   NicKZ

Hi Nick,

yes, all we do here "somehow suppose to lead to FE".

Look at the names of the pictures attached to this post:  https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4515.msg107986#msg107986

Itsu

[Itsu]

Could a permanent magnetic bias be placed on the LH end ( smaller than that of the RHS ) and the electromagnet provide the equilibrium at a much lower current consumption? Just a thought....

Cheers Grum.

Hi Graham,

it probably will, but i guess verpies is trying to determine the magnetic field produced by the 4 magnets by using the ampere-turns value needed by the coil to nullify the magnetic field produced by the 4 magnets.

With 3.5A through 530 turns we are talking about 1855Amp-turns.

Itsu

[NickZ]

  Itsu:
  Sorry for my question. As nothing that we have ever done has led to FE.
  I looked at the posted link, but still don't understand about the free energy part.
So, I will wait and see what results these tests bring to the table. As I don't understand how nullifying the magnetic field will produce OU.
  Again, sorry for not understanding.

   NickZ

[Itsu]

Nick,

nothing that we have ever done has led to FE, Right. But all that we have ever done here "suppose" to lead to FE.

The names of the attached pictures to that post are: "Fuel ring" pointing to using those rings as fuel, as in electrical fuel.

You can "wait and see", like many others here, but you also could "join in and see"!


Itsu

[Verpies]

Is this somehow suppose to lead to OU, or FE?  Or have anything to do with grenade coils, which are normally air coils, instead? With no ferrite, magnets, or a split tube.

Your confirmation bias and cherry picking knows no limits.  See:

https://youtu.be/gz0IPdPbHvA
https://youtu.be/5nxKqfkkndw?t=224
https://youtu.be/Dnrm8jT_6B8?t=275
https://youtu.be/7fWP1unQr10
https://youtu.be/84IXnyNV4tw
https://youtu.be/x89DU09d7Dw
https://youtu.be/wAmDpqhvxZE
https://youtu.be/bcftGrBEaL0
https://youtu.be/Wku5Y3afung?t=11

and there are many more videos and photos of devices with visible cores and tubes and/or rings  ...and probably even more with invisible ones.

[Verpies]

... I don't understand how nullifying the magnetic field will produce OU.

The purpose of these experiments was not to nullify or cancel the magnetic field but to change the direction of the flux generated by the magnets by 90°.
Also, just like Itsu wrote, the secondary purpose was to determine the H field needed to accomplish that feat. (H is measured in ampturns).

[Centraflow]

Your confirmation bias and cherry picking knows no limits.  See:

https://youtu.be/gz0IPdPbHvA
https://youtu.be/Dnrm8jT_6B8?t=275
https://youtu.be/wAmDpqhvxZE
https://youtu.be/bcftGrBEaL0

and there are many more videos and photos of devices with visible cores and tubes and/or rings  ...and probably even more with invisible ones.

Maxwell Demon

Regards

Mike

[Grumage]

It's pure conjecture but here goes....

I became an acquaintance of A King several years ago. He had probably the most interaction with TK, via a third party translator in real time, than anyone I know. On several occasions it was noted that TK would destroy the " special coil " after a demonstration and then wind a replacement for the next.

Why would you do that if the answer lay in the " ether " as being the excess energy source? I'll wager it was due to the " secret sauce " hidden within those windings that got depleted over the demonstration period.

A bit of Copper braid that becomes magnetic after a while.... Modern day Alchemy? More like removing a few electrons and being transmuted to Nickel ?

I'm really hoping that we can see something concrete from these experiments.

Cheers Grum.

[Verpies]

Could a permanent magnetic bias be placed on the LH end ( smaller than that of the RHS ) and the electromagnet provide the equilibrium...

It could, however the goal is not to only generate a field perpendicular (90°) to the axis (although that is useful for estimating the H) but to CHANGE the field's direction in the gap from parallel (0°) to perpendicular (90°).  A small but significant difference....
Right now we have a change from ~45° to 90°, which is to be expected with only one polarity of the DC.
Watch me bother Itsu about this next...

at a much lower current consumption?

