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Author Topic: Serbian Professor Savic Sonic water heater replication COP 12  (Read 294042 times)
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I read thru your link
Striking!! There has been talk of other replicators using Potassium at 5% in solution

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Dumped,  did you see all that Neutrino talk in the professors post?

No.  Could you provide a link?


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Here is the link
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8999-peter-daysh-davey-water-heater-query-17.html#post162527

Once we get a member to translate things should get clearer [we have someone who offered Slovenia has PM'd him]

Thanks for your Contributions I will be sharing some of them
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The precision for the gap is still too high in my opinion, the average builder will not be able to set the gap to within 1/100th of a millimeter.


A 1/2 litre aluminium beer can with its top end cut off is extremely flexible, there is no rigidity to it at all. Even if you somehow manage to cut the top section off without distorting its shape, I'm willing to bet that, with the set up shown, it will flex enough just from the heating action and movement of the water to near-instantly short out. 

I look forward to hearing Chets blow by blow report - if he ever finds that elusive beer can that is! ;)
   
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A 1/2 litre aluminium beer can with its top end cut off is extremely flexible, there is no rigidity to it at all.
Yes. It won't ring. It won't take a tuning. It isn't a bell at all.

This idea is interesting but it seems so far from Davey that it needs a new name.

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Frequency equals matter...


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You wanna bet? Well, maybe not at the frequencies he is using.
But it could be cracked.

Yes. It won't ring. It won't take a tuning. It isn't a bell at all.

This idea is interesting but it seems so far from Davey that it needs a new name.

Paul-R


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Professor Savic's explanation.
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Sonic boiler catches the energy of the impact between neutrinos (Teslione), and crystal lattice of the metal. Traveling of the neutrinos is identical as the traveling of the sound wave. Particle pushes another particle. That’s why you have to tune the sonic boiler same as you tuning the musical instrument. Sonic boiler absorbs electrical component of one wave on ¼ wave length, ¾ of energy level of standing wave it uses(I didn’t understand this my self). As long as you have smaller diameter, and thicker hemisphere, you will have more output Energy. Excitation energy of input current, have to be the same as resonant sound frequency of the phase electrode of boiler, and harmonic frequency of zero electrode. (Phase electrode and zero electrode are connections 220v/50Hz, nothing more. In your case 110V/60Hz)
So Sonic boiler works as antenna for neutrinos in resonance.
   
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Professor Savic's explanation.
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Sonic boiler catches the energy of the impact between neutrinos (Teslione)...

Unless I am mistaken, neutrinos will travel through mountains happily enough.
Detectors get installed at the bottom of deep mine shafts etc etc. for reasons
that I do not really understand, (possibly to detect neutrinos that have travelled
through the earth from hte other side ???)

This explanation seems nonsense.
   
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I have no idea [of course]

But I was told once by a very bright man
Never give a man a stick to beat you with,I just handed you a pretty big stick.

BE NICE [didn't say you weren't ]
Thats all ,
I have all the info I need to build ,I am collecting the bits and pieces, and we shall See if Neutrino's ,or Photons
Or Flavorshavers produce some Accelerated heat anomolies, We shall see....................

Thank you for being here I value your opinions!
[besides I'm getting to meet lots of cool fellahs over at energetic]

Chet
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Professor Savic says it plays with the waves
Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ
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New tolerance specs for 220 volt neutrino cannon      2.52

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8999-peter-daysh-davey-water-heater-query-18.html#post162870

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New tolerance specs for 220 volt neutrino cannon...
no harm in trying. but I am sure that coupling 60hz mains with tuning to 300hz is a waste of
time.

Also, I believe the voltage to be irrelevant. The safest way is to use a variac and bring it up from 0 volt.

And the COP should depend on the extent to which the tuning is accurate.
   
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Unless I am mistaken, neutrinos will travel through mountains happily enough.
Detectors get installed at the bottom of deep mine shafts etc etc. for reasons
that I do not really understand, (possibly to detect neutrinos that have travelled
through the earth from hte other side ???)

This explanation seems nonsense.

No, you're not mistaken. In fact neutrinos apparently pass through pretty well everything, including ourselves and indeed whole planets without any interaction.  Scientists try to detect these neutrinos down very deep mines just so that other subatomic particles that continually bombard the Earth's surface will not interfere with the equipment . So, while the Earth's mass will prevent most subatomic particles travelling very far underground, the neutrino is unaffected.

Which of course begs the question: Why neutrinos professor Savic?

Since scientists are having trouble even detecting these subatomic particles, how can the professor possibly know that neutrinos are responsible for anything here? And why would they pass straight through the Earth, and yet - for some reason - interact in a beer can submerged in water?

I'd love to know how the professor has detected neutrinos, when scientists have spent years down deep mines hoping to detect a neutrino reacting, and have nothing to show for it yet?  

It was all a bit dodgy to start with, but it's starting to get a little bizarre now. Let's be honest here, this neutrino explanation is total and utter nonsense.  Chet, does Savic by any chance reside in a home with nice soft cushiony walls and wear a white jacket that is tied up behind his back... oh, and does he think he's a Vulcan?  :)
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Frequency equals matter...


Buy me a drink
ZITTERBEWEGUNG


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Götterdämmerung:   :'(

The Serb dude:   :D

The neutrinos:   :-\

The hunger for knowledge:

   
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OH MH,
I'm savin you a nice slice of "Humble Pie".
Sooner or later .......................?
Its just a matter of time!!



