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EMP Attack On Power Grid Could Kill 9-In-10

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/050914-700375-electric-grid-vulnerable-to-emp-attack.htm

Vulnerability: Expert testimony before Congress on Thursday warned that an electromagnetic pulse attack on our power grid and electronic infrastructure could leave most Americans dead and the U.S. in another century.

That dire warning came from Peter Vincent Pry, a member of the Congressional EMP Commission and executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security.

He testified in front of the House Homeland Security Committee's Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Infrastructure Protection and Security Technologies that an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) event could wipe out 90% of America's population.

Most people's eyes might glaze over upon mention of the committee name, the title of the hearing — "Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP): Threat to Critical Infrastructure" — and the general subject of EMP. But it is a real threat and not the stuff of science fiction.

Some attention has been paid to the potential cataclysmic effects of a natural phenomenon such as a massive solar storm, an event that has occurred in America's horse-and-buggy era when it did not matter.

Today an electromagnetic pulse event would be devastating. It wouldn't need a solar storm, just a solitary nuke detonated in the atmosphere above the American heartland. We would envy the horse-and-buggy era.

"Natural EMP from a geomagnetic superstorm, like the 1859 Carrington Event or 1921 Railroad Storm, and nuclear EMP attack from terrorists or rogue states, as practiced by North Korea during the nuclear crisis of 2013, are both existential threats that could kill 9-of-10 Americans through starvation, disease and societal collapse," the Washington Free Beacon quoted Pry as saying.

As we reported early last year, Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst, believes that North Korea's recent seemingly low-yield nuclear tests and launch of a low-orbit satellite may in fact be preparations for a future electromagnetic pulse attack.

A copy of a report prepared by the Department of Homeland Security for the Defense Department, obtained by Pry from sources within DHS, finds North Korea could use its Unha-3 space launch vehicle to deliver a nuclear warhead as a satellite over the South Pole to attack America from the south.

As the Heritage Foundation has reported, an EMP attack with a warhead detonated 25 to 300 miles above the U.S. mainland "would fundamentally change the world:"

"Airplanes would fall from the sky; most cars would be inoperable; electrical devices would fail. Water, sewer and electrical networks would fail simultaneously. Systems of banking, energy, transportation, food production and delivery, water, emergency services and even cyberspace would collapse."

The electrical  grid could be hardened for less than we spend on foreign aid every year.. why is it not being done ?

Your Achilles heel must remain exposed and unprotected for a quick kill, is the reason.


http://www.infowars.com/what-are-you-going-to-do-when-a-massive-emp-blast-fries-the-u-s-electrical-grid/

So what is the federal government doing to protect us against such a horrific disaster?

Absolutely nothing.

In fact, according to a recent WND article, ex-CIA Director Michael Hayden says that the Obama administration has no plans to defend us against an EMP blast…

    Contrary to the findings of a 2008 commission mandated by Congress to consider a defense against an electromagnetic pulse attack and its effects on the national grid, a retired Air Force general who also headed the National Security Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency says that there isn’t a solution to an EMP attack.

    Speaking before the Bipartisan Policy Center at a conference on the threats to the U.S. electrical grid, Michael Hayden also said the Obama administration has no plan to defend against an EMP.

In fact, Hayden says that “there really aren’t any solutions” to this problem…

    “I don’t mean to be so flippant, but there really aren’t any solutions to this, so I would just leave it at that,” Hayden said.

Of course that is a complete and total lie.  It would take less than a billion dollars to protect the largest transformers in our electrical grid.  But the Obama administration refuses to do it.

Since the Obama administration is doing nothing, some state government officials are now considering taking action…

    At the National Council of State Legislatures last week in Atlanta, a number of lawmakers said they’re preparing legislation similar to a bill introduced in Maine recently did under the leadership of Rep. Andrea Boland.

    Efforts are under way to press the membership of the NCSL to address the EMP issue, since the federal government has failed to take action to mitigate the potential for a catastrophic event, whether natural or man-made. An EMP event could knock out the U.S. electrical grid system and the critical infrastructures that rely on it.

