Kapanadze replication

[chief kolbacict]

After all my research into charge separation and the E-Field contained in the center of a toroid, I now find it interesting to look at the Rodin coil in this light. 

Pm

I had done it a few days ago. And I saw no difference from ordinary coil.
I even put this coil on the neck of the CRT instead of the deflection system.
I don't think even Marko Rodin himself has tried this. 
And I didn't see any rotation. Unlike the stators of three-phase motors.

[partzman]

I had done it a few days ago. And I saw no difference from ordinary coil.
I even put this coil on the neck of the CRT instead of the deflection system.
I don't think even Marko Rodin himself has tried this. 
And I didn't see any rotation. Unlike the stators of three-phase motors.

I'm not saying I support any claims of field rotation although there are many videos available that show spinning ball magnets in the center of Rodin coils as you well know. 

However, what I find interesting is two things.  First is the gradient of E-Field that is present in each group of windings and the angles of each E-Field in a somewhat circular fashion in the center of the toroid winding structure.  Second, if we wind just two opposing coils on a toroid core material such as ferrite with the returns crossing inside the core, we will measure ~4x the inductance of a single conventional coil wound with the same number of turns.  Why?  Because we have doubled the number of wires in the center of the core that are creating or subjected to the E-Field.  If we measure a single turn passing thru the core with this arrangement, we will measure ~1/2 the peak voltage/turn applied to the primary winding.

Pm 

[Cheappower2012]

I need my eyes checked because, all I see is a standard big toroid, wound in a standard way, with two terminals. I would think that giving that all Kapanadze devices have an AC output, the toroid is powered by an AC current, too.
Is there a kickback or does it violate action /reaction. Tariel says from the afterlife, dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit, LOL.
Now seriously its a very strange motor, it may violate some laws by itself.

[Verpies]

...all I see is a standard big toroid, wound in a standard way, with two terminals.

I see the same thing.
There are usually no magnetic fields in the bore of such toroids - power one up, stick a screwdriver in the hole and see for yourself.

[Cheappower2012]

In an ordinary wound toroid  it has no magnetic field of any consequence in the center, however if the toroid is wound like the TPU one there is a center magnetic field.
My experimenting has focused on dc fields not ac fields.Lets say that this toroid is powered by an ac current from the big box.  Let's say that the 4 taped areas on the toroid are there to hid the construction of the windings. Let's say the toroid is broken in 4 segments.
They would be like the TPU, each with an external field pointing towards the center.  The AC would cause a shifting of north/south poles maybe a rotating field.
How this would cause a steel shaft to turn I don't know yet,its very interesting and strange.
Just a theory from what I see.

[Verpies]

The AC would cause a shifting of north/south poles...

Yes, a linearly oscillating field could be generated in the bore with multiple bucking windings

...maybe a rotating field.

A rotating field generated with 2 terminals only ?  How ?
A thick shorted coil could create a phase-delayed shaded pole but I do not see one.

Anyway, normally, rotating magnetic fields need a squirrel cage type rotor to grab onto.

How this would cause a steel shaft to turn I don't know yet,...

A solid steel shaft can be spun by a rotating magnetic field using the shaft's ferromagnetic hysteresis but the effect is very weak.  Especially at low frequencies.

A solid steel shaft can also be spun by a rotating magnetic field using the eddy-currents induced in the shaft, but without the squirrel cage, for this effect to generate enough torque to overcome even the friction of the bearings, the AC frequency has to be very high and the inductance of the windings must be low because i=V/X_L.

The windings visible on that toroidal core are of the high-inductance type.  They are incapable of supporting large high-frequency currents without insanely high alternating voltages.

...its very interesting and strange.

It seems like you have identified a mystery.

[sergh]

I see the same thing.
There are usually no magnetic fields in the bore of such toroids - power one up, stick a screwdriver in the hole and see for yourself.

In size and color, this toroid is very similar to the choke from an ancient 220 V 300 watt ferroresonant voltage stabilizer, which was purchased as a kit with tube televisions during the Soviet era.

Early-generation televisions used power supplies with linear voltage stabilizers (and some television circuits, such as the anode voltage and filament circuits of vacuum tubes, were fed with unregulated voltage). This, due to daily fluctuations and sudden surges in line voltage, especially in rural areas, led to deterioration in image quality and required preliminary stabilization of the alternating line voltage.

In these stabilizers, the windings were wound with 0.7 mm aluminum wire coated with light yellow varnish, so they looked like copper wire.
I was very disappointed as a child when I took one of these apart.
In the USSR, they often saved on household appliances, just like in China now.

