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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #483 on: 2023-08-13, 01:41:21 »


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Can someone please elucidate the shared attributes between these 3 devices?
(What are the fundamental similarities?)

And why does it seem that one cannot be said to be "better" than the others?
Or, is one of the three devices indeed more worthy of R&D than the others? If so why?
Thoughts appreciated.

EDIT thanks for the explanation Maxolous - much appreciated.
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #484 on: 2023-08-13, 08:18:06 »


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Can someone please elucidate the shared attributes between these 3 devices?
(What are the fundamental similarities?)

Akula, Ruslan and Stalker's device if that is what you're referring to, have the same mode of operation and of course they're same device not actually attributed to one person as above because they all replicated it also.

The original owner of this device  is Nikola Tesla of blessed memory. Other foremost persons who built a working devices on this principles are Donald L Smith and Teriel KAPANADZE both of blessed memory.

The principle is based on "resonance and synchronization" through this, power can be harvested from the ambient or Aether. This had been proven many times that , there is excess energy in resonance and back EMF when the ambient is disturbed.

In this case we are creating voltage levels, thus ; the high voltage and the low voltage. Impinging the low voltage side with the high one. Both are already in resonance and in proportion to each others in term of frequencies ,then synced.

Quote from: Excelsior on 2023-08-13, 01:41:21

And why does it seem that one cannot be said to be "better" than the others?

The three named above are doing the same thing, one, namely Ruslan seems to have edge over the others on the media because he built a 4kVA unit of it and more current. Mind you he copied from Akula.

Quote from: Excelsior on 2023-08-13, 01:41:21

Or, is one of the three devices indeed more worthy of R&D than the others? If so why?
Thoughts appreciated

No, we only have enthusiast  like; Itsu, NickZ, Aliengrey, Geofusion, Maxolous, Apecore,Vasik042,Verpies just to mention few who are willing to take up the challenge and to build  which ever version of this device on their work bence, also seeing it as real because there is sufficient evidence of the existence of this device as an over unity device , hence a " self runner"

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #485 on: 2023-08-13, 09:42:03 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-08-12, 17:01:42
From the foregoing, it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull than push-pull be determined by Tesla. If Tesla pace is determined by Push-pull , then, you will have interruption of Tesla signal.

Itsu did well by locking the phase perfectly, but not interruption. Hence Tesla runs continually which might not be so effective in this regard.

AG posted one such cct. that can do just that ,

Find attached below:

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Max,

thanks for your insights, but when you say "it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull than push-pull be determined by Tesla", i think that in that example circuit you referred to, there is no relation / sync between the Tesla and the Push-pull.

The Tesla is synced/locked to itself IMO and this locked / synced signal is interrupted (inhibited) via pin 5 in the rhythm of the push-pull signal which has no relation to the kacher frequency.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #486 on: 2023-08-13, 10:01:18 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-13, 09:42:03

Max,

thanks for your insights, but when you say "it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull than push-pull be determined by Tesla", i think that in that example circuit you referred to, there is no relation / sync between the Tesla and the Push-pull.

The Tesla is synced/locked to itself IMO and this locked / synced signal is interrupted (inhibited) via pin 5 in the rhythm of the push-pull signal which has no relation to the kacher frequency.

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Itsu I note your comments but this site is for learning that means we are after results does your work actually  produce results please  EXPLAIN. as your circuit contradicts your last testament!  sorry if offends

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #487 on: 2023-08-13, 11:19:30 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-13, 09:42:03

Max,

thanks for your insights, but when you say "it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull than push-pull be determined by Tesla", i think that in that example circuit you referred to, there is no relation / sync between the Tesla and the Push-pull.

The Tesla is synced/locked to itself IMO and this locked / synced signal is interrupted (inhibited) via pin 5 in the rhythm of the push-pull signal which has no relation to the kacher frequency.

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Itsu,

By your statement above, you equally mean that the Tesla has repetition rate as push-pull? That's modulation.

It will be beautiful if it has anyhow.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #488 on: 2023-08-13, 12:13:37 »


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Hi Max,

yes, that is what i see when i interpret that diagram.