    Along with the national electrical grid, other critical infrastructures include telecommunications, banking and financial transactions, oil and natural gas pipelines, transportation, food and water delivery, emergency services and space systems.

    In short, an EMP event could cause the collapse of society.


http://www.livescience.com/32320-how-long-can-a-person-survive-without-water.html

If you're ever stuck out in the wilderness, remember what survival experts call 'the Rule of Threes'.

You can live 3 minutes without air, though we don't recommend trying. In a harsh environment — it's snowing, say — you have 3 hours to survive without shelter. After 3 days, you need water or you'll perish. You can make it 3 weeks without food, though we promise you that won't be fun.

Despite this possibly helpful rule, some people have survived 8 to 10 days without water. Again, leave such shenanigans to the truly desperate.




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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737724/Terror-attack-UK-highly-likely-warns-Home-Secretary-Theresa-May-threat-level-raised-severe.html#comments

The rhetoric in the UK has reached fever pitch, an attack is now 'highly likely' according to the Prime Minister, which means it is coming and soon.

After Hungerford and Dunblane the UK elders gave up their right to own and bear arms in defence of the self and the realm, with barely a whimper of protest. A disgrace that will echo through eternity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms

The right to keep and bear arms (often referred to as the right to bear arms or to have arms) is the people's right to have their own arms for their defense as described in the philosophical and political writings of Aristotle, Cicero, John Locke, Machiavelli, the English Whigs and others. In countries with an English common law tradition, a long standing common law right to keep and bear arms has long been recognized, as pre-existing in common law, prior even to the existence of written national constitutions. In the United States, the right to keep and bear arms is also an enumerated right specifically protected by the U.S. Constitution and many state constitutions such that people have a personal right to own arms for individual use, and a right to bear these same arms both for personal protection and for use in a militia.

http://concealednation.org/2014/08/chicago-crime-rates-drop-across-the-board-since-allowing-concealed-carry/

In the UK we have been effectively disarmed, only agents of the government and criminals have access to firearms. When the axe comes down most will perish, unable to exercise their right to self defence and defence of the realm, due to legislation imposed in the horrific aftermath of two mass shootings, events about which many questions remain.

Prepare as best you can because time is not on your side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts


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Doesn't anyone think it's odd that things are playing out very close to the interpretation of the "Nostradamus" "writings". The ISIS guy a few weeks back said they would expand into Europe, Nostradamus supposed predicted the Islamic invasion of Europe. Now even the media is reporting that some western folks believe if something isn't done then they will do just that. Nostradamus supposedly predicted WW3 would include an invasion of Europe by Islamic forces who would then use Nukes captured to wreak havoc. Also that the two main Superpowers would join forces to defeat the Islamic forces.

It's almost as if through history these things are engineered to happen in similar ways even before the time of Nostradamus. The Persians and the Greeks ect. The crusades and whatever else. seems like a pattern to me.

The way things are happening seems very odd and engineered. Also kinda Biblical. One thing is for sure, Evil is spreading like wild fire.

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Crap they just said that Ukraine is at war with Russia on the BBC news, and because Ukraine is part of Europe then Europe is in effect at war with Russia  :o


   

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The way things are happening seems very odd and engineered. Also kinda Biblical. One thing is for sure, Evil is spreading like wild fire.

Albert Pike predicted the coming war
in the name of
FreeMasonry.  Manly P. Hall, another great player for
the PLAN did his part too.

It has been their job to make it happen.

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Crap they just said that Ukraine is at war with Russia on the BBC news, and because Ukraine is part of Europe then Europe is in effect at war with Russia   :o

That is perzactly what the U.S. and The West have been itchin'
for.  Russia, for its part, is not crazy with bloodlust as are the
Israeli-American NeoCons who are calling the shots in The Ukraine.

It would be nice to see Russia re-claim its territories which were
illegally placed into The Ukraine about 60 years ago and to afford
protection for the Russian People who live there.