In Kapanadze's video, the guy with the multimeter, wearing a plaid shirt—likely Kapanadze's opponent, a pessimistic electrician from the plant—measures the voltage on this toroid during operation and detects nothing.

But he's an electrician, and there might be voltage there, albeit small, faintly registered by his voltmeter.
According to my research, this toroid could have been used as a rotation sensor, inducing a small EMF due to the uneven magnetization of the rotating shaft. Probably millivolts, which were then amplified, for example, by an operational amplifier or comparator, and fed to the control system of Kapanadze's device.

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[Verpies]

In size and color, this toroid is very similar to the choke from an ancient 220 V 300 watt ferroresonant voltage stabilizer...

Note that these stabilizer chokes were wound with 1 continuous wire, but the Kapanadze toroidal core is wound with two separate wires - perhaps two bucking windings connected in parallel. 
Bucking windings cause the magnetic flux to exit the core but they cannot create rotating fields alone with 2 terminals only.

P.S.
Two separate wires naturally have 4 ends (which are very visible in the 2^nd video and slightly in the 1^st video ), but they are connected to only 2 external terminals (most likely in parallel).

[sergh]

You'll be surprised, but in a Soviet stabilizer with such a toroid, the coils are wound with two wires. 
Take a close look at the photo of the internal structure of this stabilizer from the previous post:








Link to site about this Soviet stabilizer:
https://pretich-ru.translate.goog/articles.php?article_id=421&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en


By the way, in the frame from Kapanadze's video, you can see the true white color of the aluminum near the terminal block.
This isn't tinned copper; it's aluminum wire with the yellow varnish insulation removed.

Even the white insulation tubes are similar in diameter and color to those in the stabilizer photo.

This is my opinion, of course, not 100%, but the fact that the electrician couldn't measure any visible voltage on this toroid suggests that the toroid isn't a power element.

[Verpies]

This isn't tinned copper; it's aluminum wire with the yellow varnish insulation removed.

Why couldn't they be two copper wires twisted and soldered together ?

Even the white insulation tubes are similar in diameter and color to those in the stabilizer photo.

Their number is different.

This is my opinion, of course, not 100%, but the fact that the electrician couldn't measure any visible voltage on this toroid suggests that the toroid isn't a power element.

So what's turning the shaft ?

[sergh]

Why couldn't they be two copper wires twisted and soldered together ?

Because they didn't want to waste copper wire for such a household voltage stabilizer.


For the number of wires, see the diagram of this ancient stabilizer. This toroidal choke is marked on the diagram as part "2.":

So what's turning the shaft ?

The shaft is likely rotated by hydraulic motors mounted on the shaft as thrust bearings. These are two hydraulic drives, located at the ends near the flywheels. A diagram of this generator, drawn by Tariel Kapanadze, with two hydraulic drives, is available online.

Through-type hydraulic motors for shaft mounting.
For example, Hydraulic rotator RPG-2000

I couldn't find any that specifically matched this similar dimensions. Probably some special ones from aircraft or used in machine tools.

https://rusautomash.ru/product/gidrovrashchatel-rpg-2500/rusautomash.ruproductgidrovrashchatel-rpg-2500

Tariel: Yes, in Georgian, with German subtitles.
Denis: I think they'll be streaming it in German over there. Let's see.
Gia: Well, the journalist asks questions in German, and a translator interprets.
Denis: If needed, Vazha can translate for me.
Tariel: Absolutely. Besides, there's nothing complex to translate. The generator is
visible. There's a hydraulic pump and a hydraulic motor that turns the generator. There's
a small electronic part; you start it with a 9v battery. It simply amplifies the power
because we had to make the motor work with a hydraulic pump and it produces a
kilowatt of power. A kilowatt motor is in place and that's how it turns the hydraulic pump.
Nowadays, getting a kilowatt is quite simple.
Denis: So, what role does the hydraulic pump play? I don't understand it at all.
Tariel: We are spinning the hydraulic pump.
Gia: And the hydraulic pump spins a 20 kilowatt generator.
Tariel: Does that make sense?
Denis: ok 1 Kilowatt motor...
Tariel: A huge pressure is created. There is a hydraulic pump of a different design, not a
standard one. This is also our own design. And so it's turning a 20 kilowatt generator.
Gia: Three-phase one
Tariel: a big three-phase generator...
Denis: Well, how does a one kilowatt motor spin a 20 kWt generator?
Gia: Yeah, it does.
Tariel: A motor with a power of 1 kilowatt turns like crazy... We even managed to get
like...
Gia: 1500 rpm.
Tariel: It held 1500 rpm.

