The Lockridge device

[mbrownn]

I just had a wow moment. I took a 1.2kw 220v angle grinder with a damaged armature and disconnected the second field winding. I powered it with 20v AC and measured the signal on the scope. I noticed that there were some faint transients on the input signal at the peaks of the AC wave measuring at least 80v above the wave. I then put the scope on the unused winding and measured the signal. I was getting a very dirty signal of 8v AC giving me about 14 transients per sine wave of about 6 to 20v above the AC, except at the peaks where the transient was 160v and very pronounced. Much stronger signal than seen on the input coil.

The damage to the armature is a break in the winding so that it isn't a complete loop

I took a pic with my cell phone but it is not very clear

The question is, Why are the transients bigger and more pronounced on the disconnected coil ?

[mbrownn]

I posed the question on the energetic forum and I was reminded of something.

The AC wave is obviously a transformer action between the powered field coil and the unpowered one and as expected the AC wave is of reduced voltage Most of the small transients were not visible on the powered coil but were strong and defined on the unpowered one. Usually the intensity of the signal on these types of scope is an indication of power in the spike but I wasn't expecting an increase in voltage and intensity of spkes from this unpowered coil

Second question, why are the transients so much bigger at the peaks of the wave? ie up to 20x when on the rise or fall it was about 2x

If you were looking to make transients and feed them to your source battery, placing a bridge rectifier on this would surely work although it is hard on the brushes.

The arcing at the brushes is reduced when a load is placed across the unused coil, this is known as inductive compensation.

@ boguslaw

I don't know if this is the same but I found that a 1:1 ferrite transformer can produce very high voltage spikes on disconnected secondary side . I thought it was like in Joule Thief but maybe not. 200v spikes from 12V input at 50mA.

I can charge 200uF capacitor to 200v or more quite fast in few seconds and I can find some resonant frequencies when the output spikes are more clear and stable but at other frequencies they are diffused.

Anyway it works at 18khz or generally in khz range with the ferrite generating some noisy sound (but at resonant frequencies it is more clear also) .
The only thing interesting was the 1:1 choke used for this , I didn't expected it but I know now that output of transformer can be made via Faraday law differently then based on turns ratio. Something like that was reported first by Tesla.


I apologize if this is a known method of producing DC-DC inverters , I'm not experienced in electronics.

I have btw also a question. I tried to connect a voltage multiplier to the output of transformer but only the first stage seems to work the second stage voltage is just a few volts higher. Is that because I used 22nF/1000V capacitors and they are too big ? Unfortunately I cannot check it now, I don't have other capacitors to check . I appreciate any comment or help and apologize if this is offtopic.

You are on topic, I am studying the transformer effects in a motor.

Like you I am no expert so thanks for the tip on Faraday's law, I suppose it is like what happens in an ignition coil in a way but the ratio is 1 to 1.

I just put a neon on it and it blew out but it would not light a florescent tube

I think you hit the nail on the head with Faradays law creating transients but there is another effect too.

The armature and motor field coil are bucking to some degree and this could be a reason for the increase in voltage on the unpowered coil when compared to the powered coil.

JLN Labs - The TEP Project - Bifilar VS Bucking coils

In the motor the condition will be similar to the fourth setup on the above page, of course we are using AC and not square wave but notice how the transient is increased in size and duration when compared to the others.

Now I have to find an explanation as to why the effect is only at the crests of the wave.

[mbrownn]

I think it must be the same reason, because the fields of the coils are at their maximum when the transient occurs.

I just increased the voltage to 40 volts and I got the effect along most of the wave.

[mbrownn]

Dear MBrownn
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Originally Posted by mbrownn View Post
I just had a wow moment. I took a 1.2kw 220v angle grinder with a damaged armature and disconnected the second field winding. I powered it with 20v AC and measured the signal on the scope. I noticed that there were some faint transients on the input signal at the peaks of the AC wave measuring at least 80v above the wave. I then put the scope on the unused winding and measured the signal. I was getting a very dirty signal of 8v AC giving me about 14 transients per sine wave of about 6 to 20v above the AC, except at the peaks where the transient was 160v and very pronounced. Much stronger signal than seen on the input coil.