I dunno how Obongo is gonna lie his way out of this fiasco.
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The way things are happening seems very odd and engineered. Also kinda Biblical. One thing is for sure, Evil is spreading like wild fire.

Subversion by Islam, the AntiChrist.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&list=PL9E2A00040F0C98C4&index=12[/youtube]


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Unfortunately, Dr. Bill is not up to speed on the
operations of Babylon the Great to infiltrate and
destroy Islam, Christendom, Buddhism and all
other religions save Judah-ism.

It appears that Dr. Bill is comfortable with the
possibility that Islam really did 9-11 and seems not
to be aware of the true perpetrators who false-flagged
Islam.

Today, many so-called Islam nations are actually ruled
by Zionist Crypto-Jews whose families long ago infiltrated
the nations in order to work their way into positions of power
as "native sons."

Easier targets for them were the so-called "christian" nations of
europe and america.  Virtually every european nation is ruled by
a Crypto-Jew.  Their control of the Central Banks for centuries
worldwide has made their take-overs exceedingly easy.


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Crap they just said that Ukraine is at war with Russia on the BBC news, and because Ukraine is part of Europe then Europe is in effect at war with Russia  :o




Everyone sanctions Russia, yet there are no sanctions against Israel for destroying Gaza
   

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Subversion by Islam, the AntiChrist.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&list=PL9E2A00040F0C98C4&index=12[/youtube]


The truth is becoming evident by the brutality of the Jihadists, they speak for themselves by their actions.

The propaganda is also becoming evident itself now.

Here is a Brit saying what I would like to say to most of you, but he says it much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7tsVvEoY


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The truth is becoming evident by the brutality of the Jihadists, they speak for themselves by their actions.

The propaganda is also becoming evident itself now.

Here is a Brit saying what I would like to say to most of you, but he says it much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIq7tsVvEoY

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IT’S GOING TO BE  a long, cold winter for DC’s puppet regime in Ukraine. And Putin can sit back and watch the snow fly.

With winter approaching and the Novorossiyans winning in East Ukraine, the stooges who run Ukraine’s dysfunctional government are in a panic attempting to bring Europe into “full scale war” with Russia.

And the Jew-ruled idiots who are leading Europe into ruin, namely Merkel, Hollande, Cameron, and Tusk are touting the Jewish script: More sanctions. More Nato troops on Russia’s western border.

It’s right out of the playbook of the Jew-run US Treasury and Jew-ridden US State Department where Christ-hating Jews: Jacob Lew, David Cohen, Victoria Nuland, (born Nudelman), and Robert Kagan find life not worth living unless they make life miserable for Christian Russia.
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Comments down the page very interesting!

As an insider Bro. Nat. understands what is going on with a
clarity not to be found in media propaganda.

Regarding the "Muslim Extremists" or "Jihadists;" they're a
creation of The West and are well paid for the mayhem
and brutal terror they've unleashed in the Middle East.
It is all according to the PLAN for Greater Israel.
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I have a prediction. I predict that by 2020 the "AXIS of Underhandedness", [i'll use initials] =The W.B., The U.N., The I.M.F., The Central Bankers, The Elitist Families that own most of the money, The Western War Criminal countries offending heads of State, and all those who have actively supported and helped or "facilitated", most all of the Evil, Murder mayhem and Terror will be facing very tough times. Far too many young people understand that everything is a farce in the international diplomacy game and in the banking and issuance of currency fraud. I think by 2020 things will be so bad for most that the system will self destruct, (with help). It looks like War will intensify for a few years yet and that will mean things will be quite bad. Bad enough already.

To hope for long term peace with all the psychopaths in the world today is just a fantasy. Unfortunately society and a lust for "more than other have" has desensitized a lot of people in the west almost to the point of psychopathy unwittingly. Where is the Love ?  :(

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Far too many young people understand that everything is a farce in the international diplomacy game and in the banking and issuance of currency fraud.

That is really good sign if it turns out to be true.  Maybe I'm not the only parent that is talking to their kids and explaining how the world really works.

I do know if this next generation doesn't get it right, it will be game, set, match.
   
