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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #309 on: 2023-07-03, 12:26:30 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-03, 11:19:38
Do you mean you are modulating the kacher?

If so, how do you do that?

Itsu
Geo showed you how to do that in one of his last vids but thats not rthe real problem.


Err Itsu  why do you want to modulate it, your already transmitting it of into
space re right hand rule !

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #310 on: 2023-07-03, 15:57:06 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-03, 11:19:38
Do you mean you are modulating the kacher?

If so, how do you do that?

Itsu

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #277 on: 2023-07-01, 20:06:29 »

At this point your Corona will cease from being blue to become whitish.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #311 on: 2023-07-03, 16:13:10 »


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Err do you mean not bothered by any chance ?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #312 on: 2023-07-03, 16:34:48 »


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Max,

So, your Grenade 1/4 wave length resonance is 1310kHz.
You have a continuously running Kacher / antenna at 1310kHz
The push-pull / Inductor LC circuit is running at 26.2kHz resonance, thus the Grenade also gets pulsed at 26.2kHz
26.2kHz is 1/50 of 1310, so the 50th subharmonic is stimulating the Grenade to run at its 1/4 wave resonance.

These combined signals seem to create that AM modulated HF signal (1310kHz carrier with a 26.2kHz modulation).
The modulation depth is not 100%, but roughly 25%.

Are your Kacher power supply and the Push-pull power supply one and the same?
If so, there might be some interaction / feedback between the Push-pull circuit back to the kacher circuit and/or vice versa.
Do you hear any hissing sounds and / or Radio Moscow (squealing sound) which points to some form of oscillations?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #313 on: 2023-07-03, 19:29:00 »


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So in that case you have just told me no one in this group is doing any thing by the book
or your just doing your own thing great! don't let me stop you carry on. >:-)
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #314 on: 2023-07-03, 20:51:50 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-03, 16:34:48
Max,

So, your Grenade 1/4 wave length resonance is 1310kHz.
You have a continuously running Kacher / antenna at 1310kHz
The push-pull / Inductor LC circuit is running at 26.2kHz resonance, thus the Grenade also gets pulsed at 26.2kHz
26.2kHz is 1/50 of 1310, so the 50th subharmonic is stimulating the Grenade to run at its 1/4 wave resonance.

These combined signals seem to create that AM modulated HF signal (1310kHz carrier with a 26.2kHz modulation).
The modulation depth is not 100%, but roughly 25%.

Are your Kacher power supply and the Push-pull power supply one and the same?
If so, there might be some interaction / feedback between the Push-pull circuit back to the kacher circuit and/or vice versa.
Do you hear any hissing sounds and / or Radio Moscow (squealing sound) which points to some form of oscillations?

Itsu

Itsu,
This build is a simple kacher. Top Ruslan 2014 modified. No interruption.
I have also showed that of controlled Tesla.
In simple kacher power source for both are same except you're putting mediator yoke coil which in this case ,no.
There must be hissing sound otherwise no interaction.

The modulation can not be 100% because it's a continuous running system.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #315 on: 2023-07-03, 21:00:09 »


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Itsu.
Note.
I didn't bother about ¼wave res. I just worked with were my wound grenade resonated, please.
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #316 on: 2023-07-03, 21:34:35 »


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There is no information about this device you shall look for that has not already been given especially in OU.com and here. only know what you're looking for.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #317 on: 2023-07-03, 23:21:59 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-03, 21:34:35
There is no information about this device you shall look for that has not already been given especially in OU.com and here. only know what you're looking for.

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Yes it's all in the two threads some where but it's putting it all about assembling the
jigsaw together correct part in the correct hole unlike some have.

Have you noticed Itsu and Nick ignore me  that's because some people get things wrong and things get messed up:D :D :D say no more   :-X

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #318 on: 2023-07-04, 00:49:52 »


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   Well, you could say that I try to ignore you AG,  but you are pretty persistent with your distractions, up to now.
  I am allowing Max his say. He seams to think that he has this down. Even though I don't buy any of it.
   Each to his own...

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #319 on: 2023-07-04, 01:24:31 »


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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023-07-03, 23:21:59
Yes it's all in the two threads some where but it's putting it all about assembling the
jigsaw together correct part in the correct hole unlike some have.

Have you noticed Itsu and Nick ignore me  that's because some people get things wrong and things get messed up:D :D :D say no more   :-X

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AG,

I don't think so, probably for now what you're saying don't catch their interest. Nickz had been mute till you just mentioned him. Probably keeping cool for a while. Let sleeping dog lie.

We are making progress.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #320 on: 2023-07-04, 02:55:37 »


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   Perhaps you'd like to show us, that "progress". Ánd how your simple kacher or controlable TC, can produce a higher output than unity.
I would be most interested. As you seam to state things as if you know.   Said the sleeping dog...
 
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #321 on: 2023-07-04, 09:41:50 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-03, 20:51:50
Itsu,
This build is a simple kacher. Top Ruslan 2014 modified. No interruption.
I have also showed that of controlled Tesla.
In simple kacher power source for both are same except you're putting mediator yoke coil which in this case ,no.
There must be hissing sound otherwise no interaction.

The modulation can not be 100% because it's a continuous running system.

Maxolous.



Max,

it seems we have a slight language barrier here, as some of your answers are confusing to me.

I asked: "Are your Kacher power supply and the Push-pull power supply one and the same?"

your answer: "In simple kacher power source for both are same except you're putting mediator yoke coil which in this case ,no."

The first part makes me think that's a yes, but the rest confuses me like the "no", what do you mean by that?  Also, what is a mediator yoke?

I asked: "Do you hear any hissing sounds and / or Radio Moscow (squealing sound)"

your answer: "There must be hissing sound otherwise no interaction."