The damage to the armature is a break in the winding so that it isn't a complete loop

My scope is an old analogue type

I took a pic with my cell phone but it is not very clear

The question is, Why are the transients bigger and more pronounced on the disconnected coil ?

The AC wave is obviously a transformer action between the powered field coil and the unpowered one and as expected the AC wave is of reduced voltage Most of the small transients were not visible on the powered coil but were strong and defined on the unpowered one. Usually the intensity of the signal on these types of scope is an indication of power in the spike but I wasn't expecting an increase in voltage and intensity of spkes from this unpowered coil

Hello MBrownn, nice to "see you" again,

By disconnecting one field of the stator motor, you are making an Asymmetrical Machine ...Therefore ALL Laws of Conservation of Energy simply do "Not Apply" (N/A)... anymore
The Primary (connected) Field starts some kind of "non symmetrical open induction" into the Secondary Field, this last one (2nd Field) by being open, starts to resonate its magnetic induced field from Primary, with the "Open Space", and, since absolutely nothing impedes from it to do so, as it no longer have a "killing reversed input" ...then it outputs those incredible spikes...

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Second question, why are the transients so much bigger at the peaks of the wave? ie up to 20x when on the rise or fall it was about 2x
This Open Coil (Secondary Field not connected) is Resonating, Feed-backing from and endless source of energy...It will keep developing this Higher Signals "in crescendo" as You increase the Primary Input AC Pulses...
I have named this as "Negative Induction"...an Open, Asymmetrical Induction established between a pulsed Coil response action with the Open Space...the Vacuum...the Aether...


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The arcing at the brushes is reduced when a load is placed across the unused coil, this is known as inductive compensation.
When you place a load on the non connected, resonating Coil...it establish some kind of reverse network communication with its "feeder" (the Primary Coil), demanding more "Positive Induction" in order to keep generating its new Load now is demanding...therefore, the Primary now has "Two Jobs" to perform:

1- To keep machine rotating
2- To feed secondary positive induction...

Therefore, diminishing the excessive arcing at brushes.
There is more to this...
I believe, (not sure because have not done the additional testings necessary as to be "completely" sure) But, I believe this reverse connection from secondary (not connected coil) to Primary, (connected) also allows the back flow to Primary of some of the Resonating Field Energy...
If you have time, measure Voltage across Primary as you load the Secondary...


I know...You now for sure...May think I have gone "completely" insane...

But am ok...

Regards

Ufopolitics

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ufopolitics View Post
Hello MBrownn, nice to "see you" again,

By disconnecting one field of the stator motor, you are making an Asymmetrical Machine ...Therefore ALL Laws of Conservation of Energy simply do "Not Apply" (N/A)... anymore
The Primary (connected) Field starts some kind of "non symmetrical open induction" into the Secondary Field, this last one (2nd Field) by being open, starts to resonate its magnetic induced field from Primary, with the "Open Space", and, since absolutely nothing impedes from it to do so, as it no longer have a "killing reversed input" ...then it outputs those incredible spikes...


This Open Coil (Secondary Field not connected) is Resonating, Feed-backing from and endless source of energy...It will keep developing this Higher Signals "in crescendo" as You increase the Primary Input AC Pulses...
I have named this as "Negative Induction"...an Open, Asymmetrical Induction established between a pulsed Coil response action with the Open Space...the Vacuum...the Aether...



When you place a load on the non connected, resonating Coil...it establish some kind of reverse network communication with its "feeder" (the Primary Coil), demanding more "Positive Induction" in order to keep generating its new Load now is demanding...therefore, the Primary now has "Two Jobs" to perform:

1- To keep machine rotating
2- To feed secondary positive induction...

Therefore, diminishing the excessive arcing at brushes.
There is more to this...
I believe, (not sure because have not done the additional testings necessary as to be "completely" sure) But, I believe this reverse connection from secondary (not connected coil) to Primary, (connected) also allows the back flow to Primary of some of the Resonating Field Energy...
If you have time, measure Voltage across Primary as you load the Secondary...


I know...You now for sure...May think I have gone "completely" insane...

But am ok...

Regards

Ufopolitics
Not sure, you may have something or maybe not.

I have just been examining the spike more closely, It raises up 5v above the AC and has many small spikes of a volt or so above that then curves up into the huge spike. On the way down it also curves out much as it would with inductive kickback. No obvious oscillation as shown by JLN.