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I have a prediction. I predict that by 2020 the "AXIS of Underhandedness", [i'll use initials] =The W.B., The U.N., The I.M.F., The Central Bankers, The Elitist Families that own most of the money, The Western War Criminal countries offending heads of State, and all those who have actively supported and helped or "facilitated", most all of the Evil, Murder mayhem and Terror will be facing very tough times. Far too many young people understand that everything is a farce in the international diplomacy game and in the banking and issuance of currency fraud. I think by 2020 things will be so bad for most that the system will self destruct, (with help). It looks like War will intensify for a few years yet and that will mean things will be quite bad. Bad enough already.

To hope for long term peace with all the psychopaths in the world today is just a fantasy. Unfortunately society and a lust for "more than other have" has desensitized a lot of people in the west almost to the point of psychopathy unwittingly. Where is the Love ?  :(
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Hi X,

Your last almost silly question: Where is the LOVE?

The problem with the most similar people: The know how they want to be respected, only not in giving, mirror mirror!

Example: We are still waiting for your promised Lawyer invitation / intimidation from OU.com, don't pee in public on other people like Hope-Girl, Lindemann or Bedini.

But GO to your own government like we did do, demonstrate your solutions, with the results you can or could predict in front!

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I make heap big claim here:
This will be the last Easter.
Chaos in all realms of activity is progressing at a mean clip. Asteroid storms in our orbit. Cracks and holes appearing all around the planet, Radiation at devastating levels, large numbers of colony collapses in animal kingdom, border abandonment and crashing in all countries, geophysical anomalies(Yes Yellowstone park is closed due to a soupy landscape), Politicians spouting uselessly, barbarianism rampart across the whole planet, financial markets a total sham, well to do societies have succumb to self medicating(did ya see the game this weekend?), starving societies growing enmasse beyond support levels, women and children being abused and or annihilated planet wide, orangutangs being used as prostitutes and porn stars(dont laugh), cities crumbling in utter despair all the while the world leaders are letting us eat cake.
For it has been written...


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Web Page Here.
Comments down the page very interesting!

As an insider Bro. Nat. understands what is going on with a
clarity not to be found in media propaganda.

Regarding the "Muslim Extremists" or "Jihadists;" they're a
creation of The West and are well paid for the mayhem
and brutal terror they've unleashed in the Middle East.
It is all according to the PLAN for Greater Israel.


Is this not blatant enough for everyone to see the propaganda.  This is absolute rubbish, Muslims never stand up and take credit for the atrocities they commit.  The blame is put on everything and everyone except Islam.  If they are so ashamed of the things they do then why don't they quit and end Islam, but no just blame someone else, anyone else especially the "Great Satan" America.  How about you Muslims become men and start standing up for what you do, all the brutality, barbarity, murder, rapes all the general mayhem you cause in this world and then you blame it on someone or something else, your far less then men in my book.


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Hi X,

Your last almost silly question: Where is the LOVE?

The problem with the most similar people: The know how they want to be respected, only not in giving, mirror mirror!

Example: We are still waiting for your promised Lawyer invitation / intimidation from OU.com, don't pee in public on other people like Hope-Girl, Lindemann or ######.

But GO to your own government like we did do, demonstrate your solutions, with the results you can or could predict in front!

Regards, Johan

Show me where I "promised Lawyer / intimidation from OU,com" !  If you cannot show it then retract the statement or be a liar for all to see.

I can bad mouth any scammer I want and they can do nothing about it if it is truth.  ;D It's only Libel if it's not true.  ;)


I can make whatever predictions I want, and have no reason or want to justify any prediction I make to you or anyone else.

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P.S. I'm not "X" either.  :P And I have no intention of appealing to a morally corrupted and lying government or presenting anything to them. That would be pointless.
And I don;t think they would like my solutions when those solutions involve them being jailed or otherwise punished for their crimes. Like asking an executioner to put his own head on the block.  ;D

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Here's a video that I think ties a lot of the "facts" of the (Libya-Syria-ISIS) situation together. The actual facts should be put to an international court ( a real one).