The kacher is locked on its frequency by the CD4046 (within reason) and is being interrupted (i do not call it modulation) by the inhibit function on the CD4046 chip via the R8 / S1 path coming from the push-pull transistors which is free running via probably a TL494 or whatever, so does not have any relation with the kacher signal.

Please correct me when i am wrong.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #489 on: 2023-08-13, 16:48:58 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-13, 12:13:37
Hi Max,

yes, that is what i see when i interpret that diagram.

The kacher is locked on its frequency by the CD4046 (within reason) and is being interrupted (i do not call it modulation) by the inhibit function on the CD4046 chip via the R8 / S1 path coming from the push-pull transistors which is free running via probably a TL494 or whatever, so does not have any relation with the kacher signal.

Please correct me when i am wrong.

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Itsu,
There must be a moment of pulsation of Tesla signal. If that be the case , you've killed it. Bravo!!!

Let's borrow the word of an old friend; " show us what it can do"
 ;DPlease, don't mind me.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #490 on: 2023-08-13, 19:44:55 »


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Hi Guys.
I’ve just looked into the moderation system and it says that I locked the topic around the 18th of last month! I did not do this deliberately however it might have been an accident? Sorry for any inconvenience caused. The topic is now unlocked….

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #491 on: 2023-08-13, 21:03:47 »


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Quote from: Maxolous on 2023-08-13, 16:48:58
Itsu,
There must be a moment of pulsation of Tesla signal. If that be the case , you've killed it. Bravo!!!

Let's borrow the word of an old friend; " show us what it can do"
 ;DPlease, don't mind me.

Maxolous



Max,

i quickly build that circuit on a bread board, and the result when using my kacher / antenna is as can be seen here:




The yellow trace is the yellow probe laying nearby the antenna, picking up the kacher / antenna signal at 1253kHz

The blue trace is the output of my FG set at 1kHz square wave 10V DC at 20% duty cycle.


The FG is connected to the pin 5 (inhibit) of the CD4046 via the 1K resistor.

As can be seen is the kacher / antenna signal interrupted at the moment the pin 5 gets high.

I do not call this a modulated signal, but rather an interrupted signal and this repetition rate (1kHz now) can be randomly chosen by the FG (or TL494), so has no relationship with the kacher signal.


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #492 on: 2023-08-13, 21:56:16 »


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Earlier on on the bottom left i had forward and backward nothing else

Now i have reply. and can edit my posts, strange.

Just noticed Grahams Grump post, well there you go, lets hope that solves that one.
   
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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-13, 21:03:47


Max,

i quickly build that circuit on a bread board, and the result when using my kacher / antenna is as can be seen here:




The yellow trace is the yellow probe laying nearby the antenna, picking up the kacher / antenna signal at 1253kHz

The blue trace is the output of my FG set at 1kHz square wave 10V DC at 20% duty cycle.


The FG is connected to the pin 5 (inhibit) of the CD4046 via the 1K resistor.

As can be seen is the kacher / antenna signal interrupted at the moment the pin 5 gets high.

I do not call this a modulated signal, but rather an interrupted signal and this repetition rate (1kHz now) can be randomly chosen by the FG (or TL494), so has no relationship with the kacher signal.


Regards Itsu
I'm getting confused here, so witch circuit is it your using here ? i can't be the one i have shown as it doesn't show any lock
can you show the start of the rise and the fall of both channels using your 1khz as lock sync other wise its meaningless.
if we comunicate we can get some where.
         
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #494 on: 2023-08-13, 23:48:02 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-13, 21:03:47


Max,

i quickly build that circuit on a bread board, and the result when using my kacher / antenna is as can be seen here:




The yellow trace is the yellow probe laying nearby the antenna, picking up the kacher / antenna signal at 1253kHz

The blue trace is the output of my FG set at 1kHz square wave 10V DC at 20% duty cycle.


The FG is connected to the pin 5 (inhibit) of the CD4046 via the 1K resistor.

As can be seen is the kacher / antenna signal interrupted at the moment the pin 5 gets high.

I do not call this a modulated signal, but rather an interrupted signal and this repetition rate (1kHz now) can be randomly chosen by the FG (or TL494), so has no relationship with the kacher signal.