My gut feeling on this is that as the commutator draws an ark we get this 5v raise in voltage and as the arc breaks the voltage shoots up. on the way down it acts like inductive kickback until it drops to the voltage of the AC wave.

Of course the mirror image occurs on the negative side of the wave.

I will do the load test tomorrow as its 2am here

[Hiwater]

   Sounds like youre on to something there. If theres a break in the wire you most be getting transformer action from one part to the other effecting the secondary coil.

       When I was testing the locked torque motor-gen action. It seemed like i could charge that coil up with power it woud swing up past 4 volts if i pulsed ot pretty fast by hand. Upon disconnecting the meter would swing negative but couldnt tell how much below zero it would go.

     I think a person can pump these coils up to pretty high voltage if we change the positive brush so it charges the motor coil a little longer.


   Ill put that on my to do list.  keep testing one thing allways leads to what we need to know for the next step.

[mbrownn]

   Sounds like youre on to something there. If theres a break in the wire you most be getting transformer action from one part to the other effecting the secondary coil.

       When I was testing the locked torque motor-gen action. It seemed like i could charge that coil up with power it woud swing up past 4 volts if i pulsed ot pretty fast by hand. Upon disconnecting the meter would swing negative but couldnt tell how much below zero it would go.

     I think a person can pump these coils up to pretty high voltage if we change the positive brush so it charges the motor coil a little longer.


   Ill put that on my to do list.  keep testing one thing allways leads to what we need to know for the next step.

I believe so, the trick is to get all these interactions to supply their potential in the same direction so that it adds and not subtracts. I believe geometry can do that to some extent

Here is my last post on the energetics thread. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11399-wow-transients.html#post193090 we are making progress one step at a time. I think the transformer action is proven, the bucking coil effect seems to be real and in the direction of the transformer action. now we need to establish if the generator action is is the same direction and if it is in phase with the transformer action.

[Hiwater]

   

  Question.  Is the transformer action the same as the armature action. Armature reaction or the charge cycle reaction (as I call It can be done). This m

means that when you put a load on the sec the armature speed up. But I have only done that with one wire connected to the positive brush from the secondary and the other to the load (bulb and ground). Each generator-motor is different. Some of these motors just dont want to work that way. I have taken the same generator wound the coils the same way done every thing thr same, that I could think of and wont work. In fact I worked on this all day yesterday. I wound 3 different secondary coils to get the effect. But still wouldnt speed up. I can get it so it doesnt slow the motor down, stays the same speed. But we need the armature to be pushed under load.

    I did find out yesterday that the load resistance on the secondary has to be  the right resistance to get the best effect when connedcted to the secondary coil. It may bog the motor down right away, but then pick up in speed if the resistance is too high. If it lower it will pick up in rpm right away.


  Another thing is the air gap has to be wider to get the rpm gain In theory. going to work on that today. To see if it does proove any thing.



    Also all armatures are no made the same. this is what baffles me. Some you can get the effect, others you cant. Work still in progress.

[mbrownn]

Got your pics, by the way your workshop is cleaner than mine . The armatures appear to be wound different but its impossible to say without testing.

Question.  Is the transformer action the same as the armature action. Armature reaction or the charge cycle reaction (as I call It can be done). This m

means that when you put a load on the sec the armature speed up. But I have only done that with one wire connected to the positive brush from the secondary and the other to the load (bulb and ground). Each generator-motor is different. Some of these motors just dont want to work that way.

Not sure what you mean, can you do a sketch?

The armature may speed up under load on the generator coil as it is compensating armature reaction. It will also speed up when the gap is increased as the generating action is reduced. as you can see both these actions are opposed so there should not be much difference in the loaded condition.

Try those tests and compare results for the different components

Are you using a diode on your supply to produce half wave rectification? hopefully this will solve the residual magnetism problem

[Hiwater]

   

   I was thinking about how the transformer action was working along with the armature reactiion. I see that its 2 different cycles.
   

   Youre right about the air gap.  No I havent tried the diode yet, been busy with work again. Maybe this weekend.

   When I get time im going to put in 2 motor run coils and time them so one fires then the other and check the charge coil to see how much gain there is.
   