The Covert Origins of ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

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Here's a video that I think ties a lot of the "facts" of the (Libya-Syria-ISIS) situation together. The actual facts should be put to an international court ( a real one).

The Covert Origins of ISIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

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No one is saying that our dumb ass governments didn't arm these idiots, but what they DO is PURE ISLAM.  The be headings, lining people up at the edge of holes and machine gunning them and then burying them, some alive, the ethnic cleansing, the murder and torture of Christians, Jews, Buddhists basically anyone who is not Muslim. The forced conversions to Islam, the looting, robing, raping, destruction of people, cities, heritage sites, churches, synagogues and I could keep on going.  This is all Islam, but most of you do not want to look at the Ideology that is driving all this, you would rather believe the propaganda coming from Islam, which is all over the world now. They are turning us against each other with it (divide and conquer), they have infiltrated all of our institutions, government, military, school systems, all major media, they are the new world order people and they plan on Islam running it all.  They have everyone blaming America for all their BS, but they control America with their Muslim president, their Muslim president is the one who did all the arming of them, don't you see how they have everything all turned around, they have everyone blaming the wrong people.  All the blame is squarely on the shoulders of Islam and anyone who says anything else is a liar and a pimp for Islam.


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America has a long history of employing terrorism and
genocide when it seems convenient.

Philippine American War


Philippine-American War photos

Philippine-American War genocide, torture

America has descended far down into the pit:

Peace = War

Police State

People are getting Stupider

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No one is saying that our dumb ass governments didn't arm these idiots, but what they DO is PURE ISLAM.  The be headings, lining people up at the edge of holes and machine gunning them and then burying them, some alive, the ethnic cleansing, the murder and torture of Christians, Jews, Buddhists basically anyone who is not Muslim. The forced conversions to Islam, the looting, robing, raping, destruction of people, cities, heritage sites, churches, synagogues and I could keep on going.  This is all Islam, but most of you do not want to look at the Ideology that is driving all this, you would rather believe the propaganda coming from Islam, which is all over the world now. They are turning us against each other with it (divide and conquer), they have infiltrated all of our institutions, government, military, school systems, all major media, they are the new world order people and they plan on Islam running it all.  They have everyone blaming America for all their BS, but they control America with their Muslim president, their Muslim president is the one who did all the arming of them, don't you see how they have everything all turned around, they have everyone blaming the wrong people.  All the blame is squarely on the shoulders of Islam and anyone who says anything else is a liar and a pimp for Islam.

You need to understand that I'm not blaming America or Australia which is where I live or any country for any actions of any Islamic extremists.

What I am doing is simply pointing out that certain western governments have supplied and armed these "people/animals" and condoned their actions with one face and then when things go sour they deny and or spend more money taking action against the people they supply and arm, as well they then try to paint Russia as being evil when Russia is only doing similar or less criminal things, I'm not saying that Russia is all good and correct either.

I am against our tax dollars being used to fund any other fighters or wars or insurgencies anywhere. We should not have supplied anyone with weapons of war. It is OK to sell Arms to Valid countries with regular armies, because we can make treaties and pacts with them for just one reason. And be paid a fair price for the hardware for a second reason. Making weapons and handing them out for free seems a bit reckless to me/if not highly criminal and immoral.

If we had not Armed and supplied these scumbags then Libya would not have fallen to them and that country would still be thriving, Assad would have crushed them in no time if the terrorists had not been supplied advanced Arms by certain Western countries.

To put it bluntly, if in general domestic cases of crime any active associates are guilty of the same crimes as the actual perpetrator by association, that is a valid concept and should apply to those who took the actions to facilitate the illegal and immoral Arming of known terrorist groups or affiliates. And I mean the actual individuals/government or government parties, not the countries.

We as the people have lost control of our governments and cannot change the status quo by the current election process as it is stacked full of the same ilk of men and corrupted by political bribery, which is open for all to see.