Actually, the magnets are there to decrease the electric current (and energy consumption) that needs to be delivered to the coil/coils to keep the direction of the flux in the gap at 0°.
Otherwise you'd have to have a large DC flowing in the coil most of the time in lieu of the magnets. ( this way it would be possible to get rid of the magnets entirely but then the coils would have to do their job).

The direction of the flux in the gap needs to be in the parallel (0°) direction 99.99% of the time, and only once in a while, it has to change to 90° due to a HV pulse fed into a low-turn coil^* (because the ITC of a high-turn coil would distort it or kill it and its high-inductance would attenuate it).
These experiments are to provide an estimate how strong that HV pulse needs to be to accomplish this feat.

^* _{people like Nick call it the helical "antenna".}

[NickZ]

  No, people like Nick, call it guessing. And, I see NO relation to the idea of "grenade coils", and how they function.
As you've never built one, you can only assume...
   I await your results.
 
    NickZ

[Verpies]

No, people like Nick, call it guessing.

A hypothesis is a far cry from  a guess.
Hypothesis is a stage in the scientific method.



Below are the definitions of these and related words, in case you haven't learned them yet (and if you have, then this is a case of using the wrong words on purpose in a debate - a dishonest practice).

Theory:
   1.  rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, dependencies, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice

Hypothesis:
   1. theory needing investigation: a tentative explanation for a phenomenon, used as a basis for further investigation

Conjecture:
   1. guesswork: the formation of judgments or opinions on the basis of incomplete or inconclusive information

Speculation:
   1. opinion based on incomplete information: a probabilistic conclusion, theory, or opinion based on incomplete facts or information
   2. reasoning based on incomplete facts or information rooted in probability

Assumption:
   1. something taken for granted: something that is believed to be true without proof or logic
   2. a statement that is assumed to be true for the sake of argument or exploring the possibilities

And, I see NO relation to the idea of "grenade coils", and how they function.

No relation?!  I can see that you are just ignoring the list of videos I posted with devices that utilize cores and tubes/rings.  A perfect example of cherry picking.

As you've never built one, you can only assume...

Actually, I have built this one, I just never built the one according to your hypothesis (energy from the ambient).

I await your results.

A pot calling the kettle black about nil results.

[Verpies]

Maxwell Demon
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4515.0;attach=49371

Do you have the patent application number?  The connections description is not all that clear to me.

[NickZ]

  Do you mean the list if videos that have not shown one iota of free energy, or how to obtain it? Those videos???
  Would you be so kind as to show a picture or video of your so called "grenade" and what your device can do? When you disconnect power source.
Of course that will never happen, now will it? Far cry, is it...
   
   NickZ

[Verpies]

  Do you mean the list if videos that have not shown one iota of free energy,

Yes, they do claim excess energy and the coil with the core or slotted tube/ring is clearly visible.
They are not any less credible then the ones you believe in.

[Verpies]

I'll wager it was due to the " secret sauce " hidden within those windings that got depleted over the demonstration period.

Good observation.  It is more likely that this sauce was material than non-material.

A bit of Copper braid that becomes magnetic after a while.... Modern day Alchemy?

Yes, this video is a screaming anomaly.
Just to forestall some bloke replying that there is nothing unusual about a ferromagnetic wire, I'd like to write that I agree, but the anomaly is not that the wire is ferromagnetic but that it has changed its physical property from a non-ferromagnetic to a ferromagnetic metal.

[NickZ]

Yes, they do claim excess energy and the coil with the core or slotted tube/ring is clearly visible.
They are not any less credible then the ones you believe in.

  Sorry, I must have missed that. I thought that ALL of Itsu's tests proved negative. While inserting split tube, ferrite, magnets, grounds, etc... Main thing is,  will it self run?

  NickZ

[Verpies]

I thought that ALL of Itsu's tests proved negative. While inserting split tube, ferrite, magnets, grounds, etc...

Yes, but these were half-hearted attempts with coils that were not designed to create the internal conditions for mass-to-energy conversion.

These were coils designed to harvest the "energy of the ambient"... which transferred the input energy to the output like tuned transformers and the metal tubes inside them decreased the efficiency of that transfer (as they should have).