   I also have that old 110 volt i have to get out and do those experiments on. i put in a 12 volt motor coil to spin it. Was gettin somethin like 48 volts out of it. Ac that is. if i rectify it should be quite a bit more. I was charging capacitors with and it would put out 15 amps. Heck of a spark.

  never an end to experiments is there.

[mbrownn]

I will be moving houses over the next week so wont be on much

[Slider2732]

Hope the moving went well

On reading your report of the broken winding, I do believe you've found the Eureka effect. Not that i'm any form of expert...however would I be right in thinking it relates to an unloading of what would have been caught up energies ?
In other words, i think it relates to Ufopolitics viewpoint. Perhaps consider Lenz Law as a spring or shock absorber on a car, that is compressed when loaded. Similarly to shorting a winding and seeing effects like speed up under load, completely the opposite of breaking a connection may allow collapse energies to leave the system and be usefully collected.
My thought, if it can be considered, is to tap  that broken winding finding for all it has going for it, in another fully wound motor. Can the connection be made and broken ? made with an extra brush point, which then releases the energy at the point you see on your scope shot ?
I imagine the make point to be just after a magnetic interaction and release point to be just when conventional Lenz Law says the compressing ought to be in effect. Your tuning then becomes a case of tuning like a car from TDC, a degree left, a degree right.
Any which way, a fascinating scope shot 

[mbrownn]

I finally got moved but I havn't got a clue where all my stuff is I also started a job on Monday so I have less time to experiment butI will do as much as I can.

The UFO guy has some interesting concepts but I would like to know more. I think I know why the broken winding causes huge spikes but it is just another clue into the workings of these types of motors

[Hiwater]

I believe so, the trick is to get all these interactions to supply their potential in the same direction so that it adds and not subtracts. I believe geometry can do that to some extent

Here is my last post on the energetics thread. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11399-wow-transients.html#post193090 we are making progress one step at a time. I think the transformer action is proven, the bucking coil effect seems to be real and in the direction of the transformer action. now we need to establish if the generator action is is the same direction and if it is in phase with the transformer action.

   This is something that i have been working on.  Havent quite got it figured out yet. some principles. If the motor motorises 1 way- the residual magnetisim is in that direction. Then if i drive the motor in that direction It wont generate un till the charge coil wires are reversed.


So the motor action and generator action must be 90 degrees out of phase. If i rotate it the other direction it wont charge at all. Untill maybe the residual magnetisim is reversed. Just therory as of right now untill i can verify it.

I think the charge cycle in the armature has to be wound at 90 degrees to the motor cycle in the armature. Also is the BEMF 180 degrees out of phase. If this is the case to make use of this the part we want to use for the BEMF has to be wound opposite of the initial positive voltage to make it work for us. this will push the rotor ahead. im just throwing some things out there for us to think about.

  Just some things to consider. The trifflar coil off the motor side could have been, with one of the windings to get a lot of BEMF back in to the rotor was switched or pulsed. if it was wound in series to ground from the second motor coil which was i think both north poles. So the generator coils would have to be south poles. then we can go from there as to how we think the gen circuit works. Motor coil and gen coil use 1/4 of the armature. creating a vortex in the center of the armature for some extra energy to come in. Like in Walter Russels coil drawings. Just some of my thoughts. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting closer.

[Hiwater]

I just had a wow moment. I took a 1.2kw 220v angle grinder with a damaged armature and disconnected the second field winding. I powered it with 20v AC and measured the signal on the scope. I noticed that there were some faint transients on the input signal at the peaks of the AC wave measuring at least 80v above the wave. I then put the scope on the unused winding and measured the signal. I was getting a very dirty signal of 8v AC giving me about 14 transients per sine wave of about 6 to 20v above the AC, except at the peaks where the transient was 160v and very pronounced. Much stronger signal than seen on the input coil.

The damage to the armature is a break in the winding so that it isn't a complete loop

I took a pic with my cell phone but it is not very clear

The question is, Why are the transients bigger and more pronounced on the disconnected coil ?

Was the 160 volt rise the same direction as the positive voltag in put or was it the reverse. Was just wondering if it was the BEMF doing it or how the voltage was built up. Is this with the rotor you rewound or a different one. Also is the rotor all series wound connecting to each commutator section. This is definitly somrething to persue farther. Could be the break were looking for. Thanks.

