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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
I think maybe I go back much further than you do (I am 80 years young) and as a child I played with crystal sets and old radios that my dad used to get from junk shops.  And I do remember early tubes having no cathode.  Wikipedia says "Vacuum tubes mostly rely on thermionic emission of electrons from a hot filament or a cathode heated by the filament".  So I stand by my statement.  But maybe this is just semantics on the word "cathode" since the hot filament is the cathode.

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It comes down to semantics I suppose, but technically speaking, all tubes have cathodes. It just comes down to whether the cathode is directly or indirectly heated.


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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Here is the spec sheet for a 2A3 from the RC-12 tube manual (1934).

It is a directly heated cathode type and referred to as a "cathode which is composed of a large number of filaments". ;)


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The very first valve rectifiers were just an anode plate in the envelope of a incandescent lamp to collect the electrons that boiled off the hot filaments. Later a grid was introduced to control the flow. All of the early 4 pin triodes (45, 26, 2A3 etc) used the filament itself as the cathode. With the introduction of the fifth pin, separately heated cathodes were introduced, although this was also possible by sharing one of the filament pins with the cathode plate in the 4 pin models.

Newer filament construction was via a folded  ceramic coated wire or spiralled wire. This heated a bismuth coated plate or tubular structure as the cathode.

In a folded wire filament, the repulsive forces between the individual strands can be large. This formed a non-inductive filament structure, and as such, the inrush current was substantial, but probably swamped by the PTC of the filament wire itself.

I doubt that SM was talking about this effect, however he did make the analogy of the jumper cables.

It should not be difficult to suspend a wire on a silk thread horizontally,  and allow a spark such as a high voltage capacitor discharge to complete itself through the wire. Such an experiment would have to be set up very carefully to avoid magnetic artifacts, ion wind etc. Also set up perhaps on a turntable so it could be easily positioned in the earth field bias.

(sorry, written while poynt was posting)

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I am wondering if this can all be tied to radiant energy.

Tesla discovered radiant energy, when he was called in to find out why people were being killed the moment high voltage lines were switched on, at the moment of switch on large sparks would jump out and kill  Innocent bystanders from the pylons, he cured this by suppression across the switch.

I believe that it is quiet easy to produce radiant energy and it maybe just as simple as reaching a point where your switch on time is fast enough.

I believe i have detected radiant energy, simply by using a 100K resistor wound round the tip of a scope probe and across it's earth so as to put the 100K load across a floating scope lead, when this is placed near some of my pulsing experiments i detected very strange waveforms.




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http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=272.msg11035#msg11035

And then we have modern EMC design where ground planes are used to soak up EM noise on PCBs, well metal plates are used to collect Radiant energy, so can that mean that some EM noise is actually radiant in nature and can induce a voltage on a plate as per Tesla's description of a radiant burst, if so then the radiant burst emenates from the source in all directions as if a ripple in a pond ripples outwards, how many places can we collect that radiant pulse and it's energy.
   

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You'll need high voltage.

Henry disharged a cap into a coil - magnetizing iron nails in the basement of the building.

Elihu Thomson used a Ruhmkorff coil connected to a water pipe and a large metal table.

Tesla took it from there.

Dollard used spiral coils but drove them with a 20kv supply.

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http://overunity.com/14640/tpu-successfull-replicaction-cop10-1kw-torroid/dlattach/attach/144761/

This was recently posted at  OU.com by a first time poster Odumy

Feel free to remove if it's just noise.....

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That patent is the Molina-Martinez device and he later said publicly that the device was not OU, but he thought it was at the time.
   
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Thanks Grump
I'm told that this site is connected to the inventor ?

http://the-molina-institute.org/      [as you have stated]

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Could be.  Same name.
   
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Again I found this old paper of mine and thought it might trigger some interest.

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I was playing around with an audio tube amplifier, and my boy comes over and hits the box (2 yr old).   Suddenly a very strange sound came over the speakers and it lasted for quite a few seconds.  It sounded metallic in nature, something I heard before on some power lines. 

Anyway,  I'm going to try making some experiments on the TPU theories.   Got my coils out! 

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I was playing around with an audio tube amplifier, and my boy comes over and hits the box (2 yr old).   Suddenly a very strange sound came over the speakers and it lasted for quite a few seconds.  It sounded metallic in nature, something I heard before on some power lines. 

Anyway,  I'm going to try making some experiments on the TPU theories.   Got my coils out! 

EM


I have worked on tube amps for a very long time. Most likely it was a tube that had become "microphonic". There are other possibilities, e.g. noisy resistor or capacitor, bad connection to a tube socket, or even the magnetic field from the voice coil or output transformer  affecting the tube elements, but without knowing more about the amp, this is just guessing.

Supply a picture and model number and we can go further.

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Does it have a reverb? Maybe it was the reverb tank resonating.


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Does it have a reverb? Maybe it was the reverb tank resonating.

Yes, agreed, the reverb tank makes a hell of a noise, especially the unfolded lines. I have many times been severely chastised by the audience when I nudged my amp a bit while performing. This is the most obvious cause, I just wasn't thinking it was a guitar amp as that was not mentioned.


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I was playing around with an audio tube amplifier, and my boy comes over and hits the box (2 yr old).   Suddenly a very strange sound came over the speakers and it lasted for quite a few seconds.  It sounded metallic in nature, something I heard before on some power lines. 

Anyway,  I'm going to try making some experiments on the TPU theories.   Got my coils out! 

