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Can anyone explain the steel girder that is many stories tall just dissipating into dust?



Indeed - this is corrected in FAQ#3 by AE911Truth.org -

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Wood asserts that the steel "turned to dust." One of the key observations that she uses to support this conclusion is the dust that appeared when a portion of the North Tower's core finally came down about 12 seconds into the destruction of the North Tower, several seconds after the floors that used to surround that core structure had been pulverized or had fallen to the ground. Upon studying the video of the "spire," however, we find that the steel did not "turn to dust" (see for example the next to last segment in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W0-W582fNQ). The spire clearly simply fell after being "shaken" – most likely by explosive charges, leaving behind, in mid-air, the pulverized concrete that had been resting on, or statically stuck to, the steel. As is well known, air resistance causes dust to fall slower than structural steel (note the final remaining column falling faster than the dust in the third photograph of the sequence).

http://www.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/505-ae911truth-faq-6-whats-your-assessment-of-the-directed-energy-weapon-dew-hypothesis.html

Note also that last week, AE911Truth's Richard Gage appeared for 40 minutes on C-SPAN, answering questions!


   
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From my own experience working in the Foundry business I too found the fact that molten Steel could be created by simply mixing Kerosene and air was too good to be true !!  I wish I had had that sort of technology back then !!  Smiley

Cheers Grum.

Could you expand on how this might be done or were you speaking tongue in cheek? How would a newcomer to this thread interpret your statement? From my experience it cannot be done with Kero /air mixture. Maybe Kero / pure oxygen?, don't know, I'm not a chemist or metallurgist, just a guy with common sense and some firsthand experience.


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Talking of sulphur, the whole 911 thing smells of bad eggs.

There must have been a huge amount of people involved, the thing is why have there not been any squealers :o

I really do think this was an inside job, the evidence is so great, maybe they bumped off the charge layers etc, what is a few more on top of the thousands that have died :(

In the last 25 years or so I have taken on a different light of this world we live on, it is so corrupt.

regards

Mike 8)

PS. ION I think Grum was talking tongue in cheek, our English way, we both come from the same neck of the woods ;D


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There must have been a huge amount of people involved, the thing is why have there not been any squealers :o


Compartmentalization solves the problem and not that many were actually required.

Remember the Manhatten Project and how it was kept secret. Tens of thousands of workers, only a handful knew the intent of the project.

Wireless radio detonated explosives eliminates the need for wires. Only need to drill holes, insert and plaster over them. Narrow beamed high power microwave signal from building 7 sweeping from top to bottom of towers insures progressive and properly timed explosions. Building 7 then a normal demolition event to destroy evidence of high power microwave beaming equipment on the 21st floor.

People can get very quiet when their families lives are threatened. Those "hands on" closest to the placing of the explosives can also be eliminated.

Just a wild guess of how high tech it might have been.



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Could you expand on how this might be done or were you speaking tongue in cheek? How would a newcomer to this thread interpret your statement? From my experience it cannot be done with Kero /air mixture. Maybe Kero / pure oxygen?, don't know, I'm not a chemist or metallurgist, just a guy with common sense and some firsthand experience.

Dear ION.

My apologies, I was being very, very sarcastic.  :)

I have a friend in the Midlands ( UK ) who uses Kerosene and air for his Brass foundry that can be coaxed up to the temperature of molten Copper,  1084 deg C or 1981.4 deg F.  And when I sat coaxed I mean coaxed !! The furnace can be running flat out for nearly an hour. Oh and this furnace has a suitable Refractory lining to prevent heat loss. 

To me and I think many others the statement that burning aviation fuel could have been the cause of the molten Steel was absolutely laughable !! I must temper this statement with the fact that the destruction was NO laughing matter.

I have watched the videos giantkiller was referring to, where the vertical Steel column literally blew away on the wind. It set me thinking to just what sort of energy weapon could have been used to completely destabilise both Steel and Concrete. I am of course referring to the massive amounts of choking white dust that was spread over the area.

I hope eventually the truth, will out??

Cheers Grum.