[mbrownn]

   This is something that i have been working on.  Havent quite got it figured out yet. some principles. If the motor motorises 1 way- the residual magnetisim is in that direction. Then if i drive the motor in that direction It wont generate un till the charge coil wires are reversed.

On the residual magnetism, this is good for generated EMF but also is the cause of the BEMF in the motor coil as BEMF and Generated EMF is the same thing. As far as transformer action is concerned, the residual magnetism may work against us as the varying field will not vary so much but the transformer action also reduces flux in the motor coils reducing torque, the residual magnetism may be a benefit in this case as it will increase flux in the iron cores partially compensating for the loss of flux.

The generation in the second coil occurs in the opposite direction to the input current in the primary as does the transformer action so these should work togeather for our benefit but I think you a right about the geometry, I will have to be changed.

So the motor action and generator action must be 90 degrees out of phase. If i rotate it the other direction it wont charge at all. Untill maybe the residual magnetisim is reversed. Just therory as of right now untill i can verify it.

I think the charge cycle in the armature has to be wound at 90 degrees to the motor cycle in the armature. Also is the BEMF 180 degrees out of phase. If this is the case to make use of this the part we want to use for the BEMF has to be wound opposite of the initial positive voltage to make it work for us. this will push the rotor ahead. im just throwing some things out there for us to think about.

As I said we will have to change the geometry but I suspect it might not be as much as 90 degrees. It isn't that the BEMF is 180 degrees out of phase, its in the opposite direction and out of phase

Just some things to consider. The trifflar coil off the motor side could have been, with one of the windings to get a lot of BEMF back in to the rotor was switched or pulsed. if it was wound in series to ground from the second motor coil which was i think both north poles. So the generator coils would have to be south poles. then we can go from there as to how we think the gen circuit works. Motor coil and gen coil use 1/4 of the armature. creating a vortex in the center of the armature for some extra energy to come in. Like in Walter Russels coil drawings. Just some of my thoughts. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting closer.

Inductive kickback, transients, transformer actions and BEMF are not the same thing, they are four different things. BEMF and generated current are the same thing and occur as a result of a magnetic field cutting a coil. With the trifilar coil, assuming we have no magnetic fields cutting it, will have a varying transformer type field and so a transformer action will occur. As we will switch off the current rapidly we will also get inductive kickback which is a ramp down of current equal to the energy stored in the capacitance of the coil, that is able to impedance match its load (in other words it can be connected to a higher voltage output than the input as well as higher resistance but it will contain the same energy no mater what the load is), on top of this we get a transient of high voltage which has negligible current.

It is likely that this coil is in series with our motor but will not be effected by the magnetic poles in the motor however it may have an influence on them. As it is effectively wrapped around the same iron case, it may increase flux in the iron increasing torque. As it is likely to be of very low resistance there will be little losses so only giving a benefit in this manor. Our rotor will be disconnected electrically from the trifilar coil when the inductive kickback occurs but the magnetism could increase flux in the motor core causing more torque.

To be honest the vortex field makes my head spin

I suspect we can see the light at the end of the tunnel but I don't know how far it is away, every time I think I have it, I find a new problem to solve.

Was the 160 volt rise the same direction as the positive voltag in put or was it the reverse. Was just wondering if it was the BEMF doing it or how the voltage was built up. Is this with the rotor you rewound or a different one. Also is the rotor all series wound connecting to each commutator section. This is definitly somrething to persue farther. Could be the break were looking for. Thanks.

The transients are in the same direction as the voltage, that is if the voltage is more positive the spike is positive, If the voltage is going negative then the spike is negative. Its not the BEMF, It is the inductive kickback and transient. The rotor is lap wound (standard) but with a break in the wire in one place. Its a partially burned out motor. The key here is the gain in the transient, with my modified rotor I will get exactly this effect but in one direction when running on DC and we collect it in the output coil. Each Time I find something relevant, I post about it but no one seems to understand what the relevance is

To sum up, we have a generator action and transformer action in the same direction at the same time but we need to move the location of the generator coil to maximize the generator action. We have an increase in magnitude of the transients with no increase in input power. We have inductive kickback. We have a loss in flux due to the transformer action but residual magnetism may compensate for this to some extent and if we wind the trifilar coil around the motor this may also compensate for flux loss. In all these actions we have only one iron loss and one friction loss.