Regards Itsu


Itsu,
Now I see, but something is missing.
Your kacher signal runs on the-off time of your low frequency of 1KHZ, it should be on the on-time. Since the duty cycle is about 20% it should be in that period.

 Anyway, that's a small issue to you , but very important.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #495 on: 2023-08-14, 09:14:04 »


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Come on guys,  don't blame me that below circuit is not behaving like you would like it, you guys came up with this diagram and this is how it acts.

The CD4046 datasheet says on page 1:

A logic 0 on the INHIBIT (pin 5) input "enables" the VCO and the source follower, while a logic 1 "turns off" both to minimize stand-by power consumption.


And thats exactly how this circuit acts and thats what you get if you introduce unrelated diagrams to the thread without knowing what it does.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #496 on: 2023-08-14, 10:41:31 »


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Quote from: Itsu on 2023-08-14, 09:14:04

Come on guys,  don't blame me that below circuit is not behaving like you would like it, you guys came up with this diagram and this is how it acts.

The CD4046 datasheet says on page 1:

A logic 0 on the INHIBIT (pin 5) input "enables" the VCO and the source follower, while a logic 1 "turns off" both to minimize stand-by power consumption.


And thats exactly how this circuit acts and thats what you get if you introduce unrelated diagrams to the thread without knowing what it does.

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Nice idea  :) but that's just to drive the katcher in his circuit if your going to drive the 494 pin 5 inhibit you need some other stuff to mach
the logic to drive it correctly have a look at Enjoykin's katcher driver he used the enable pin in one of his circuits but it didn't work i think it was on Colors thread but it din't work it didn't lock.
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #497 on: 2023-08-14, 14:51:05 »


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   Itsu:
    Why are you wanting to lock the frequency? Does your Kacher signal vary and needs that elaborate circuit to control that? As each of those components is hogging up a bit of the input power.
   As I had mentioned, my Kacher is tuned to its best output, using a current transformer,  and does not vary in frequency.

  I am not blaming any body, just curious about the reason for the circuit.

   Perhaps Verpies can try to post now, to see if he can. After Grum unlocked this thread.
Same with Ape, and anyone else.
   Thanks Grum for looking into this. Most everyone was getting on my case about me locking them out.

   NickZ

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  The reason for placing the pulse in the PP Off time is due to there being less resistance at that point, for the interference circuit to do it's job. This was mentioned by Stalker, as you know, or remember him showing that scope shot that I posted a few times. No ones replication has shown that pulse. Which to me does look like what we need to have.

 So, first I think we need to look for the proper interaction, which so far has not been found nor shown working, at all.
And, which without the yoke circuits and the rest of the device will be impossible to find. As the yoke is the heart of this set up. And it is what creates the strong pulses that excite the surrounding ambient, and allow extra energy back into the coils of the device, and out to the load. Without that interaction, no extra energy will be obtained. No matter how many electrons you try to "shake loose" using extreme additive high voltage pulses.
Like AG would say, "sorry to break your bubble".  Or, something like that...

 Even though many people have tried to show how these devices work, few understand what it takes. And none will actually show it self running, at this time. So it's up to us, now...

 
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #498 on: 2023-08-14, 15:23:52 »


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No problem Nick.  O0

I rarely use the PC these days, I much prefer my iPad for day to day browsing. I just tried an experiment, it seems I can lock and unlock the thread without any text coming up to ask why I’m performing this action.

Obviously I must have inadvertently touched the “ Lock topic “ icon without even knowing it at the time. My sincerest apologies for any disruption caused.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #499 on: 2023-08-14, 15:34:35 »


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    Thanks for the explanation. We forgive you...
However,  it let me know what people actually think of ME.   WOW...
And, I thank you for that, as well.