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Grum, no problem, I was hoping newcomers viewing the thread would not get the wrong idea.

Regarding the schism between the "dustification DEW camp" and the "nano thermite" camp, I don't see why there should be a war between these two camps, as it is possible to allow for each. It should all be treated as just evidence of something bizarre. Either or both might have been used.

Maybe "divide and conquer" is at work by those who would "poison the well".


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What  caused 9-11 devastation?

An older article - some links have expired.

Henry Makow's article.

Yes, it's very likely that various technologies and devices
were used in the towers.  Well organized and executed
plans always utilize diversity in order to assure success.
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Les Visible - 27 February 2020
   
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Christopher Bollyn nails it!

Yes, very much to the point.  Left out of this is one thing I would like people to consider:

This kind of non-human behavior towards other humans, may not actually manifest from human origins.  We all know about Occam's Razor and in this case it would appear a very straightforward and logical conclusion can be made.  For me though, there is a tiny voice in the back of my head saying, "Don't be so quick to decide.  Taking the road less travelled might led you to the truth."  Call me crazy, but I have a hunch this is more complex than it would appear.  What some of us perceive as pure evil probably has the power to induce living creatures into this sort of behavior.  Where this source comes from...?  I have no idea.  I do believe we should be aware of its existence and understand the power it has over life and death.  At one level we may think we have determined means, motive and opportunity, but consider that there may be a higher level/power present that also benefits.  All I ask is don't get caught playing the game when what you set out to accomplish is understanding the game.
   

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Let us talk about asbestos insulation. The towers were due for a revamp. But oh the cost. Gee, I know. Let's incite terrorism. Yep that'l hide the cover up real clean like.
Oh, and the landlord got paid the insurance claim.


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Some interesting history:

Col. L. Fletcher Prouty reveals what he knows about the people behind the assassination of President John. F. Kennedy.

http://www.prouty.org/

Gen. Albert "Bert" Newton Stubblebine III reveals what he believes about 911 and the NWO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMhmxVtzKL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Uc9Fmt9hc

Dr. Alan Sabrosky discusses 911:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT1AzrKuEtM

Ex U.S. Marine Ken O'Keefe gives his opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNnMvhIThJA

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Good stuff EvolvingApe.

In a sense 9-11 was the beginning of the end.
America has been fully Trance-Formed into an
instrument of the New World Order whose strings
are being pulled by a certain Middle East Rogue State.

The so-called War on Terror has been used to justify
all sorts of activities whose goal is to increase chaos
in the world.

The truth about ISIS/ISIL/IL.

9-11 was an initial phase of the PLAN.
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What is presently taking place in The Ukraine is
further development of The PLAN following the
stimulus of 9-11.

The name "War on Terror" is a psychological ploy to
mask its true intent.  Terror is being utilized to increase
world chaos with a secondary goal of decreasing the
world's population by a large percentage.

Biological and Chemical Warfare are principal components
of the effort.  Geo-Engineering has additionally made
the weather itself into a weapon to be used against the
people.

The New World Order is being implemented with massive
Deception, Corruption and Brutality with an Iron Fist;
precisely as the prophets had written in The Book.


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General Wesley Clark tells of how Middle East destabilization was planned as far back as 1991:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw

US general reveals plans for Air Force expansion in Asia:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/02/asia-a02.html

Syria crisis: Cameron loses Commons vote on Syria action:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783

Unannounced Israel-U.S. missile test fuels jitters over Syria:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/03/us-syria-crisis-russia-defence-idUSBRE9820AC20130903

Leaked YouTube Tape: Turkey Plotting Pretext for War With Syria?:

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2014/03/31/leaked-youtube-tape-turkey-plotting-pretext-war-syria

Obama opened the door to ISIS and is architect of chaos in Iraq, Syria and Libya:

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/obama-opened-the-door-to-isis-and-is-architect-of-the-chaos-in-iraq-syria-and-libya#.U_EXjGPoSR8