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Pie in the sky or humble pie or pie in the face!  lol

Just don't get electrocuted chasing after neutrinos.  My pet theory about the Serb guy being nuts is advanced by the neutrinos business.  It's very possible that you are giving him "action" just like a gambling addict has to go to the casino to get some "action" to satiate his or her need.  He gets off on seeing people jumping through hoops for him, language barrier or no language barrier.
   
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From the Boss [Thane]

"Until one is committed, there is hesitancy,the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning all acts of initiative and creation, there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never have otherwise occurred. A whole... stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance which no man can have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now." ~ Goethe
   
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It all sounds fine and dandy but the reality is still what is going on on the bench and what your measuring instruments are telling you and presuming that you know how to use them and what their limitations are.  I am going to hazard a guess that after a few years someone from the University of Ottawa Electrical Engineering Department finally spoke to Thane to see what he was up to in his borrowed (?) lab space.  I would guess that Thane didn't last ten minutes with this person and he was finally qualified and got his ass booted out of there.  Reading between the lines of your prose Chet, I can tell you that Thane is the exact opposite of what you perceive him to be.  He's got nothing and it's all a farce so you are "holding the bag" again.  This is based on a serious round of qualification of a series of his clips from about a year ago that was done here.  If Thane wants to sound like John Searl that's not surprising because they are in the same class.  Another "giant" falls.  He also gets some "crazy" points because about a month ago he made a posting where he basically made his "Rolodex" of business contacts public.  WTF, no sane person in business would do that, it's nuts!  I am going to assume that all of the fancy quotes from NASA and car manufacturers, etc, are from marketing people with no technical background.  It's the only way I can rationalize that after looking at some of his presentation clips.  He is overwhelmingly unimpressive.
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... I can tell you that Thane is the exact opposite of what you perceive him to be.  He's got nothing and it's all a farce so you are "holding the bag" again.  This is based on a serious round of qualification of a series of his clips from about a year ago that was done here.  If Thane wants to sound like John Searl that's not surprising because they are in the same class.  Another "giant" falls.... He is overwhelmingly unimpressive.

Got my attention, MH -- can you kindly provide a link to this "serious round" of discussion regarding Thane's claims -- about a year ago?
  I would like to see what was said at the time, and compare with what is happening now.
   
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Yes that would be nice to see!

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It's turtles all the way down
Here is the link to discussion of Thane's BITT on this site:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=261.0


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How would i go about changing the frequency of the output from a generator coil...

I think that if the power is generated by a regular generator, then change the rotational
speed of it.

Also, if the power comes from a battery, it could be fed into a crude power amplifier
which takes a signal from the actual vibration of the bells. (It might be necessary to
start it off by hitting the bell with a spanner, a fairly hazardous thing to do.
This idea was proposed by me at the UK Free Energy conference in 2007, and I am
not aware of anyone having actually done it. (It is a good way of using bells which
are successfully tuned to eachother, but not to 50hz, 60hz or any of their octaves,
and if there is no AC mains around).


   

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It seems that "Octave" is a term which is
specific to music.

In electricity and electronics it is the same
meaning as "Harmonic" or "Overtone."

(First Overtone = Second Harmonic)

Just wondering...


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I don't think we should second-guess conversations that we suppose may have happened in a university lab somewhere when we weren't present, it's worse than gossip because at least gossip is based on real events ...

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How true!!

MH ,
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You guys second-guess the information that you are given every day because it's either cryptic or incomplete or makes no sense.  So there is a touch of irony there.  If you are curious about why he left the University of Ottawa then just ask him.  Let me put it like this:  If I was in charge of their labs and spoke to him about what he was doing for 10 minutes I would give him one week to clear out.

No comments from either of you about the thread that analyzes his "technology" in detail?  Meanwhile, Thane has been "doing his thing" and has been dropping big names for years.  Are you aware of any entity like NASA or General Motors that is licensing his "technology?"  Knowing how he acts, do you think he would be letting his peers on the forums know if he made a deal?  He sure as hell would but there is nothing.  Does he have a device that demonstrates over unity?  The answer is no.

In my opinion Thane is just a glorified "speed up under load" or "delayed Lenz' law" dude.  Let me me summarize that whole deal:  For a constant voltage source if your average current consumption goes up that means your impedance goes down and your power consumption increases.  The power goes to three possible places; 1) resistive losses in the wires, 2) friction losses in the bearings, and 3) friction losses with the air.  So a "speed up effect" simply means that more of the available power goes to friction losses with the air.  You have a power pie that is cut up into three slices, and you are tweaking the way the way the pie is cut up when you change the configuration so that the "friction losses with the air" slice increases in size.  A larger "friction loss with the air" slice equates to a higher RPM and the bearing friction loss slice and/or the electrical resistive loss slice(s) decrease is size.

And that's it!  When you see a speed up under load or if you see a speed up when you short a coil you are doing nothing more than changing how you slice up the power dissipation pie.  It's a zillion miles away from free energy and it's just a giant futile exercise in "spinning your wheels."  There are no cumulative effects to be had by "adding more coils" to eventually achieve over unity, it's just a fantasy because you are not stopping and taking a second look at the problem and distilling it down to its basic fundamentals.  That's the real deal on the 2000+ postings about this "discovery."

Meanwhile Chet, you and the Davey crowd are in denial of a few basic facts that have been mentioned a few times already:  The moment your tin can is immersed in water the resonant frequency drops dramatically and the water damps out any resonance of the new system much more quickly as compared to the air.  Even if you did manage to get some kind of resonance phenomenon going, it means nothing, and the only thing that will be going on is resistive heating.  Your measurements should clearly show this.

MileHigh
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