Now lets do a thought experiment.

If our motor is 35% efficient, friction and copper losses are 15% and the iron losses being the remaining 50%

We input 100w so that 35w are converted to mechanical power and 35% of 35 watts is the inductive kickback power so now our mechanical power is 47.25w

Our generator will only have copper losses as the iron and friction losses were paid by the motor so lets say it is effectively 95% efficient giving us an output of 44.88w of generated power.

Our transformer action again will only have copper losses so lets assume it is again 95% efficient. But do we consider the 100w input for the transformer action or only the 35w after losses? I will assume worst case so we have 35 + 12.25 inductive kickback x 0.95 so we get another 44.88w, giving a total of 89.76w output of electrical power.

This isn't enough but wait, now we add the Gray circuit using the capacitor to recycle the energy put in the motor. now we have 35 + 12.25 x 89.76% additional power to play with or another 40.28 watts giving us an output of 130w. All this without the trifilar coil.

[Hiwater]

    Havent had much time to work on these projects.  I did have some time to experiment with moving the main brushes. changing there

    position relative to the feild coils. Nothing concrete yet. Next thing is to take the wires off the armature and rewind it. I believe this is the

    next step, before anymore improvements will show up.

[mbrownn]

I think we can set it up to pulse without altering the windings with an external commutator, do you want to give it a try? we can even try the Gray or Aviso circuits on the standard motor

[Peterae]

Anyone heard from Ramset, he has not logged in for 50 days which was about the time i heard he had been involved in an industrial accident, hope he's OK

[Hiwater]

I think we can set it up to pulse without altering the windings with an external commutator, do you want to give it a try? we can even try the Gray or Aviso circuits on the standard motor

   Sure im all for it. I have plenty of commutators i can use. Just need to figure out how to adapt it to the shaft or make a split ring unit out of copper pipe.

  i was checking polarity on the armature this evening . Its not what i thought. Whith the brushes 180 degrees, north is 90 degrees to the armature. That is when the north on the compass points exactly to the armature. The same on the south side. it points to the armature 90 degrees between the brushes. So the north is between the pole shoes, same with the south. That is the strongest point on both sides.

  The armatures must be wound advanced a few armature slots. Lookin at the ones i have they are about 3 armature slots off the commutator bars. Going to do some more checking tomorrow evening. The more I dig into this the more I find out I dont know.Which is good. It gives me more determination.
   
     
                                                                                                                                     
     


                                           

[mbrownn]

@ Peterae, no not heard from him.

   Sure im all for it. I have plenty of commutators i can use. Just need to figure out how to adapt it to the shaft or make a split ring unit out of copper pipe.

  i was checking polarity on the armature this evening . Its not what i thought. Whith the brushes 180 degrees, north is 90 degrees to the armature. That is when the north on the compass points exactly to the armature. The same on the south side. it points to the armature 90 degrees between the brushes. So the north is between the pole shoes, same with the south. That is the strongest point on both sides.

  The armatures must be wound advanced a few armature slots. Lookin at the ones i have they are about 3 armature slots off the commutator bars. Going to do some more checking tomorrow evening. The more I dig into this the more I find out I dont know.Which is good. It gives me more determination.                                    

Yes thats how the fields are on the rotor, hence the generator coil is not at 180 degrees to the motor coil.

The comutator you will need is similar to the one shown here http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Icehouse%20SR.jpg but the brushes will be placed differently. Then we wire it to the circuit I posted here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1461.0

[PhysicsProf]

Anyone heard from Ramset, he has not logged in for 50 days which was about the time i heard he had been involved in an industrial accident, hope he's OK

His accident hurt his hand, and according to Chet, was not that serious. 
But I haven't heard from him for a long time, either.

I will write him and see how he's doing.

[Hiwater]

 Mbrownn.

            Just checking in. I havent had much time to do any work on the pulsing unit yet. Ill let you know how it goes.


             I should be able to connect the scope up to it to see what kind of spikes were getting.

 

[mbrownn]

I look forward to seeing it

[PhysicsProf]

  Had a quick phone conversation with Chet -- he says he's doing well.  Beyond that, not much news.

[mbrownn]

good to here it