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We can never predict a gain based on common scientific theories. Their internal coherence implies energy conservation.
To find a gain, it is necessary to explore the unknown in new or little used ways.

Thonemann's patent seems to me to meet this criterion. Moreover, it has similarities with this paper from H Ardavan that I have already given, where the magnetic field is replaced by an electric field, and the travelling wave is here a displacement current in a dielectric common to a line of sequentially switched capacitors.
Maxwell's equations refer to a current density. But a current density is not necessarily related to a current in a conductor or in a plasma, it can be related to a displacement current in a dielectric. And a displacement current can be produced in a dielectric without speed limit, so we can hope for new things.
I think Ardavan's experiment is more innovative than Thonemann's patent, but both are close and to be explored.


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Remove this comment if off topic or placed from my ignorance of the subject matter.
very recently I was made aware of some experiments which made claims .
the claim being that UV light greatly enhances the flow in a plasma [or spark Gap]

an experiment was proposed to establish a spark gap and then dial back the input until it stops
and then start adding UV light ,it was also claimed the plasma will follow a UV laser path much as flowing along a wire [does this mean bends too?mirrors??]

In my minds eye this is a remarkable claim...and apparently has actual potential applications [explained by a few I've asked about this ...as a Switch mechanism ??
but again could just be my layman's perspective on that field ?

UV LED's were said to also work ??
also very cheap UV lasers

To add this experiment is on the schedule to be done ,will report findings,or the member here who shared this will
once he finds time to do the experiment ,I have connected with a fellow from another forum with a much biigger
gas UV laser ,he has offered to send a laser for tests ?


   
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Remove this comment if off topic or placed from my ignorance of the subject matter.
very recently I was made aware of some experiments which made claims .
the claim being that UV light greatly enhances the flow in a plasma [or spark Gap]

an experiment was proposed to establish a spark gap and then dial back the input until it stops
and then start adding UV light ,it was also claimed the plasma will follow a UV laser path much as flowing along a wire [does this mean bends too?mirrors??]

In my minds eye this is a remarkable claim...and apparently has actual potential applications [explained by a few I've asked about this ...as a Switch mechanism ??
but again could just be my layman's perspective on that field ?

UV LED's were said to also work ??
also very cheap UV lasers

To add this experiment is on the schedule to be done ,will report findings,or the member here who shared this will
once he finds time to do the experiment ,I have connected with a fellow from another forum with a much biigger
gas UV laser ,he has offered to send a laser for tests ?

Dear Chet

For a spark to jump a gap it must first ionize the space between the electrodes

UV light does ionize the air in the vicinity of the lamp, therefore it is no mystery that it would allow a spark to jump a gap at a lower voltage by pre-ionizing the space.

The same would happen if a lightly radioactive emitter were in the vicinity. I have some neon lamps that are painted with radium to lower the firing voltage. These were used as switching devices in old test equipment from the 50's or 60's

I suspect you could also use RF energy in the gap to cause local ionization.


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It's turtles all the way down
We can never predict a gain based on common scientific theories. Their internal coherence implies energy conservation.
To find a gain, it is necessary to explore the unknown in new or little used ways.

Thonemann's patent seems to me to meet this criterion. Moreover, it has similarities with this paper from H Ardavan that I have already given, where the magnetic field is replaced by an electric field, and the travelling wave is here a displacement current in a dielectric common to a line of sequentially switched capacitors.
Maxwell's equations refer to a current density. But a current density is not necessarily related to a current in a conductor or in a plasma, it can be related to a displacement current in a dielectric. And a displacement current can be produced in a dielectric without speed limit, so we can hope for new things.
I think Ardavan's experiment is more innovative than Thonemann's patent, but both are close and to be explored.

I agree with your point of view.

Would be interesting if Ardavan's experiment were arranged in a loop and had a detection method that would automatically control frequency of the switching pulses to track the desired speed setpoints.


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Let's say, hypothetically, that someone built a device like a TPU, and this person wanted to use output electrical power to power static DC field coils with the intent of increasing the power output by increasing the DC magnetic field.  This assumes that the DC magnetic field is a contributing factor to operation, and that increasing the static DC magnetic field WILL increase the device output.

This static DC field coil does not see the output, so there is no direct feedback between these two elements.

Assume that transients and variations in the power from the output to the static DC coil will directly effect the device output.

So you can see the possible scenario: power out increases DC field increases power out increases DC field boom!

How can you limit the energy delivered to the static DC field coil so that the device does not exceed the capacity of the wire elements?

   
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Let's say, hypothetically, that someone built a device like a TPU, and this person wanted to use output electrical power to power static DC field coils with the intent of increasing the power output by increasing the DC magnetic field.  This assumes that the DC magnetic field is a contributing factor to operation, and that increasing the static DC magnetic field WILL increase the device output.

This static DC field coil does not see the output, so there is no direct feedback between these two elements.

Assume that transients and variations in the power from the output to the static DC coil will directly effect the device output.

So you can see the possible scenario: power out increases DC field increases power out increases DC field boom!

How can you limit the energy delivered to the static DC field coil so that the device does not exceed the capacity of the wire elements?


I have many times now pointed out that there is a technique in compound wound generators that accomplishes this, as well as performing very tight load regulation over a certain range.

This technique has been perfected over one century or more of R&D in generator technology. More so, at a certain level of output with the appropriate tiny circuit, current foldback can be incorporated, keeping everything very safe.

Read up on this and it's variants, because it is a clever yet simple way of getting load regulation, and worked out a very long time ago:

http://www.electrical-engineering-assignment.com/compound-wound-generator


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Thanks.  I'll add that to my notes.
   
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