NATO’s Terror Hordes in Iraq a Pretext for Syria Invasion:

http://nsnbc.me/2014/06/13/natos-terror-hordes-iraq-pretext-syria-invasion/

The Lavon Affair: How a false-flag operation led to war and the Israeli bomb:

http://thebulletin.org/2013/julyaugust/lavon-affair-how-false-flag-operation-led-war-and-israeli-bomb

Kurdish fighters reclaim Iraq's largest dam from Islamic State with support from US airstrikes in their biggest victory since the Islamist group began its offensive:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727335/Kurdish-fighters-Iraqs-largest-dam-Jihadists-support-US-airstrikes-Recapture-biggest-prize-Islamist-State-started-offensive.html

Exodus of the Yazidis: Refugee crisis steps up with thousands fleeing into Syria as Obama arms Kurdish forces against ISIS:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2721686/Now-U-S-sending-weapons-Kurdish-forces-Obama-steps-offensive-against-ISIS.html

Obama welcomes new Iraqi leaders as 'step forward':

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2721678/Obama-welcomes-new-Iraqi-leaders-step-forward.html

'All of us were thunderstruck': Missouri Governor Jay Nixon disturbed by 'over-militarization' of police in Ferguson as city gears up for second night of state-imposed curfew after man was shot last night:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727319/All-thunderstruck-Missouri-Governor-Jay-Nixon-disturbed-militarization-police-Ferguson.html

Islamic extremists will come to Britain if nothing is done to stop them, says David Cameron as Church of England slams Prime Minister's 'incoherent' Middle East policy:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726956/Islamic-extremists-come-Britain-stop-says-David-Cameron-Church-England-slams-Prime-Minister-s-incoherent-Middle-East-policy.html
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An update to my previous post:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727686/David-Cameron-says-We-HAVE-fight-Islamic-State-jihadis-face-mayhem-streets.html

We have to fight 'monstrous' ISIS terrorists or face 'mayhem on our own streets', warns Cameron... as he reveals he is going on holiday AGAIN in the 'next few days'

I briefly skimmed this story when it was first published this morning and was quite shocked by the blatant threat in the headline, I thought to myself.. they are really getting desperate!. When I came back to read it this evening the headline had changed slightly and I think there was no mention of Cameron going on holiday again in the original article, it was an entirely separate article altogether, that has now disappeared. It seems they have rolled two story's into one to soften and distract from the threat that was originally posted.

If I remember correctly the original headline was:

"We HAVE to fight 'monstrous' ISIS terrorists or face 'mayhem on our own streets', warns Cameron..."

Notice how the word "HAVE" is capitalised in the address hyperlink:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727686/David-Cameron-says-We-HAVE-fight-Islamic-State-jihadis-face-mayhem-streets.html

They have slipped up and forgot to remove the evidence that shows the original headline in the address bar.. oops..

Check out the comments to that article, some people are starting to understand and see the big picture..

P.S. I have just realised this page has been edited again:

Published 09:44
1st edit 15:38
2nd edit 18:38

They changed it again while I was writing this post.. the new headline on 18:38 edit:

We have to fight ISIS or face 'mayhem on our streets', warns Cameron... as he defends going on holiday AGAIN because he's always 'within a few feet of a BlackBerry'

"within a few feet of a BlackBerry" line featured prominently in the now disappeared stand alone article about Dave's next holiday.. further proof they have rolled the two articles into one..

Now ask yourself why all this has happened to this article today ?


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How "convenient" to those in power that there is a
steady supply of new and ever more ferocious "enemies"
which must be dealt with.

Funny how each of these enemies today is the creation of
U.S./U.K./Israeli/NATO Special Forces.  Enemies who are
trained to be exceedingly brutal in their killings of vast
numbers of innocent victims.

A repeating pattern which has been used in the French
Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Spanish Revolution,
the Pol Pot Revolution, and all that has transpired since to
our present day with Al Qaeda and now ISIS/ISIL/IL.

Nothing is left to chance...
 


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Yes, I agree.. very 'convenient' indeed..

When we look at recent 'history' we learn that Al Qaeda was created by the CIA in the 70's to oppose the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 70's, they funded, armed and trained them. The heroin trade has done very well out of it all..