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[Verpies]

Because they didn't want to waste copper wire for such a household voltage stabilizer.

That's assuming that this is a toroid from this old Soviet stabilizer.

For the number of wires, see the diagram of this ancient stabilizer.

We were talking about the number of white insulating tubes.

The shaft is likely rotated by hydraulic motors mounted on the shaft as thrust bearings.

If these pillow blocks are hydraulic motors then they are amazing as they free-wheel with little resistance for a very long time with all that hydraulic fluid in them.
BTW: British people call them "plummer blocks".

[Grumage]

Dear sergh.
Could you provide us with a photo of these hydraulic motors of which you're referring to please? ( from the video? )
My background is mechanical and electrical engineering. The sound of a hydraulic pump system running is both loud and unmistakable.

Regards Graham.

[Verpies]

Could you provide us with a photo of these hydraulic motors of which you're referring to please

I think he means this hydraulic motor.

My background is mechanical and electrical engineering. The sound of a hydraulic pump system running is both loud and unmistakable.

What is your experience with their free-wheeling resistance when not powered ?

[Grumage]

What is your experience with their free-wheeling resistance when not powered ?

Not a great deal, my experience was limited to their applications in surface grinding machines.
However you could imagine a vane type having a fairly low resistance if disconnected from the hydraulic system.

My problem with these early videos is that there's so much clutter around that virtually anything could be hidden amongst it, cables etc.
We're coming towards 20 years since his first demonstrations surely we should have discovered this secret by now?

Regards Graham.

[Verpies]

However you could imagine a vane type having a fairly low resistance if disconnected from the hydraulic system.

Would that disconnect be accomplished by a solenoid hydraulic valve ? 
If "yes", what would such valve do to the hydraulic fluid inside the hydraulic motor?  Would the fluid be removed and substituted with air or rerouted to bypass the pump  ...or else ?

[Grumage]

Would that disconnect be accomplished by a solenoid hydraulic valve ? 
If "yes", what would such valve do to the hydraulic fluid inside the hydraulic motor?  Would the fluid be removed and substituted with air or rerouted to bypass the pump  ...or else ?

Normally yes. The fluid would remain static within the pump body. Allowing air into the system would be avoided as air locks are a nightmare to eliminate.

I'm curious, are there any videos showing the alleged use of hydraulic motors or equipment available?

Regards Graham.

[Verpies]

Normally yes. The fluid would remain static within the pump body. Allowing air into the system would be avoided as air locks are a nightmare to eliminate.

So no air in the motor...
Would the hydraulic fluid remaining in the motor cause resistance during its free-wheeling ?

I'm curious, are there any videos showing the alleged use of hydraulic motors or equipment available?

Ask sergh.

[sergh]

Dear sergh.
Could you provide us with a photo of these hydraulic motors of which you're referring to please? ( from the video? )
My background is mechanical and electrical engineering. The sound of a hydraulic pump system running is both loud and unmistakable.

Regards Graham.

Hello, Graham!

Are you referring to the location in the video of Kapandze's generator where the hydraulic motor is mounted?

Watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhdKD7ABygM

- at 40:33, at the bottom of the frame, we see a thrust bearing mounted on the generator axle.

The "bearing" itself is bolted. This is not typically done. This is unusual for a bearing, but not unusual for a toroidal hydraulic motor. In such hydraulic motors, the flanges are compressed with bolts.

- Further, in the same video, on the other side of the axle, at 40:47, we see another support bearing, and it's also clear that there are bolt heads on the side.
Note the sound when acceleration is engaged, when the device actively generates torque; a metallic, ringing sound is heard. This is very similar to the sound of industrial hydraulics under load.

The mechanical system, consisting of flywheels and an antique, heavy 20 kW generator, likely had greater inertia.
Furthermore, the aircraft factory where this occurred likely used thinner aviation hydraulic oil.

My hypothesis is that some component is added to the hydraulic oil that creates a "microdieseling" effect, generating additional energy.

Thank you for interest.

[Grumage]

Dear Sergh.

I can see no evidence of the use of hydraulic motors in the video you referenced. I have captured a screenshot of the two makeshift Plummer blocks below. There's a complete absence of hydraulic lines either.

You also need to ask how at around the 32 minute mark you see lights being lit without the device running?

Regards Graham.

[Chet K]

Sorry to interrupt
However this quote from Sergh
"  creates a "microdieseling" effect
End quote
Is IMO the holy grail ( phase change/cavitation/big bang etc ?)