Federal police are tasked with the protection of the politicians here, so we can;t expect them to arrest any criminal politicians. What I think would need to happen is the "state police" in a given state would need to announce that they have evidence enough to arrest, charge and put to trial any particular federal politician, and will arrest and charge the person should that individual be found within the state borders.

The evidence is there, all that is needed is the police with the know how about the law and the position (commissioner) to gather the evidence and make the arrest orders.

Seems a crazy concept to prosecute criminals for their actions ? Not in my opinion.

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P.S. I want to make one thing clear about my stance, I do not condone violence in politics, things should be done by the law and with high moral standards. I want peace for everyone but I realize some people like to fight, I say leave them to it and stay out of it unless they come HERE and start trouble.

I am Australian and I will defend Australia to my last breath I will also defend my friends if i can, but I have no desire to go overseas and interfere in others affairs, if I did that I would deserve everything I got for it. Which is how it should be if the tables were turned about.

I do not appreciate my government indirectly involving me in all this BS over seas, I've never left Australia and never intend to leave. But I must face the terrorists as well.
They might blow up a train I'm on or whatever, I'm not scared, but I have family too. I'm just- Not happy about it all.  >:( It stinks and the smell is on us as well.
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You need to understand that I'm not blaming America or Australia which is where I live or any country for any actions of any Islamic extremists.

What I am doing is simply pointing out that certain western governments have supplied and armed these "people/animals" and condoned their actions with one face and then when things go sour they deny and or spend more money taking action against the people they supply and arm, as well they then try to paint Russia as being evil when Russia is only doing similar or less criminal things, I'm not saying that Russia is all good and correct either.

I am against our tax dollars being used to fund any other fighters or wars or insurgencies anywhere. We should not have supplied anyone with weapons of war. It is OK to sell Arms to Valid countries with regular armies, because we can make treaties and pacts with them for just one reason. And be paid a fair price for the hardware for a second reason. Making weapons and handing them out for free seems a bit reckless to me/if not highly criminal and immoral.

If we had not Armed and supplied these scumbags then Libya would not have fallen to them and that country would still be thriving, Assad would have crushed them in no time if the terrorists had not been supplied advanced Arms by certain Western countries.

To put it bluntly, if in general domestic cases of crime any active associates are guilty of the same crimes as the actual perpetrator by association, that is a valid concept and should apply to those who took the actions to facilitate the illegal and immoral Arming of known terrorist groups or affiliates. And I mean the actual individuals/government or government parties, not the countries.

We as the people have lost control of our governments and cannot change the status quo by the current election process as it is stacked full of the same ilk of men and corrupted by political bribery, which is open for all to see.

Federal police are tasked with the protection of the politicians here, so we can;t expect them to arrest any criminal politicians. What I think would need to happen is the "state police" in a given state would need to announce that they have evidence enough to arrest, charge and put to trial any particular federal politician, and will arrest and charge the person should that individual be found within the state borders.

The evidence is there, all that is needed is the police with the know how about the law and the position (commissioner) to gather the evidence and make the arrest orders.

Seems a crazy concept to prosecute criminals for their actions ? Not in my opinion.

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P.S. I want to make one thing clear about my stance, I do not condone violence in politics, things should be done by the law and with high moral standards. I want peace for everyone but I realize some people like to fight, I say leave them to it and stay out of it unless they come HERE and start trouble.

I am Australian and I will defend Australia to my last breath I will also defend my friends if i can, but I have no desire to go overseas and interfere in others affairs, if I did that I would deserve everything I got for it. Which is how it should be if the tables were turned about.

I do not appreciate my government indirectly involving me in all this BS over seas, I've never left Australia and never intend to leave. But I must face the terrorists as well.
They might blow up a train I'm on or whatever, I'm not scared, but I have family too. I'm just- Not happy about it all.  >:( It stinks and the smell is on us as well.
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I agree mostly, I don't like your head in the sand till they get there though, Islam isn't going to go away by itself, and I worry about my grand children's world and whats going to happen to them.  Sorry if you thought I was attacking you, I didn't know where you were coming from with that video. I thought you were backing Muppethead.


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