Does that mean you do have this hissing sound, or that you like to have that?

I think any hissing sounds and / or squealing sound points to oscillations in the circuits, which is good when building an oscillator, but IMO bad news if you are building an amplifier which we basically do.


But thanks anyway, i will put up my push-pull yoke to see how that interacts with the rest.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #322 on: 2023-07-04, 10:31:50 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 09:41:50


Max,

it seems we have a slight language barrier here, as some of your answers are confusing to me.

I asked: "Are your Kacher power supply and the Push-pull power supply one and the same?"

your answer: "In simple kacher power source for both are same except you're putting mediator yoke coil which in this case ,no."

The first part makes me think that's a yes, but the rest confuses me like the "no", what do you mean by that?  Also, what is a mediator yoke?

I asked: "Do you hear any hissing sounds and / or Radio Moscow (squealing sound)"

your answer: "There must be hissing sound otherwise no interaction."

Does that mean you do have this hissing sound, or that you like to have that?

I think any hissing sounds and / or squealing sound points to oscillations in the circuits, which is good when building an oscillator, but IMO bad news if you are building an amplifier which we basically do.


But thanks anyway, i will put up my push-pull yoke to see how that interacts with the rest.

Itsu

Itsu

The answer is yes.
Am using the same power supply.

The second question is yes, but not too strong hissing at least you will hear sound of the ionisation of the immediate surrounding around the antenna.

Mediator yoke is a yoke coil put between supply and kacher . Some believe it enables interaction between pp and kacher quickly.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #323 on: 2023-07-04, 12:17:10 »


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Thanks Max,

so the hissing is more ionization, no oscillations.

This mediator yoke looks to me more like a choke preventing the HF from the kacher to get back into the PS.
Why some believe it enables interaction between pp and kacher quickly, seems far-fetched IMO.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #324 on: 2023-07-04, 14:44:10 »


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    Max:
    Sorry for asking about your progress. I should have known better. Won't happen again.
   But, I had thought that you mentioned "progress". Must be another slight language barrier, here.

   All:
   I have been keeping quiet lately to give you all a chance to build up something, hopefully that works.
 And also to openly discuss what does not work, as well.
  As I believe that I already know what will happen when you try to match up those frequencies as you are doing.
And you are already finding that out yourselves, which takes some time.
But, unless you build a complete device, you will not know what works, or what doesn't.
  And that also takes some time, money, and a bit of work. For those interested, if any.
 
  Max: You are continuing to insult the moderator here, me. I can do without your insults. Last warning...

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #325 on: 2023-07-04, 14:51:27 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 12:17:10
Thanks Max,

so the hissing is more ionization, no oscillations.

This mediator yoke looks to me more like a choke preventing the HF from the kacher to get back into the PS.
Why some believe it enables interaction between pp and kacher quickly, seems far-fetched IMO.

Itsu

Itsu,
Let me show you something you can try.  If you wound your yoke coil for mediator like this and connect it like in the pictogram, you would see that the voltage going to your kacher will be 50-110Volts when you switch on your  "PP".   At the time you connect your kacher by placing it input wire on the one going to kacher, you would see a dramatic increase in grenade output .  Am still investigating it.

Find attached , image of connection.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #326 on: 2023-07-04, 15:04:58 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 12:17:10
Thanks Max,

so the hissing is more ionization, no oscillations.



Itsu

Yes please, when so intense it breaks into Corona. That's why you see the blueish flame around Slayer Tesla coil.

Maxolous
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #327 on: 2023-07-04, 15:21:53 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 12:17:10
This mediator yoke looks to me more like a choke preventing the HF from the kacher to get back into the PS.
Does it have the same low-pass filtering function as this ?

Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 12:17:10
Why some believe it enables interaction between pp and kacher quickly, seems far-fetched IMO.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #328 on: 2023-07-04, 15:31:05 »


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #329 on: 2023-07-04, 15:32:18 »


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #330 on: 2023-07-04, 16:17:09 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-07-04, 14:51:27
Itsu,
Let me show you something you can try.  If you wound your yoke coil for mediator like this and connect it like in the pictogram, you would see that the voltage going to your kacher will be 50-110Volts when you switch on your  "PP".   At the time you connect your kacher by placing it input wire on the one going to kacher, you would see a dramatic increase in grenade output .  Am still investigating it.

Find attached , image of connection.

Maxolous

Hmmm, interesting,  i can see why the 24VDC could be transformed up to 50-110VDC when the Push-Pull device is causing the 24VDC to be fluctuating that it becomes a pulsed DC / AC, but that would mean that the 50-110V is not DC anymore, but also pulsed DC / AC.

Feeding the Kacher with this 50-110V pulsed DC (26.2kHz) could explain the AM modulated like signal (26.2kHz) you showed earlier, right?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #331 on: 2023-07-04, 16:20:24 »


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Quote from: verpies on 2023-07-04, 15:21:53
Does it have the same low-pass filtering function as this ?

I dont know, i need to build one and measure it to see how it behaves.

What i can see is that it could act as a transformer, supplying pulsed DC to feed the kacher which would produce this AM modulated kacher signal shown by Max here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4471.msg105536#msg105536

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #332 on: 2023-07-04, 16:25:37 »


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Max,

new confusion, as this not the simple kacher you were talking about up till now, this is as you mention a controlled kacher / Tesla, (not modulated, but interrupted IMO).

Which one (simple or controlled) do you use?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #333 on: 2023-07-04, 17:14:16 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-07-04, 16:25:37
Max,

new confusion, as this not the simple kacher you were talking about up till now, this is as you mention a controlled kacher / Tesla, (not modulated, but interrupted IMO).

Which one (simple or controlled) do you use?

Itsu

Itsu,
Am just showing  this, if you say interruption it's still okay. It's from a controlled Tesla.

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