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #500 on: 2023-08-14, 18:55:38 »
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My idea is to test proper coils interactions rather then proper frequency, I believe it does not matter what frequency you use , the same said Kapanadze. The magic is in coils interactions. Kapanadze said he had power coil which is not directly coupled to others yet placed in correct position to attract energy from ambient. I believe this coil is shorted.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #501 on: 2023-08-14, 19:30:10 »


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  Yet, Kapanadze may have had little to do with actually designing and building himself any of the shown devices.
Or actually knew how and why they worked. He knew and showed just how to turn them on... That was it, especially in his last demo video which only someone trained in electronic circuits could have built. But,  Not Tariel...
   So, that knowledge is still alive and well. Hidden in secrecy still.
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #502 on: 2023-08-14, 19:59:18 »


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   Itsu:
    Why are you wanting to lock the frequency? Does your Kacher signal vary and needs that elaborate circuit to control that? As each of those components is hogging up a bit of the input power.
   As I had mentioned, my Kacher is tuned to its best output, using a current transformer,  and does not vary in frequency.

  I am not blaming any body, just curious about the reason for the circuit.

   Perhaps Verpies can try to post now, to see if he can. After Grum unlocked this thread.
Same with Ape, and anyone else.
   Thanks Grum for looking into this. Most everyone was getting on my case about me locking them out.

   NickZ

   Edit:

  The reason for placing the pulse in the PP Off time is due to there being less resistance at that point, for the interference circuit to do it's job. This was mentioned by Stalker, as you know, or remember him showing that scope shot that I posted a few times. No ones replication has shown that pulse. Which to me does look like what we need to have.

 So, first I think we need to look for the proper interaction, which so far has not been found nor shown working, at all.
And, which without the yoke circuits and the rest of the device will be impossible to find. As the yoke is the heart of this set up. And it is what creates the strong pulses that excite the surrounding ambient, and allow extra energy back into the coils of the device, and out to the load. Without that interaction, no extra energy will be obtained. No matter how many electrons you try to "shake loose" using extreme additive high voltage pulses.
Like AG would say, "sorry to break your bubble".  Or, something like that...

 Even though many people have tried to show how these devices work, few understand what it takes. And none will actually show it self running, at this time. So it's up to us, now...

 


Nick,

it is not me that is wanting to lock the frequency of the kacher.

If you read the sequence of posts above, you will see that Max was mentioning that: "it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull than push-pull be determined by Tesla" (the latter being my 50:1 / PLL setup).

For his "it is better for Tesla pace be determined by Push-pull", he pointed to a diagram of a circuit doing just that, but that, in my opinion, only locked the kacher in frequency, but without any relationship to the push-pull frequency.

I eventually had to build that circuit to prove to him how it behaved.


Anyway, i will see if i can continue with my 50:1 divider / PLL to sync the push-pull to see if i can create the modulated kacher signal Max was showing earlier in this thread.
With the kacher and push-pull being locked to a 50:1 relationship it should be easier to do.


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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #503 on: 2023-08-15, 00:00:18 »


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   Thank you Itsu:
    For hanging in there. Hopefully we can get in touch with some one who knows the ropes.
   I am waiting for you guys to get on the same page, so we can compare notes, and all.
  Max said, show us how well it works, or something like that...
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #504 on: 2023-08-15, 09:03:39 »


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Egorek circuit Katcher circuit driver.

Here is that 4046 wave form when used correctly as in that circuit.
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #505 on: 2023-08-15, 17:46:17 »


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  How can you tell if the driver is used "correctly"?
  Does he show it self running, while connected to a scope? Or the results at the output?

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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #506 on: 2023-08-15, 18:30:58 »


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  How can you tell if the driver is used "correctly"?
  Does he show it self running, while connected to a scope? Or the results at the output?

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the scope shot can be seen that the data window is in phase with the data window width timing width slot
and the VFO katcher drive frequency.
You might notice the null part makes use of one of the 494 phase output FET drivers unlike the PLL Itsu is showing.
In witch his 494 is run in a slave mode and phase correction might well be rewired due to internal device delays.

That's what it does and it's doing it in that scope shot.

Re asking Igorik for demonstration he is in the spirit world, Or ask Vasik041 for details or a pointer to the original
   
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Re: Akula, Ruslan, Stalker, device discussion and replications. « Reply #507 on: 2023-08-15, 20:17:43 »


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   "That's what it does", does not answer the question. Nor that's what it did, at one time.
What does that do at the output, once disconnecting the supply feed? Or are scope shots enough to know if that circuit allows " correctly" for self running. Scope shots are great,  but don't tell the whole story. And we've seen a lot of scope shots, but not a single self runner.

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