Seems the only realistic path to getting something mechanical to do the unusual?
CLEM or Papp or ??
Specific shapes and phase changes....through weakening "bonds" or ??

Respectfully submitted
Chet K

[Verpies]

You also need to ask how at around the 32 minute mark you see lights being lit without the device running?

This is obvious to those who understand the Georgian language.
The bulbs are lit by a battery that provides power for the "field winding" of the 20kW generator.

[sergh]

Dear Sergh.

I can see no evidence of the use of hydraulic motors in the video you referenced. I have captured a screenshot of the two makeshift Plummer blocks below. There's a complete absence of hydraulic lines either.

You also need to ask how at around the 32 minute mark you see lights being lit without the device running?

Regards Graham.

Dear Graham,

The video shows a 20 kW hydraulic generator; technically, this is a more complex and advanced device by Kapanadze.

Imagine a hydraulic motor and hydraulic pump operating in a closed hydraulic circuit. How do you make this hydraulic motor and hydraulic pump to rotate? Pull a string, like in a gas trimmer? I don't think anyone would have the strength to pull the string on this old 20 kW generator, with a shaft as thick as an arm.

If you don't spin the system consisting of the hydraulic motor, hydraulic pump, and flywheels, there will be no cavitation or "microdieseling".

When you see the lights illuminate without the large generator rotating, this is a demonstration of the starter source, similar to the starter battery in a car.

Kapanadze has a low-power generator, similar to the GreenBox generator, mounted in the lower hidden section. The low-power generator started by a small battery.

The starter generator, via an electric motor 1 kW, spins a third hydraulic pump to create the initial pressure and rotate the main system.

Read carefully the dialogue with Kapanadze, translated by Aking.21:

Tariel: Yes, in Georgian, with German subtitles.
    Denis: I think they'll be streaming it in German over there. Let's see.
    Gia: Well, the journalist asks questions in German, and a translator interprets.
    Denis: If needed, Vazha can translate for me.
   Tariel: Absolutely. Besides, there's nothing complex to translate. The generator is
    visible. There's a hydraulic pump and a hydraulic motor that turns the generator. There's
    a small electronic part; you start it with a 9v battery. It simply amplifies the power
    because we had to make the motor work with a hydraulic pump and it produces a
    kilowatt of power. A kilowatt motor is in place and that's how it turns the hydraulic pump.
    Nowadays, getting a kilowatt is quite simple.
    Denis: So, what role does the hydraulic pump play? I don't understand it at all.
    Tariel: We are spinning the hydraulic pump.
    Gia: And the hydraulic pump spins a 20 kilowatt generator.
    Tariel: Does that make sense?
    Denis: ok 1 Kilowatt motor...
    Tariel: A huge pressure is created. There is a hydraulic pump of a different design, not a
    standard one. This is also our own design. And so it's turning a 20 kilowatt generator.
    Gia: Three-phase one
    Tariel: a big three-phase generator...
    Denis: Well, how does a one kilowatt motor spin a 20 kWt generator?
    Gia: Yeah, it does.
    Tariel: A motor with a power of 1 kilowatt turns like crazy... We even managed to get
    like...
    Gia: 1500 rpm.
    Tariel: It held 1500 rpm.

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I can see no evidence of the use of hydraulic motors in the video you referenced. I have captured a screenshot of the two makeshift Plummer blocks below. There's a complete absence of hydraulic lines either.

Pay attention to these support bearings. They're visible not from the inside, as in your photo, but from the outside. Why are there bolts there if it's a bearing?

Here's a drawing of a hydraulic motor with a similar design:




But these aren't exactly the same as Kapanadze's; these are large and powerful hydraulic rotators for excavators.

Read the quote above: Kapanadze writes that his hydraulic pump is of an original design, not a mass-produced one.

[Grumage]

Dear Sergh.
Im sorry but all I see is an elaborate hoax.... Most importantly when the load is applied there is zero reaction to the apparatus in either speed or sound. This suggests the load was being fed from an alternate source.

Another indication of the use of a VFD was the noticeable ramp down to stop of the drive motor during the demonstration.
Is this what you were referring to about the side elevation of the makeshift Plummer blocks below?

Regards Graham.

[Verpies]

Another indication of the use of a VFD was the noticeable ramp down to stop of the drive motor during the demonstration.

I have not noticed this ramp-down. All I noticed was a very long spin-down of the shaft as it was free-wheeling (e.g.: after this time).
At what time have you noticed it ?

P.S.
Please post proper links to a particular video time index so users do not have to ff/seek the video manually and guess which video the index refers to.