EM 
From everything I've read, I've come to believe the secret to the TPU was feedback. If you have a pulsing core coil primary, what kind of secondary allows you to collect the kicks and send them back to the primary? One might need a resonant coil (to resonate with the primary); then, what kind of coil config will enable one to draw from the resonant coil without affecting its oscillation?  ;)
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From everything I've read, I've come to believe the secret to the TPU was feedback. If you have a pulsing core coil primary, what kind of secondary allows you to collect the kicks and send them back to the primary? One might need a resonant coil (to resonate with the primary); then, what kind of coil config will enable one to draw from the resonant coil without affecting its oscillation?  ;)
Bob

This is on my slate for further experimentation.
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The kick was just a compressed HV pulse.

Poynt modeled the compressed pulse in Spice, but I've never seen that method in any literature.

How the pulse is applied is what matters.
   

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The kick was just a compressed HV pulse.

Poynt modeled the compressed pulse in Spice, but I've never seen that method in any literature.

How the pulse is applied is what matters.

The kick imo is the result of the HV/HC pulse applied to a coil or coils. The end result being a slight movement of the coil apparatus in relation to its position in space. It's simply the sharp/abrupt magnetic field produced in the TPU pushing/pulling against the earth's steady magnetic field.

Contrary to what SM seems to espouse, I don't believe this kick or movement is responsible for the power generation, it is simply an effect of the process, and this effect is what gives the device its "gyroscopic feel".


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The kick imo is the result of the HV/HC pulse applied to a coil or coils. The end result being a slight movement of the coil apparatus in relation to its position in space. It's simply the sharp/abrupt magnetic field produced in the TPU pushing/pulling against the earth's steady magnetic field.

Contrary to what SM seems to espouse, I don't believe this kick or movement is responsible for the power generation, it is simply an effect of the process, and this effect is what gives the device its "gyroscopic feel".

The pulsed coil doesn't move, everything around it does if free to move, even space - this is easy to see with a coil and hv pulser and based on actual experience.  More mass = more movement, and all materials that I tested were affected.

It is NOT a magnetic pulse at all.  You will detect no EM field from this pulse.

The kick is what exposes the force, so it is responsible.

Very easy to test, like I said. 

Do any of you have a pulser of at least 1.5kv, in the low ns range?  Pulse rate doesn't matter much to just see an effect.
   

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The pulsed coil doesn't move, everything around it does if free to move, even space - this is easy to see with a coil and hv pulser and based on actual experience.  More mass = more movement, and all materials that I tested were affected.

It is NOT a magnetic pulse at all.  You will detect no EM field from this pulse.

The kick is what exposes the force, so it is responsible.

Very easy to test, like I said. 

Do any of you have a pulser of at least 1.5kv, in the low ns range?  Pulse rate doesn't matter much to just see an effect.

Grumpy,

Even though I've been pretty quiet There have been a few occasions where I've tried an idea or two. Some of that time has been playing with extremely short duration HV (600V - 20kV). The durations I've worked with have ranged from single digit ms to single digit ns. Even with my 1 gig scope there was nothing unusual seen in pulse experiments involving inductance and capacitance.

The most unusual seen was DC pulse ringing - I've seen some folks call them solitons. But, these also have classical explanations.

What should I look for?


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did any of you carry out an experiment to see how the inductance of a coil changes (if at all) with the application of an electrostatic charge to it? 

 I vaguely remember some invention where that was the basis for FE, I always wonder about this.   Similarly,  a nonlinear inductor should produce interesting results.  FYI, I'm trying to rig up a magnetic amplifier,  to see if I can put it in feedback, should be fun experimenting.

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Grumpy,

Even though I've been pretty quiet There have been a few occasions where I've tried an idea or two. Some of that time has been playing with extremely short duration HV (600V - 20kV). The durations I've worked with have ranged from single digit ms to single digit ns. Even with my 1 gig scope there was nothing unusual seen in pulse experiments involving inductance and capacitance.

The most unusual seen was DC pulse ringing - I've seen some folks call them solitons. But, these also have classical explanations.

What should I look for?

I used an avalanche stack at 2kv.  Brooks wound coil of 1300 feet #28 hi-temp insulation mag wire.  I can get the actual former that I used and measure it if you want, but ID is around 1 inch and OD of 3 inches, 1 inch wide.  Pulse this coil and hold a magnet near it.  I free- ran my pulser at around 1 MHz with my first try and that magnet is all over the place.  Then you will think to try other objects and they are all affected.  Ponderomotive force? Gravity field? ???  I could make pieces of plastic crawl across the bench, and pencil lead, magnets act freaky.

   

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Brooks 1931

http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/air_coils.html

There is probably a correlation between inductance and coupling to space.
   
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It would make sense that ferromagnetic materials would dampen it then. In my eyes anyway.
   
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Did anybody try this TPU coil arrangement?


I have some copper plated iron wire, and I'm thinking to rig this up and experiment.  I'm on the hunt to understand how DC voltage is created in the TPU.  From one of the TPU videos we saw SM moving a magnet around the periphery of the large TPU, so we know there's got to be ferromagnetic wire or material inside his coil.   He also talked about rotating magnetic fields, so an arrangement of two toroidal coils will facilitate rotation if driven 90 deg out of phase.  

I think this arrangement has all the key ingredients for experimentation.  What do you guys think?

EM

[edit:  I guess a critical detail is the mixing of two frequencies, as he says in the large tpu video,  I guess I need to buy another frequency generator  LOL]

I would like you guys to think about this.  Is there a difference between a vibrating coil, with NO current on it, and one that does have current on it while vibrating?   I believe the answer is yes, there should be a difference.  This may just be a byproduct of the energy creation, but illustrates how fascinating is the TPU.
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