Later we see the removal of Saddam in Iraq, the CIA's man in the middle east who they put in power with a coup. Failed attempts to demonise Iran, the move on Libya using Al Qaeda as 'boots on the ground' supported by NATO C&C and air strikes.. these same rebels were well armed by the West, and even better armed after acquiring Gaddafi's weapons armoury..

These same 'rebels' now 're-branded' as ISIS and moving into southern Iraq and Syria, 'capturing' hi tech weapons from the New Iraqi Army which fled, the weapons supplied by the Americans of course at tax payer's expense.. very convenient.

The coup in Ukraine designed to create a WW3 pretext has failed, Putin outmaneuvered them at every turn. Putin of course knows that the 'aware' people in the west are watching our leaders with disgust as they wage state sponsored terrorism covertly on the East, while rapidly expanding the police state in the West.. he is no fool. The demonisation of Putin by the Western media has been laughable!

The Petro $ is a dead man walking, usury has had it's day, those involved in these terrible crime's against humanity are shitting bricks right now.. their only option when it all becomes unsustainable is to destroy the electrical grid globally via EMP attack and use continuity of government plans to escape the consequences.. afterwards they can spin whatever story they want..


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They better make darn sure I don't survive it then, because if I get my hands on them, they'll learn firsthand a whole new chapter of brutal and ruthless.
   

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Some info on EMP's in the MSM and alternative media:

I tend to wonder if the EMP will actually be a CME instead.

Of course now we have Ebola to watch out for:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08151401/Ebola_Liberia_Death_Spiral.html
   

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I tend to wonder if the EMP will actually be a CME instead.

Of course now we have Ebola to watch out for:
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/08151401/Ebola_Liberia_Death_Spiral.html

EBOLA, man made or not?

There are a lot of questions and no answers, it is getting out of hand. We had AIDS and still have got it all over the world, EBOLA has a 95% fatality rate and no cure at the moment.

I wonder how long it will be before it is world wide? very frightening, is this another weapon gone wrong? or maybe not!!! I did hear a political person, also very rich, say that we need to reduce the world population down by at least 50%!!!!!!!!

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Not looking good for the Ukraine 'government' and by extension the USA:

CIA Director John Brennan Visits Ukraine Amid Crisis

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/14/john-brennan-ukraine_n_5147869.html

Brennan was in the Ukraine about 3 months or so before MH17 was shot down, quite possibly overseeing the coup of a democratically elected government and planning the MH17 false flag attack designed to bring Russia into WW3. Who knows ?

Ukrainian air-traffic control sent doomed flight MH17 over the conflict zone in Donetsk region, says Russia

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728660/Ukrainian-air-traffic-control-sent-doomed-flight-MH17-conflict-zone-Donetsk-region-says-Russia.html

Lord West of Spithead seems aware of what is going on:

Ex-Navy chief warns ministers of dangers of 'mission creep': Former First Sea Lord calls for any attack on jihadists to be fully thought through

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728384/Ex-Navy-chief-warns-ministers-dangers-mission-creep-Former-First-Sea-Lord-calls-attack-jihadists-fully-thought-through.html#comments



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Hi All,

William Cooper talked about 9/11 false flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U

Tom
   

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This story is dropping out of the media very fast:

I fear our panic stricken politicians are leading us into another bloody shambles in Iraq, says GENERAL SIR MICHAEL ROSE

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2729438/I-fear-panic-stricken-politicians-leading-bloody-shambles-Iraq-GENERAL-SIR-MICHAEL-ROSE.html


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Council On Foreign Relations: The Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s – Not Putin’s – Fault

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/council-foreign-relations-ukraine-crisis-wests-putins-fault.html

American Intelligence Officers Who Battled the Soviet Union for Decades Slam the Flimsy “Intelligence” Against Russia


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/obama-release-ukraine-evidence.html

The propaganda coup in Ukraine failed to kick off the war they badly need, hence the rapid pivot to ISIS and the media programming to invade Syria, who are protected by Russia and to a lesser extent China.

Did you note the mention of a steering group ?


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